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I'm British and Piers Morgan is Damn Wrong
American Thinker ^ | 01/10/2013 | Adam Shaw

Posted on 01/11/2013 7:11:36 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Many Americans, since the Sandy Hook massacre, have been disgusted by Piers Morgan's snooty condescension toward their great country, and his blatant disregard for the Second Amendment. This culminated in his recent interview with talk show host Alex Jones, that ultimately backfired when his fiery guest wiped the floor with him.

Since the shooting, Morgan has strutted around as the flag waver for gun control, pointing to his native Great Britain as the ultimate example of what these dumb, gun-toting Yanks should try and imitate. Not only did he use Britain constantly in his scathing editorial against American gun laws, but also repeatedly pointed Alex Jones towards the supposed low gun murder rate in the United Kingdom.

As a fellow Englishman living in America, there is no reason I should not be on Morgan's side. I have spent most of my life in Britain -- the supposed gun-free paradise. While I respect the American Constitution I have no particular reason to be persuaded of an argument just because there is an amendment allowing it; and coming from a country where even the police are unarmed, it can seem excessive to English eyes when Americans claim that military assault rifles like the AR-15 are for self defense.

And yet I can say with confidence that Piers is being either intellectually dishonest, or downright ignorant, if he believes that the USA should imitate the diabolical disaster that has been British gun control.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: banglist; britain; guncontrol; guns; piersmorgan; secondamendment; thedailymail; twitbrit; unitedkingdom

1 posted on 01/11/2013 7:11:41 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Is Piers Morgan now able to sit after that spanking that Jones gave him?


2 posted on 01/11/2013 7:15:54 AM PST by ILS21R (Everything is a conspiracy. No? You're living in one.)
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To: SeekAndFind

IMPORTANT POINTS TO NOTE IN COMPARING CRIME IN THE US AND BRITAIN:

* The UK does not merely prevent its citizens from obtaining military guns, but any gun whatsoever (with very few exceptions), including the handguns with which Piers implies he has no quarrel.

* After the Dunblane massacre in Scotland in 1996, in which 16 schoolchildren and a teacher were killed (and 15 injured) by a man wielding only handguns, Britain’s already strict gun laws were enlarged to include them. The newspaper leading the call for this ban was the Daily Mirror — the editor? A certain Piers Morgan.

* Britain has relatively few gun DEATHS (true). But Piers Morgan fails to take account of GUN CRIME in the UK, only gun deaths. If he did, his argument would lose steam.

Since the gun ban in 1998, the total number of FIREARM OFFENCES in England and Wales has risen by 89%, and in some areas of the country has leapt by as much as 500%. Gang culture once never seen in the UK is now rife — disproving the notion that banning guns will weed out gang culture or the use of guns.

* Additionally, according to a study by UN affiliated European Institute for Crime Prevention and Control last year, it was found that Britain has higher robbery, assault, and burglary rates than America. When criminals know you are unlikely to have a gun, what is to stop them from robbing you, beating you up, or simply breaking into your house?

* Britain was not only the burglary and assault capital of Europe, it also had higher than average rates of car theft, robbery and sex offences, and came second only to Ireland in the overall crime league.

* In 2010, Derrick Bird went on a rampage around Cumbria with a shotgun and a rifle, killing 12 and injuring 11. His casual shooting-fest lasted nearly four hours as he drove around vast areas of land completely unopposed in this gun-free country. Thanks to British leftists like Piers Morgan, Bird knew that there was unlikely to be anyone armed to stop him. Only when armed police were dispatched did he commit suicide. Shocked socialists could only babble about how this proved that the country with some of the strictest gun laws in the world needed more gun control.


3 posted on 01/11/2013 7:17:01 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
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4 posted on 01/11/2013 7:17:47 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: ILS21R

RE: Is Piers Morgan now able to sit after that spanking that Jones gave him?

I have to disagree with you here. Alex Jones came off as a SCREAMER and Piers Morgan successfully outed him PUBLICLY as a conspiracy theorist who believed the the US government conspired to bring the NY Twin Towers down. Jones did little for gun rights advocates in that segment.

What was needed was someone who could calmly lay down the facts rationally and calmly, and IT CAN BE DONE. The facts are on the side of second amendment advocates.

Alex Jones is NOT the man to do it.


5 posted on 01/11/2013 7:20:20 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

>>I have to disagree with you here.<<

We’ll have to agree to disagree then. No hard feelings.


6 posted on 01/11/2013 7:25:41 AM PST by ILS21R (Everything is a conspiracy. No? You're living in one.)
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To: SeekAndFind; Sentinal

Stick to your guns, no matter what!

by Matt Bracken

If they come to take them by force, they have declared war on the Constitution, and on you. At that point, war is joined, just as it was during another famous gun confiscation raid on Ap...ril 19, 1775.

If a firearm was legal in 2012, under the 2nd Amendment it’s still legal in 2013 and it will be legal forever, no matter what “executive orders” ...are handed down or “laws” are passed by a panicking Congress. Those who say otherwise are liars and traitors and oath breakers and domestic enemies.

Every survivor of every genocide says the same thing: when they come to take your guns, shoot them. Make them take them, and their system of repression will be overwhelmed, because they don’t have millions of jack-booted thugs ready to do armed battles all over the country.

If you give up your arms, you are placing your entire trust in the permanent future benevolence of the U.S. government. This trust is invariably fatal: ask the American Indians.

History is clear, with numerous examples. The German gun registration laws, and subsequent confiscation of “military weapons” (then, Mauser rifles, Luger pistols etc) were enacted in the 1920s Weimar Republic, years before Hitler came to power. The gun registration lists and military weapon prohibitions were enacted in the name of “public safety.” Note that phrase well.

I’m sure today’s liberal utopians would agree 100% that they were “common sense and reasonable” gun control laws. Then Hitler came along, and used the registration list to first disarm the Jews, and then force them into starving, overcrowded ghettos, and finally into gas chambers. The Nazi genocide of the Jews was enabled by their “common sense” gun registration lists.

Millions of Polish Jews were rounded up by German military police battallions. The German military police only needed a 1-10 ratio to their victims. A mere 100 German military police, (4-Fs in their forties, bottom of the barrel conscripts, not rabid SS), would round up and murder a town of a thousand Jews over the course of one day. Force them to gather, and sit tightly packed on town plazas or sporting fields under the watch of only a handful of armed guards, then march groups of twenty or thirty at gunpoint into the woods for point-blank execution. A 1-10 ratio means the military police were not worried at all about meeting resistance. The victims were all previously disarmed.

During the Armenian Genocide from 1915-23, two million Christian Turks were exterminated by being marched at gun point into burning deserts with no food or water. The Turkish gun registration laws were enacted in 1911, in the name of “public safety.” The genocide began a few years later, after the Armenians’ firearms were confiscated.

Entire divisions of Russian troops hiked home from WW1 in 1917/18, carrying their rifles and swords and other sidearms. Very early on, Lenin decreed that “public safety” required they all be turned in, under penalty of death. And so the Russian war veterans were disarmed—but not the Communist Party members. Then came the Soviet purges, the Great Terror, the Gulags, and tens of millions of disarmed Russians were murdered.

I’m sorry, but I do NOT trust that our federal government won’t turn as mean as the old USSR at some point in the future, perhaps after an economic crash or other major crisis. The Obama regime already perceives that we “Bitter Clingers” are reactionary forces not only standing in the way of social progress and liberal utopia, we are actively blocking it. That makes us pure Evil, since their plan for socialist utopia is pure Good. And that means they will ultimately come to feel totally justified in seeking a “final solution to the Bitter Clinger problem.”

If they are scapegoating us as national villains now, what will they do when they have no reason to fear us whatsoever? Did the Turks, Soviets or Nazis treat their despised minorities better, or worse, after disarming them? Think!

And once a despot’s enemies (that’s us) are disarmed and helpless...the temptation grows to simply do away with them. Obama mentor and biographer, the Weather Underground bomber Bill Ayers, stated that they would need to murder 10% of the American population to achieve their socialist utopa. Thirty million bitter clingers. Guess who that is?

Don’t relearn this bitter lesson the hard way. Learn from history’s many examples. As it was for the Turkish Armenians, German Jews, Russian Kulaks, Chinese, Ugandans, Guatemalens, Cambodians, Cubans, Rwandans, and on and on, history’s lesson is crystal clear:

Stick to your guns!

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could be sure ahead of time that you’d be cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur — what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!”

~~Alexander SolzhenitsynSee More


7 posted on 01/11/2013 7:26:12 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SeekAndFind
CNN wanted Alex Jones on for the purpose of smearing all gun owners as bloviating ranters and 9/11 Truthers.
8 posted on 01/11/2013 7:28:03 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Alex Jones is NOT the man to do it.”

No, Alex Jones is not, he is a clown and a useful fool for the leftists.


9 posted on 01/11/2013 7:29:41 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: SeekAndFind

I betcha Piers Morgan is for giving Argentina the “ windswept Falklands with their peasant sheep herder population.”

It’s the elitists’ cowardly way of dealing with his own country’s interests.

Piers, go preach to your communist choir.


10 posted on 01/11/2013 7:39:13 AM PST by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: SeekAndFind

Pierced Moron seriously needs ratings. This is how he bumped himself up a viewer or two.

It won’t last long, he’ll be back in his ratings spider hole in a month or two.

Flash in the pan?


11 posted on 01/11/2013 7:40:14 AM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

“Flash in the pan?”

Eventually, it’ll turn to a kick in the pants.


12 posted on 01/11/2013 7:46:54 AM PST by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: DTogo
"CNN wanted Alex Jones on for the purpose of smearing all gun owners as bloviating ranters and 9/11 Truthers."

I had never seen the man before, but IMO he appeared to be somewhat...unhinged....
On the flipside, nothing, nothing, is worse than some a$$hat coming here, from over there, of all places,
and telling us we are doing it wrong.
Logic would dictate that if that were the case, then piers would want to be back with his peers.
13 posted on 01/11/2013 7:47:45 AM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Then you would have loved the Ben Shapiro beat down of Morgan just a few days ago.


14 posted on 01/11/2013 8:10:54 AM PST by deweyfrank
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To: 45semi

What Piers Morgan will never understand is that one of the roots of the American Revolution was the gun control the Redcoats attempted to levy upon the colonists around 1775. “The British are coming, the British are coming...” No hard feelings towards the friends we still have over there, and we appreciate the role you play as the canaries in our coal mine!


15 posted on 01/11/2013 8:19:16 AM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: 45semi

What Piers Morgan will never understand is that one of the roots of the American Revolution was the gun control the Redcoats attempted to levy upon the colonists around 1775. “The British are coming, the British are coming...” No hard feelings towards the friends we still have over there, and we appreciate the role you play as the canaries in our coal mine!


16 posted on 01/11/2013 8:19:40 AM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: SeekAndFind

Jones looked like a lunatic on that show. When the gun grabbers want to show just how dangerous gun owners are, they can point to Jones as the new poster boy. He needs to have a better strategy before he starts shouting. What an attention grabbing idiot.


17 posted on 01/11/2013 8:34:43 AM PST by zagger
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To: SeekAndFind

Alex Jones is NOT the man to do it.


Agreed. Alex Jones had great responses in his first two sentences...................then he would drive off the cliff with the New World Order,Bilderburg,Contrail crap.


18 posted on 01/11/2013 9:06:15 AM PST by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: melancholy

“Flash in the pan” is specific to flintlock rifles.

You pull the trigger, you get a big flash in the primer pan, lots of smoke, some noise, but that’s all. No ignition of the main charge, a dud all the way around.

Its over in a second.

Pierced moron glommed onto this gunzz control crap for no reason other than ratings for his pathetic show.

It’ll be over in a flash.


19 posted on 01/11/2013 10:22:38 AM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: Travis McGee

No need to go outside the US to show the political use of gun control. (Sorry about the DU link, but they’ve got it right)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x123410


20 posted on 01/11/2013 10:29:27 AM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: cornfedcowboy; SeekAndFind

>Alex Jones is NOT the man to do it.<

But Ben Shapiro sends Morgan to the woodshed handily:

http://www.caintv.com/piers-morgan-demeans-constitut


21 posted on 01/11/2013 10:57:01 AM PST by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: SeekAndFind
"a country where even the police are unarmed"

If you believe that, I've got a big shiny bridge to sell you.There are more guns than the government wants you to know, SWAT teams, special units,and arsenals at police stations. The current so-called Conservative government might admit to it if you ask. There have been too many cases when British police "on the way to, or from shooting practice" have intervened to stop criminal activities

22 posted on 01/11/2013 10:57:58 AM PST by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Darnright

Wow! Shapiro is the man. Thanks. Worth reposting the link:
http://www.caintv.com/piers-morgan-demeans-constitut


23 posted on 01/11/2013 12:13:27 PM PST by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: cornfedcowboy

SOME OBSERVATIONS REGARDING BEN SHAPIRO, PIERS MORGAN AND MORGAN’s PREVIOUS GUEST — ALEX JONES....

Shapiro states correctly that the Second Amendment is written specifically for the American people to be well armed. They are to form a militia in times of crisis and will be used to protect the people of these united States. Folks this is about your property rights. It is also to have the effect of a counterweight; a deterrent to a government that becomes tyrannical.

It is not to be infringed.

Piers Morgan weaves a familiar script where he insisted on Shapiro to answer his question. If you noticed, the trap is set when Morgan doesn’t allow the guest to answer. He will intentionally interrupt the guest with another question or allegation. He will continue stacking the questions and allegations.

Indeed, Piers Morgan’s strategy is to paint a tapestry of the guest being “insensitive and absurd”.

In legal circles, such tactics would be a form of “leading the witness”, which would not be allowed in a court of law. Granted, the Piers Morgan show is not a court of law. Nevertheless, in any public debate there are rules of engagement. Each side is allowed to respond without constant interruption. Piers Morgan has an annoying habit of not letting his guest finish his point.

Alex Jones was adept in recognizing that the Piers Morgan Show is not a stage for a “fair” debate. Jones did not allow Piers Morgan to weave a web of questions and allegations. Each time Alex Jones fired back with a library of published statistics and facts.

In this regard, Alex Jones took Piers Morgan to the wood shed.

Unfortunately, Jones came off as a ranting, raving loon and his insistence that the US government had something to do with the destruction of the NY twin towers did him no favors.

It is also important noting that Piers Morgan and other anti-gun pundits ask repeatedly:

“Why does anyone need a military assault rifle like that of a AR-15?”

How many times was this question answered by the guests in those interviews?

Ben Shapiro answered it TWICE. It is to have the effect of a counterweight; a deterrent to a government that becomes tyrannical. Our government might not be tyrannical like Stalin or the Nazis now, but there is no guarantee that it won’t slowly evolve that way. THAT is why we need a means of protecting ourselves and DETERRING Tyranny.

Shapiro, being a Jew, effectively informs Piers of how his ancestors were affected in Europe under the Nazis because they had no means of protecting themselves.

Piers Morgan was given this answer and never responded to it.


24 posted on 01/11/2013 1:49:40 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Which of course is why Piers Morgan did it. The man is a supreme self-publicist, as anyone in his line of work has to be. He made Alex Jones look silly, and by association anyone who believes in his interpretation of the second amendment as well.

Suckered again.

25 posted on 01/12/2013 1:26:39 PM PST by Vanders9
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To: SeekAndFind
IMPORTANT POINTS TO NOTE IN COMPARING CRIME IN THE US AND BRITAIN:

You left out the most important one. Don't bother doing it. It is immaterial. All these arguments comparing gun crime and gun deaths between the US and the UK are completely bogus.

In the first place you can argue the stats any way you like. For example, the number of firearm offences has risen by 89% in the UK, but against that you could say it is from a very small base. Anyway, you might argue that the rise may just simply be because the police are enforcing the laws more strictly. In my experience if the British police see you outside your own home with a firearm they will stop you and confiscate it as a matter of course, no matter what you are doing with it.

But the real reason is that the two nations attitudes to firearms are completely different. It is a cultural thing, and because of that it is just simply invalid to compare them on this issue, and Piers is being disingenous doing it.

These big massacres at schools in the US, or Derick Bird blasting people in my home county of Cumbria - they all have one thing in common. They are carried out by people who have basically "lost" it. They go on these shooting sprees because they have had a brain seizure moment and they are not in their right minds. Ergo, it doesn't matter whether the population has total access to firearms or very restricted access, because the problem is not the guns themselves. What matters is the willingness of people to pull triggers, and that's a cultural and (in the case of these mass murderers) a mental health issue.

There are people in America now screaming for massive government control of access to firearms (which is illegal as far as I can make out). There are others (especially on these boards) who think thats wrong and that gun ownership should be retained and even extended - that teachers should be armed in the classroom and so on. If you want to do that, fine, but IMO I don't think either policy would have any effect whatsoever on the incidence of gun deaths, or on the possibility of one of these "massacre of the innocents" happening again.

One last thing. Please do NOT sign the petition sending Piers back to Britain. We do NOT want him back. He is a git :)

26 posted on 01/12/2013 1:55:29 PM PST by Vanders9
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