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Obama Muzzling Military Chaplains
http://rightmarch.com ^ | January 9, 2012 | George Neumayr

Posted on 01/11/2013 7:34:26 AM PST by NKP_Vet

One of the items on Obama’s second term agenda is to root out traditionally Christian chaplains from the military. He sees them as bigots unworthy of conscience protections. Like Chick-fil-A, they don’t uphold Obama’s “values.”

Obama’s mouthpieces in the military have already blurted this out. In 2010, Admiral Michael Mullen told a Christian chaplain who opposed the repeal of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy that “If you cannot get in line, resign your commission.” That same year Lieutenant General Thomas P. Bostick, the Army’s deputy chief of staff in charge of personnel, said military members who dissent from Obama’s gay rights agenda should “get out.”

“Unfortunately, we have a minority of service members who are still racists and bigoted and you will never be able to get rid of all of them,” he said, as reported by the Washington Times. “But these people opposing this new policy will need to get with the program, and if they can’t, they need to get out.”

Pentagon officials go through the motions of saying that military chaplains still enjoy religious freedom. But this claim grows ever more lawyerly and narrow. When Defense Department Counsel Jeh C. Johnson testified before Congress about the implications of the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy’s collapse for religious freedom, he said that it would not affect what a chaplain said in “the religious context.” In other words, chaplains would be punished for objecting to Obama’s gay rights agenda anywhere outside of a pulpit.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bhodod; bhohomosexualagenda; chaplains; christians; cicobama; dontaskdonttell; homosexualagenda; sourcetitlenoturl; usmilitary
Pray for our military with the Muslim-in-chief calling the shots. This SOB is destroying this country, and it starts with destroying the men and women who defend this country. It's hard to believe it's really happening, and the Republicans sit idly by and watch this goon's destruction of this once great country. No one calls him out on anything. No one. Now liberal ass kissing generals are allowing him to destroy the US military. We have been taken over by a foreign power. No other way to put it.
1 posted on 01/11/2013 7:34:31 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

Wow.

Had a close friend (may he R.I.P) who was an Army Chaplain for many, many years. One of the best people I ever knew.


2 posted on 01/11/2013 7:40:02 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: NKP_Vet

Some Republicans are standing Idly by-—Others are complicit.

All Democrats are complicit.

The Supreme Court under Roberts is complicit.

This is one of the slickest Coups ever perpetrated on Free People the world has ever seen.


3 posted on 01/11/2013 7:40:02 AM PST by Venturer
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To: NKP_Vet

The American public, while I generally hold them in very low regard, has no reasonable way of knowing what the Obama minions are up to.

The problem with re-electing a communist is that he has the ability to put so many subversives in so many places that it’s impossible to know what they’re subverting next.

And the media would never, ever tell.

But then, Romney would have done the same thing.


4 posted on 01/11/2013 7:46:52 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Look for more in the military to leave.


5 posted on 01/11/2013 7:49:44 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: brownsfan

That is why more then ever, in turning to the alternate news media, such as conservative talk show hosts.


6 posted on 01/11/2013 7:51:12 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: NKP_Vet

None of this is surprising. My husband was active duty air force for 13 years before he got out. I have seen this coming for some time. Catholic and conservative Christian chaplains will have no place in the near future in the armed forces. They will be replaced by “interdenominational” faith leaders who will allow anything and say nothing.

As a society we cannot serve two masters. It’s either God or the government. Guess which one the government favors?

I have empathy for those conservative Christian military members who are trying to faithfully uphold the constitution at this time. It is not an easy road.


7 posted on 01/11/2013 7:54:32 AM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: brownsfan

In many ways, “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” has become the motto of the obama controlled media.


8 posted on 01/11/2013 7:55:09 AM PST by Sweet Hour of Prayer
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To: Biggirl

“Look for more in the military to leave.”

And then look for a draft since no sane person will enlist in this sham.

Then the draftees will be subject to the p.c. military police.

One hell of a world we live.


9 posted on 01/11/2013 8:02:30 AM PST by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: NKP_Vet


10 posted on 01/11/2013 8:09:19 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: NKP_Vet

So essentially, the US military Generals are now replacing God with the obozo. From their lips, Praise the obozo!! When the SHTF I hope those generals aren’t forgotten.


11 posted on 01/11/2013 8:10:37 AM PST by drypowder
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To: George from New England

Satan is very active in this country and has many working for him. BUT, remember GOD IS IN CHARGE, no one else. We’ve allowed this by electing people with no will to do what is right.(they call it “compromising”) They and we have allowed laws to be passed that are contrary to Americ’s Christian base.


12 posted on 01/11/2013 8:11:51 AM PST by tillacum
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To: NKP_Vet
This is a tough dilemma for these persecuted chaplains. They would like to completely disassociate with this profligate CIC and the perverse world view he promotes, but have a heart for the multitudes of service members who would be subject to unopposed homo-oppression if they left.

I almost cannot think of a harder situation to be in.

13 posted on 01/11/2013 8:14:54 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: George from New England
"And then look for a draft since no sane person will enlist in this sham."

Actually, I think it is even worse than that. He will get more and more like minded enlistees and officers who will follow orders to fire upon American citizens when he needs the iron fist to eradicate opposition to his imperial rule.

14 posted on 01/11/2013 8:15:04 AM PST by Truth29
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To: George from New England

maybe the ones drafted will be those on public assistance, so they can continue to obtain their EBT cards. No serve, not receive...

One can only hope...


15 posted on 01/11/2013 8:25:39 AM PST by sassy steel magnolia
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To: Biggirl

That is the wrong approach because then we would have lost. We need to get the homos out. The fruits are still laying low for the most part. They are realizing that most people are not all Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy about their behavior.


16 posted on 01/11/2013 8:38:37 AM PST by USAF80
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To: USAF80

The problem is that, the gays/lesbians are now a “protected” group. The sad reality is that it could very well drive these clergy out which would be a big lost indeed.


17 posted on 01/11/2013 8:43:27 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: xzins

This is why my oldest son decided not to pursue military chaplaincy. Which is a shame because he was very excited about the prospect of serving our military men and women and would have been good in that role.


18 posted on 01/11/2013 8:46:10 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: NKP_Vet

Of course, our muslim in chief hasn’t said a thing about prisoner and terrorist hassan being able to wear a beard in deference to his religious beliefs in hearings where many of our brave and honlrable servicepeople were murdered. Hating and murdering is OK with him as long as muslims do it.


19 posted on 01/11/2013 8:46:44 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: NKP_Vet
Lieutenant General Thomas P. Bostick, the Army’s deputy chief of staff in charge of personnel, said military members who dissent from Obama’s gay rights agenda should “get out.”

General Bostick

"C'mere little boy, sit with me."

20 posted on 01/11/2013 8:59:06 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Wonder if he's spent quality time with Obama and Reggie? Perhaps some high-level meetings at Man's Country?
21 posted on 01/11/2013 9:03:55 AM PST by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: longfellowsmuse

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s. Render unto 0bama all the rest.


22 posted on 01/11/2013 9:08:56 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: freeangel

I wonder how many of the outreach military Imams go along with the gay or go rules.


23 posted on 01/11/2013 9:16:53 AM PST by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: longfellowsmuse

“I have empathy for those conservative Christian military members who are trying to faithfully uphold the constitution at this time. It is not an easy road.”

No, it’s not. Fortunately, we’ve got quite an effective underground prayer and intercession ministry going in my Corps involving all ranks.

Colonel, USAFR


24 posted on 01/11/2013 9:24:04 AM PST by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Thanks for the ping, Doc. I saw it and meant to get back to it. (You have hastened the day. :>)

The author is basically correct, and I say that after a career as an Army Chaplain.

A chaplain is supposed to be a fully qualified, fully ordained minister/priest of the denomination he represents, and he is to fully represent them. That is his religious ministry.

On the other hand, there are roles a chaplain generally performs that are not specific to his religious identity. For example, in my years in service I had a couple assignments where I was uniquely used as a family counselor due to education I’d received. I was to counsel, train, and educate. Additionally, I was a trainer in terms of suicide prevention, long-distance relationships, deployment and redeployment family issues, etc.

There are other roles as a set of visitation eyes and ears for a commander that make a chaplain a resource for a commander on the morale of a unit as it relates to the chaplain’s expertise in morality, esprit, etc.

In short, not all of a chaplain’s time is used in uniquely religious pursuits.

So, given that a chaplain is to fairly represent his denomination but also be a human resource for a commander in non-religious concerns, what does that mean for Obama’s focus on freedom in religious matters.

Simply, that there won’t be freedom in non-religious matters.

For me, there’d be an easy work around. If I had to counsel a gay couple, I’d counsel them to break up. I wouldn’t have to paint a target on myself. I’d simply have to say that the “facts” point to their greater happiness apart from each other.

Really, though, the issue is being rated by a commander who can end your career with a bad rating. If he’s an old-army kind of guy, then you’re probably protected. If he’s a wingnut himself or craven toward them, then he’ll be on a crusade to root out those who believe homosexuality is deadly behavior for the poor souls who engage in it.


25 posted on 01/11/2013 9:27:21 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: jagusafr

may God Bless you and keep you. Thank you for your service.


26 posted on 01/11/2013 9:32:13 AM PST by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: tillacum

God is in charge, but He is very angry.


27 posted on 01/11/2013 9:36:53 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: NKP_Vet

Remember Obama’s remark about people clinging bitterly to guns and Bibles. Once he finishes with our guns, he will go to work on the Bibles. I’m not kidding.


28 posted on 01/11/2013 9:38:14 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Biggirl

Biggirl said “Look for more in the military to leave.”

That is what big ears barry wants so the chinese won’t feel threatened.


29 posted on 01/11/2013 10:38:20 AM PST by knife6375 (US Navy Veteran)
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To: PapaBear3625

Jist tink, fu yeahs go, cudent eben spel maj genrule, now I is 1.


30 posted on 01/11/2013 5:34:50 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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