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REMINDER: The Second Amendment Is Not About Hunting
American Thinker ^ | 01/11/2013 | Michael Geer

Posted on 01/11/2013 7:25:25 AM PST by SeekAndFind

You know it. I know it. The unspoken truth is the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America is about citizens resisting and overcoming tyranny.

A common law and natural law right considered for 200+ years as an inalienable right. Speaking plainly, the 2nd is our bulwark against government which becomes despotic.

Armed free citizens are the final bulwark against tyranny by local, state or federal government.

When the Declaration, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights committed our people to founding a new Nation guns were natural and necessary. For putting food on the table and, wait for it, personal defense against hostilities. Armed citizens have a long history of taking action to correct despotic governments. Feudal economies faded away due in no small part to enough peasants acquiring arms. And the will to use them.

Federalist 46. James Madison, known as the author of most of the Bill of Rights said of arms and the common man ...

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(excerpt) The only refuge left for those who prophesy the downfall of the State governments is the visionary supposition that the federal government may previously accumulate a military force for the projects of ambition.

The reasonings contained in these papers must have been employed to little purpose indeed, if it could be necessary now to disprove the reality of this danger.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: banglist; donttreadonme; guncontrol; guns; hunting; secondamendment; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus

1 posted on 01/11/2013 7:25:35 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm almost ready to publish my blog announcing my rifle got lost in that rascally boating accident. Most of the town I live in reads it including the Selectmen.
2 posted on 01/11/2013 7:32:57 AM PST by TheRhinelander
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To: SeekAndFind

Yesterday, I joined the NRA. I need some advice as what to do next. Buy a gun? Go to an NRA meeting and find out what type of gun is right for me?

I’m so proud I finally took this small step.


3 posted on 01/11/2013 7:33:13 AM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Glad he points this out because if you listen to Dems talk they always suggest that the 2nd amendment is just for hunters, and they wouldnt say this over and over if people didnt believe them.


4 posted on 01/11/2013 7:37:51 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to O is NO principle!)
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To: SeekAndFind
The 2nd amendment supports what Jefferson wrote in the Declaration. It supports the inalienable right to Life (self-defense), and the inalienable right to Liberty (protection from tyranny). Without those two, there can be no inalienable right to pursue Happiness.

Remember that the Preamble to the Constitution says that We the People established the Constitution to secure the "Blessings of Liberty" for ourselves and our Posterity. The capitalized Liberty refers to the inalienable right to Liberty from the Declaration, and the capitalized Blessings refers to the rights as being endowed by the Creator, which is what makes them inalienable.

-PJ

5 posted on 01/11/2013 7:46:06 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: miss marmelstein
"...I’m so proud I finally took this small step......"

As you should be, MM.

I suggest you find a good local gun range, ask for a qualified instructor who will teach you how to handle a firearm properly, give you NRA certification, and select a weapon that's just right for you.

6 posted on 01/11/2013 7:48:06 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: TheRhinelander

The unspoken truth is the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America is about citizens resisting and overcoming tyranny.

The other unspoken truth is that this is why Obama wants to take our guns away.He wants a peaceful conversion to change the United States from a Free Country to a Communist country ruled by Sharia law.


7 posted on 01/11/2013 7:48:06 AM PST by Venturer
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To: sickoflibs

RE: if you listen to Dems talk they always suggest that the 2nd amendment is just for hunters, and they wouldnt say this over and over if people didnt believe them.

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CASE IN POINT — NY GOVERNOR ANDREW CUOMO IN HIS STATE OF THE STATE SPEECH TWO DAYS AGO.

“The tragic events of just the last few weeks in Newtown, Conn., and West Webster, N.Y., have indelibly taught us guns can cut down small children, firefighters and policemen in a moment,” Cuomo said in his third State of the State address on Wednesday.

“No one hunts with an assault rifle. No one needs 10 bullets to kill a deer,” he said. “End the madness now!”

Cuomo called for tougher state bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines of ammunition in a bolstering of the state’s gun control laws, already some of the most restrictive in the nation.


8 posted on 01/11/2013 7:54:36 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind; Noumenon; Travis McGee

It most certainly is about hunting, just not for game.

It is about hunting down those sent to enslave any man, woman, or child. It is about hunting down those that send armed men out for the purpose of enslavement to their will.

Make no mistake about this. Defense is the first priority. But understand what that really entails. The appetite for evil is insatiable, it knows no limits, and is totally without mercy.

Fending the wolves off once, twice, three times does not eliminate the threat of wolves. They learn, they find weaker victims and create more wolves until they feel numerous and strong enough to resume their attack upon you and yours. The only solution is to seek them out and eliminate them. Surrender is not a viable option for those that seek to live free. It has been this way since time immemorial. All the trappings of civilization and mores are swept away and it always comes down to the same thing.

Always

God help us and have mercy upon us.


9 posted on 01/11/2013 7:56:17 AM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: SeekAndFind

Quoting the constitution at this point in our history seems quite laughable anymore!


10 posted on 01/11/2013 7:57:07 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: SeekAndFind
George Santayana -- "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."


11 posted on 01/11/2013 8:19:16 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I heard some clips of his speech (including the quote you use here) and Cuomo sounded like a madman in his ranting - it was awful.


12 posted on 01/11/2013 8:20:44 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: miss marmelstein
Yesterday, I joined the NRA. I need some advice as what to do next. Buy a gun? Go to an NRA meeting and find out what type of gun is right for me?

First comes training: safety and then shooting technique. I'd inquire through the NRA or local shooting sports association to see what is available in your area. It may be a formal course of instruction for a fee or you might be put in touch with a qualified person who is willing to instruct. Many people will go out of their way to help a beginner.

As for the type of gun, that depends on its intended purpose and your individual needs and preferences. It's best to get a variety of opinions and test-shoot a number of guns before making your decision.

13 posted on 01/11/2013 8:55:21 AM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: miss marmelstein

Training your mind is more important in some ways than training your body. You must cultivate the mindset necessary to employ deadly force without qualms or hesitation. You can always wrestle with your conscience later.

Suggest finding a martial arts school that trains for the warrior mindset. The bonus is that not only will you expand the envelope of options for the use of force, you’ll learn the restraint and presence of mind that will assist you in avoiding conflict in the first place.


14 posted on 01/11/2013 8:58:03 AM PST by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Stage one of the 2A is the right to bear arms, the other part most people don’t understand or are uneducated about.

And thats the part of organizing your local militia leader, a training program and the storage of materials needed to restore the proper function of the government.

Just having a fully decked out overloaded bling AR isn’t sufficient to overthrow tyranny, it MUST be used.


15 posted on 01/11/2013 9:06:52 AM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: miss marmelstein

I’m told the GOA (Gun Owners of America) is a better organization than the NRA. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but the NRA is better known.


16 posted on 01/11/2013 9:45:20 AM PST by crosshairs (They are only assault weapons in the hands of tyrannical governments and criminals. Ban both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

May there always be open season on tyrants and no bag limits.


17 posted on 01/11/2013 9:46:42 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Covenantor

I like the way you think, my FRiend.


18 posted on 01/11/2013 9:47:18 AM PST by crosshairs (They are only assault weapons in the hands of tyrannical governments and criminals. Ban both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What politicians in D.C. are leading the defense of the Second Amendment? The overwhelming silence from the GOP as the DemoQuacks demonize gunowners and contort the Second Amendment is amazing.


19 posted on 01/11/2013 10:37:52 AM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: miss marmelstein

Go to an indoor range that rents guns. Start shooting what you think you want and you’ll discover what you actually want.


20 posted on 01/11/2013 10:49:54 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: miss marmelstein

Go to an indoor range that rents guns. Start shooting what you think you want and you’ll discover what you actually want.


21 posted on 01/11/2013 10:50:12 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SeekAndFind

That statement would make just as much sense and be as relevant had he said, “No one purple monkey dishwasher. No one super karate death car.”


22 posted on 01/11/2013 10:54:03 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: miss marmelstein
You might want to contact a local gun club. AR-15.com has good hometown forums for each state. If you ask for help there, you'd probably get some good tips. They probably have members who are NRA instructors.

I'd be thinking of both a handgun and a long gun for the home. An AR-15 is best in that regard, but prices/availability right now make it out of reach for most right now.

23 posted on 01/11/2013 10:56:46 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: SeekAndFind

The 2nd Amendment is not *exclusively* about hunting.

Various wordings of the Second Amendment were tried during its development. The end result *purposefully* leaves out any enumeration of reasons why an individual has the right to keep and bear Arms. Any reason *why* an individual may or may not keep and bear Arms, was left to the states and the people thereof, to settle among themselves.

The only enumeration in the Second Amendment focuses on what to do about a group of men under Arms - what is to happen when individuals who bear military grade Arms are in a group, and they *are* capable of exercising martial power. What *then,* was to become of that power?

The answer was, that both the states and the federal government would rely upon *the group* being formally mustered, well-regulated, well trained to Arms, well discplined, and answerable to civilian authority.

Both the states and the federal government sought unity of function and preparedness of the militia of each state. The state militiae should be “well trained to Arms” and be capable of, and mindful of, lawfully exercising martial power and respecting lawful civilian authority.

In the old days up to around WW-I times and for a while thereafter, there was a tradition of local militia drilling on the common, the town green, or the county fairgrounds. It gave people an opportunity to remain somewhat familiar with military duty; it helped to keep them from becoming too rusty. It demonstrated the proper practices and discipline *for all to see.*

It is a shame that most communities and counties and states got out of that practice.

All the uses of weapons, firearm or not, for non-military purposes, were left to be decided by the states and their people.

Again, there would be no condition within the Second Amendment, by which you do, or do not, have the right to keep and bear Arms; because, the Founding Fathers correctly anticipated that any such enumerated condition might be used as grounds for an individual to either be forced to bear Arms or be stripped of their Arms.


24 posted on 01/11/2013 11:17:32 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: miss marmelstein

Yesterday, I joined the NRA.

Congrats! I would suggest you contact a local gun club about taking courses. I took one that was all for women only and it was a blast!


25 posted on 01/11/2013 11:57:00 AM PST by Wisconsinlady (The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting-but protection from a tyrannical govt)
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To: Iron Munro

With the history of the Jews, I do not understand how and why most American Jews are liberal and would vote to disarm themselves.


26 posted on 01/11/2013 12:01:30 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting-but protection from a tyrannical govt)
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To: crosshairs
I like the way you think, my FRiend.

I can fully understand that given your FR-name.

Using the late FReeper harpseal's tag, "see you at the next Yorktown"

27 posted on 01/11/2013 12:40:50 PM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Wisconsinlady
With the history of the Jews, I do not understand how and why most American Jews are liberal and would vote to disarm themselves.

Hitler had the Jews.

Obama has white Americans.


28 posted on 01/11/2013 12:41:53 PM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: crosshairs
Join both - I belong to Second Amendment Foundation as well. Best hope for being heard is to have more people out there expounding your view. I'm deeply upset that more politicians of both parties have not come out in support of the Second Amendment. As I see it, liberals, emboldened by their ability to limit what we eat and in what quantities (and now seeking to limit access to pain pills), are now seeking to take away the general public’s ability to oppose tyranny with force. Seems to me the press might want to look to history to see what happens when the public is disarmed.
29 posted on 01/11/2013 1:10:38 PM PST by Boomer One
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To: Trailerpark Badass
An AR-15 is best in that regard, but prices/availability right now make it out of reach for most...

If they actually attempt to confiscate our guns, you'll be able to pick one up for free. Every tyrant sent will have one that will become available when we the people go Minuteman on them. When the British sent those 800 soldiers to Lexington, they ended up donating their weapons to our fight for independence.

30 posted on 01/11/2013 3:30:08 PM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: Iron Munro

Replace “Jew” with “Tea Party Member”, replace “Fuhrer” with “President Obama”, and change the date and place names, and that decree is good to go.


31 posted on 01/11/2013 3:38:04 PM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: SeekAndFind
It's timer to mock the "Gun Control" Zombies!
"Gun Control" is a firm grip, steady breathing, accurate aim (developed by lots of practice), and a slow trigger pull.


The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
We need to learn from the Swiss and implement their "gun control measures" here in the United States right now, today!
The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
Let's adopt THEIR LAWS !

Remember: Read Second Amendment: It’s Not About Hunting, IT'S ABOUT TYRANNY .
32 posted on 01/11/2013 5:08:54 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

If you look at the inspired wording the founding fathers utilized, it is clear that the inspiration came from an “authority” higher than any that could be instituted among men at the time...

So, in a very simplistic analysis of an unalienable right to keep and bear arms, it seems to me that God had intended for thisto be the one thing that citizens of this country could do, and nothing, repeat NOTHING can infringe upon that right...

A virtuous nation, one that has a citizenry and electorate that recognizes that the founding documents need a population that fundamentally understands the vituous nature of our beginnings, it’s foundation in a faith that God IS the ultimate backup...

This country has almost totally lost that virtue, and untill it is recovered to a point where we (the people) stop voting in others that DO NOT recognize this fundamental concept, and apply that virtuous template (one that truely understands the difference between right and wrong), this country will continue to decline in its greatness, and our destruction is near at hand, both morally and economically...

Look into the Saul Alinski #27, IIRC that proves their intent to secularize the nations Judeo-Christian faith and turn our religious institutions into these “non-Denominational” performance centers that entertain the audiences, rather than worship the true audience which is God himself...Let me clarify...

The congregation IS NOT there to be entertained by this idea of this “new” non-denominational presentations on our Sundays...

If a traditional worship service is not to your liking for you or your family, and you are bored by the idea of it to be something you do not wish to attend because of this idea that worship services need to be entertaining in some way, shape or form...You need to take a long hard look at yourself and determine the real focus of your faith in God, and determine if that is the direction you wish to go...

I am by no means a bible thumper, by any stretch of the imagination, I am a sinner, and always look to do better everyday...Our country is failing to remain focused on the real problems this citizenry faces, and pure evil is, adn has been infiltrating every aspect of our lives for decades...

They are winning, and it is apparent that the beginning of the endgame is to remove our ability to resist the tyrrany which IS to follow, incrfementally if need be, that is their committment to “fundamentally change this country” (President Obama) into a secular facade’ of what it once was...

Sure, most of us have guns for the correct purposes they are intended to be utilized for, if need be...

When folks say that it may be time to bury them to keep them from the hands of tyrrany, or lose them in these massive boating accidents, maybe it might be better to be very public about our keeping them CLOSE AT HAND, to illustrate our resolve and intent to take the fight right back at those that wish to remove our ability to resist their agenda...

Just my opinion...


33 posted on 01/11/2013 6:05:37 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: stevie_d_64; All

Case in point...

Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins—or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and
did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom—Lucifer.

—SAUL ALINSKY

(still looking for the #27, if anyone finds it, feel free to post it here)


34 posted on 01/11/2013 6:18:37 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: miss marmelstein

You should quit the NRA and join the GOA.


35 posted on 01/11/2013 6:32:26 PM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: SeekAndFind; NFHale; GOPsterinMA; BillyBoy; PhilCollins

The left invariably and constantly mentions hunting whenever they talk about it.


36 posted on 01/11/2013 6:34:32 PM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: SeekAndFind
No, indeed, it is not about hunting. James Madison, its author, understood it as a bulwark against tyranny.

Law Review on the Second, linked from this article. Well worth a read.

37 posted on 01/11/2013 8:22:55 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: SeekAndFind
Either GMTA, or I am glad to see the Federalist Papers have been rediscovered. As noted here before, the passages thereof pretty much clear up any notions about the purpose of the 2nd Amendment, and for that reason, any of the nonsense about what 'type' of arms should or should not be covered.

Any arm the military has should be fair game, as personal economic considerations will limit.

38 posted on 01/11/2013 11:56:04 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: SeekAndFind

hunting as a rationale.

It’s always been ridiculous. As if the Founders inserted the right to bear arms between freedom of speech/press/assembly and protection from quartering of troops and unlawful search and seizure because they were focused on the right to hunt. Yeah, it was about hunting...right.

Absolutely laughable on its face.


39 posted on 01/12/2013 1:38:04 AM PST by quesney (e)
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To: Victor

Thanks to you and everyone else for the support and suggestions! I will definitely check out a local gun range - there is one several miles from my house. I’ll take it from there.

Should I send a telegram to Obama & Gov. Cuomo thanking them for the encouragement they’ve given me to take the first step to gun ownership?!


40 posted on 01/12/2013 5:56:01 AM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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