Skip to comments.Revolution? Line in the Sand Drawn
Posted on 01/11/2013 8:05:20 AM PST by arthurus
On April 19, 1775, British troops, some 800 strong, were dispatched to Concord, Massachusetts, to arrest Sam Adams and John Hancock and to seize a cache of weapons known to be stored at Concord. When Dr. Joseph Warren sent Paul Revere to warn Pastor Jonas Clark (in whose home Adams and Hancock were staying) that the Crown's troops were on their way to arrest the two men and seize the guns at Concord, he alerted his male congregants. About 60-70 men from the Church of Lexington stood armed on Lexington Green awaiting the Red Coats.
Upon spotting the citizen militia, a British officer demanded the men throw down their arms. They refused; and the British troops immediately opened fire. Eight of the Minutemen were instantly killed. The colonists returned fire in self-defense, and the shot was fired that was heard 'round the world. By the time the troops arrived at the Concord Bridge, just a few miles away, hundreds of colonists were waiting for them with muskets in hand, and the rest, as they say, is history.
Make no mistake about it: attempted gun confiscation ignited America's War for Independence.
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However, one must be careful with drawing a direct analogy. Those guns facing capture by the Brit government were aggregated in one known spot and had to be either moved to a new location or defended with force.
On the other hand, the situation today is quite different, there are millions of guns in question and they are nicely scattered and distributed around the country in places largely unknown to the gun-grabbers. That makes for a very difficult task for the lefties.
The best strategy at this stage for 2A supporters is to use civil disobedience to prevent the gun-grabbers from knowing where they are -- any regulations which call for gun registration must be ignored by all gun-owners.
Civil disobedience is a very powerful tool - it pushed the British out of India and gained civil rights for blacks in the South. It also ended gun registration in Canada.
FROM YOUR LINK, the real meat of Baldwin’s message:
“What most people fail to realize (because they are not taught it) is that the match that ignited America’s War for Independence was not excessive taxes, or the lack of representation, or trade restrictions, or the lack of trial by jury (as important as these issues were). The match that ignited America’s War for Independence was ATTEMPTED GUN CONFISCATION.
On April 19, 1775, British troops, some 800 strong, were dispatched to Concord, Massachusetts, to arrest Sam Adams and John Hancock and to seize a cache of weapons known to be stored at Concord. When Dr. Joseph Warren sent Paul Revere to warn Pastor Jonas Clark (in whose home Adams and Hancock were staying) that the Crown’s troops were on their way to arrest the two men and seize the guns at Concord, he alerted his male congregants. About 60-70 men from the Church of Lexington stood armed on Lexington Green awaiting the Red Coats.
Upon spotting the citizen militia, a British officer demanded the men throw down their arms. They refused; and the British troops immediately opened fire. Eight of the Minutemen were instantly killed. The colonists returned fire in self-defense, and the shot was fired that was heard ‘round the world. By the time the troops arrived at the Concord Bridge, just a few miles away, hundreds of colonists were waiting for them with muskets in hand, and the rest, as they say, is history.
Make no mistake about it: attempted gun confiscation ignited America’s War for Independence. And I am convinced that Pat Buchanan is absolutely right. If the federal government attempts to confiscate the guns of the American people, “There would be a revolution in this country!”
One more observation regarding The Battle of Lexington which opened America’s War for Independence: not only was attempted gun confiscation the match that ignited the war, it was the pastor of the Church of Lexington and members of his congregation who were the Minutemen of Lexington Green. That is another fact most historians conveniently leave out of the story.
If there is one element missing from today’s liberty fight, it is the lack of participation from America’s pastors. By and large they are MIA. How many pastors today are warning their congregations of the threat against their Second Amendment liberties? Every pastor in America, regardless of denomination, should have already started proclaiming “the spirit of resistance” (Thomas Jefferson) to their church congregations; they should already be extolling the Biblical mandate to resist tyranny; they should already be warning their congregations of Barack Obama and Dianne Feinstein’s plan to disarm them.
Let me ask my church-going readers: has your pastor said one word from the pulpit regarding the impending gun ban now being drafted? Has your pastor explained the Biblical principles of lawful resistance? Has your pastor exhorted his church congregation to not surrender their firearms and to do everything in their power to demand that your senators and legislators hold the line for the Second Amendment? And my next question is if your pastor has not done any of this, why are you still attending that church?
Ladies and gentlemen, there would have been no United States of America had it not been for Rev. Jonas Clark and the other patriot-pastors of 1775 and 1776. There would have been no Lexington Green and Concord Bridge; there would have been no Bunker Hill; there would have been no Declaration of Independence; there would have been no British surrender at Yorktown. And I would dare say that if a significant percentage of pastors would stand up this Sunday and encourage their people to stand firm against this gun ban bill, the bill would never see the light of day.
The time is late, folks! We no longer have the luxury of straddling the fence or putting our heads in the sand. If your pastor refuses to take a public stand for YOUR liberties, and the liberties of YOUR CHILDREN, vote with your feet and walk out the door. Find yourself a pastor who will defend your liberties and the liberties of your childrenliberties that other pastors and patriots purchased at the cost of their very blood.”
First ... no one is taking our guns. Regulating? That’s another issue.
Second ... they didn’t have drones, tanks, etc in 1776.
We are Conservatives, not idiots.
Judge Andrew Napolitano: Revolution is Duty of the People
Very good point & right you are! And lobby, lobby, lobby our state legislatures/ governors. It’s a different world from the American Revolution & the War of Northern Aggression.
The left never thinks things through. Well, other than to connive their way into getting what they want. That’s why the (unintended) consequences are always so devastating.
Remember those from that day of long ago of 1775. Time makes one forget, should one forget and grow cold from the FIRE of the lies of their lines. Growing cold makes no difference, if one waits till they fire the first shot(s), for God shall redeem us, nothing is for naught. Timing makes all the difference if one waits till God says FIRE, just as those men did on that day of 1775!
“they didnt have drones, tanks, etc in 1776”
“a British officer demanded the men throw down their arms. They refused”
The best armed & trained troops in the world, 1776—British regulars
Molon labe, noob. Live free or die.
No one is taking our guns...yet. Regulating? Not in the “well regulated” sense of the Second Amendment, but restricted certainly. “Infringed” in the language of the Bill of Rights.
No, they didn’t have drones, tanks, etc., in 1776. Whatever real effect they would have here, today. But if you’re Skeered, that’s nothing to be ashamed of.
We are Conservatives, not pussies.
Yeah, but like during WWII, we still have "a weapon behind every blade of grass."
THIS is what they're attempting to deny us. It all goes down hill from there.
UN arms treaty could put U.S. gun owners in foreign sights, say critics
"A treaty being hammered out this month at the United Nations -- with Iran playing a key role -- could expose the records of America's gun owners to foreign governments -- and, critics warn, eventually put the Second Amendment on global trial.
Dude, with a comment like that — one of numerous ones I have seen you make — you are NO conservative. You are a mushy moderate, and I’m even a little reluctant to speculate you have a Republican cast to you.
Seriously, I highly doubt you are a conservative, so idiot may apply to you. Second, maybe no one is trying to take your guns, because I doubt you have any.
I don’t understand why you leftists believe you can fool conservatives. We are smarter than you.
At the VERY least Laz. Smells like a troll to me .......
As long as they don’t know where the guns are, they cannot carry out mass confiscations. Any regulations that require gun registration are infringements of the 2A and should be ignored. Civil disobedience at that stage will avoid the need to worry about drones, etc, or to shed great amounts of blood.
Registration will fizzle out like it did in Canada.
As a postscript, you’re right that no concrete confiscation proposals have been made—yet.
But they were grabbing guns during Katrina, and McLaughlin and others are using the word “confiscation”.
So they talk, we talk. Everyone’s just concerned.
Bam’s people are floating ‘executive order’ trial balloons almost every day.
We’re `reactionaries,’ at least that’s what they call us.
“Idiots”? No, sir.
Hillary Clinton has committed to the UN Small Arms Treaty. What Americans don't realize is that in the U.S. Constitution there is a clause which states that treaties will trump it.
The U.N. wants a list of all American gun owners. Why would they - the rouges at the United Nations - want to know who is armed and who is not???
"A weapon behind every blade of grass" saved us from being invaded during WWII. What if they knew exactly which blade of grass had a weapon behind it next time?
Revolution is started...but no blood has been drawn...yet
You obviously do not live in NY where the Governor is proposing confiscation.
Regulating? Thats another issue.
What does that mean? How much "regulation" do you find acceptable? A CT lawmaker just proposed outlawing anything EXCEPT single-shot firearms.
Second ... they didnt have drones, tanks, etc in 1776.
And your point is? That a battle would be unwinnable? Tell that to the Afghans.
We are Conservatives, not idiots.
In the late 1700's Americans were pretty evenly divided between loyalists, patriots and those that were indifferent. A time for choosing is once again about to be thrust upon us. Where will you stand?
That’s why ANY demand for those guns to be registered, whether from the State, the Feds, or the UN, must be ignored. Civil disobedience is the way to beat this thing, as it did in Canada.
Yes, but like most tools it has limitations.
No one now, nor likely in April 1775, wants to start shooting their fellow citizen. But there is only so much civil disobedience before Liberty is forcibly removed, or forcibly preserved.
I guarentee this guy or gal will get the short hook someday. With one exception only, every time I have identified a troll, they are zotted at some point.
I got troll-smell off this a-hole from his very first comments on the forum. Even his name: Rightward-ho... ? .... and a 'ho', in street parlance, is what exactly?
From his profile page: “Retired State Prosecutor of 25 years”
Therefore we must block the gun-grabbers at the registration stage, like the Canadians did. If they breech our defenses at the stage, Liberty is in real trouble.
Ummm. it starts as an outlier discussion then it moves toward the mainstream.
More than one senator has already expressed that desire and it will only really take a switchover in Congress to legislate an outright ban and when that doesn’t work, confiscation isn’t far behind.
I expect to see the govt do something with background checks that makes it impossible to get a gun at a show and they will restrict the import of ammo, guns and mags.
I expect that at every corner like when you need to renew your license, registration, or special endorsement for a CDL, there will be a checkmark if they have a red flag about that registered gun you bought 20 years prior, and until you can prove its long gone you will have to fight tooth and nail to get your credential.
And at the same time they will demand you take a mental health assessment. They know that there will be blood on the streets, so they will take the long term approach, we all need something, they will find that something and hold it hostage.
They will boil the frog, believe me.
You sound afraid and scared . . .
Lead, Follow or Get Out Of The Way !
At a minimum there is an active data base in each state of conceal carry permit holders - start there with pro-active gun owners, "Must show proof of gun registration to exercise your permit."
Or start posting ATF agents at gun ranges, "Please show proof of registration for these guns."
Buying ammo in person or on line? Must show proof of gun registration.
Ultimately getting caught exercising your 2A Right without registering your guns = fine, confiscation, imprisonment, criminal record, etc = the limitations of civil disobedience.
I just got back from walking the dog and no response. Why do you think there’s no threat of confiscation or that we would fold like lawn chairs or be crushed? I saw a similar opinion expressed here the other day.
ar·gu·ment (ärgy-mnt): A discussion in which disagreement is expressed; a debate. Or, reasoned debate tested by doubt.
I’d rather be wrong than thought unreasonable.
C’mon, you’re an old guy like me. And a lawyer.
Good arguments are productive—if we all agreed, we’d be DU, right? (Do you agree? ;-) We argue with ourselves before deciding things like what to have for lunch.
I’m not telling you anything you don’t know. All these threads are mini-arguments in this school of life known as FR.
Don’t let the greek chorus shut you down. Didja know that the Greek word `idiot’ was applied to Athenians (particularly) with no political opinions or involvement in political life.
So let your freak flag fly, FRiend! Don’t hold back now, you never should have promised it ...
Ah, never mind, too much effort, ain’t gonna bump no more wit you.
During ordinary times, I would agree with your dismissal of registration. As most here on FR know, these are not ordinary times.
BHO has clearly demonstrated his disdain for the Constitution and rule of law.
1. Statements about the Constitution being an outdated document.
2. Statements about how he wished he could make rules without bothering with Congress.
3. His illegal treatment of the General Motors bond holders when the fed bailed out GM in 2009.
4. His decision not to enforce the laws of the land with the DoMA and illegal immigration deportations.
5. His infringement of the 1st Amendment's right to free exercise of religion by (1) forcing Roman Catholic institutions to provide birth control for their employees and (2) muzzling orthodox military chaplains.
6. His comment to professor John Lott during the 1990s at the Unv. of Chicago when BHO told Dr. Lott that private citizens should not be allowed to own firearms, i.e., revoke the 2nd Amendment.
7. His strategy of operating government by refusing to pass Congressional budgets.
In order to effect confiscation, the federal government must first identify the gun owners. BHO will justify this as being good for the public safety and respectful of the 2nd Amendment clause - "a well regulated milita."
1. Collate the Class 3 firearm permits established by 1934 National Firearm Act (NFA) to find those who legally own machine guns.
2. Use the U.S. Postal Service to identify NRA members by the mailing labels on their monthly magazines.
3. Utilize the Patriot Act and Executive Orders decreed by BHO to data mine the internet to identify firearm owners just like they hunt Islamic terrorists.
4. As part of ObamaCare medical records standardization, mandate physicians to include a question whether the patient has a firearm in his home.
5. Covertly and illegally retain the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) records to identify those who were approved to purchase a firearm.
If widespread civil disobedience, or even hostilities, break out due to Executive Orders to (1) ban private gun transactions, (2) mandatory registration of any/all firearms, and/or (3) ban the sale/ownership of semi-automatic rifles, the federal response will be a blitzkrieg.
1. Revoke all Federal Firearm Licenses (FFL) to sever the supply pipeline of private firearm and ammunition commerce.
2. Seize the ATF Form 4473 records of FFL dealers to identify gun buyers.
3. Threaten state governors if they dont co-operate with the federal government in identifying gun owners. The federal government will suspend federal subsidies to the states, e.g., Medicaid, highway grants, etc.
4. Mandate state agriculture departments to divulge registry of issued hunting licenses to identify gun owners.
5. Mandate sheriff departments to divulge their registry of concealed-carry weapon permits.
6. Implement a crime report program where-by citizens can report their gun-owner neighbors.
7. Mandate physicians to divulge the medical records of patients who voluntarily listed on their personal data forms that they have a firearm(s) in the house.
Once the gun owners have been identified, proceed to the next step and digitally punish gun owners who do not register/ surrender their firearms.
1. Freeze bank accounts
2. Freeze employer health insurance benefits
3. Suspend ObamaCare access
4. Freeze 401-k/ IRA assets
5. Suspend Social Security benefits
6. Suspend federal pensions
7. Liens on your properties, e.g., home, automobile, etc.
8. Suspend credit cards
9. Suspend drivers license
10. Suspend any work license, e.g., contractors, doctors, etc.
11. Cut-off utilities, i.e., electricity, natural gas, and water.
Then, if the resistance is still standing, fhe federal government puts the hammer down with confiscation ...
1. Federalize the National Guard.
2. Deploy the 1st Brigade , 3rd Infantry Division, U.S. Army. The unit was re-organized in 2008 and is now under the daily control of U.S. Northern Command's Army North, whose mission is to "protect the U.S. homeland and support local, state, and federal authorities." The unit is a multi-branch force with Soldiers, Airmen, Sailors and Marines from the 4 branches of the U.S. Department of Defense. The brigades home station remains Fort Stewart, Georgia, and "is training to deploy domestically in response to terrorist attacks or other national emergencies." The brigade will be trained in responding to WMD attacks, crowd control, and dealing with civil unrest. The force was renamed Chemical (biological, radiological, nuclear, or high-yield explosive) Consequence Management Response Force. Its acronym, CCMRF, is pronounced "see-smurf".
The choke point today is FFLs: the source of new guns & ammo is licensed dealers, who can be hassled into oblivion. Yes that leaves lots in private hands, but the dynamics change when there are just no more gun shops.
“As long as they dont know where the guns are, they cannot carry out mass confiscations. Any regulations that require gun registration are infringements of the 2A and should be ignored. Civil disobedience at that stage will avoid the need to worry about drones, etc, or to shed great amounts of blood.
Registration will fizzle out like it did in Canada.”
Did any of the weapons you bought entail a Form 4473?
They’ll know. Maybe they’ll come, maybe they won’t. What will you do if they pick you?
As it happens, I just sold mine. I couldn’t resist the high prices I was offered for them, because of the huge shortage of firearms and ammo right now. Buy low, sell high.
Treaties trumping the Constitution only when they had been ratified by the Senate. Don’t give any credibility to Hilary’s diplomatic self pleasuring other than preparing to burn the phone lines of Congress critters.
Finally, there will be a large amount of gun smuggling (Fast and Furious in reverse?).
NRA President Keane wrote in his JAN 2013 column regarding this matter. He said BHO will sign it. His point was that even if the Senate does not ratify the U.N. Small Arms Treaty (which will be passed by the U.N. this spring), BHO will be able to point to it and say that the world supports it. Its passage will further undermine the 2nd Amendment. It will remain on the shelf with no expiration date just waiting for the Senate to change to a favorable 2/3 majority.
It is the only way to win without bloodshed, and perhaps even with bloodshed. Once your guns are registered, they can confiscate piecemeal, county by county.
I agree with your comment about shooting ranges. It may well be necessary to stay away from ranges, for your longer-term greater good.
No but they had cannon and many of them were privately owned.
We citizens are in a awkward situation. Its too late for voting and too soon to start shooting the b@stards.
Along the lines of the church leaders - does anyone have any recommendations for books of pulpit sermons from the time frame in question? I’d love to read up on those.
“We are Conservatives, not pussies.”
Most of us are conservatives. Many are Republicans. Some are pussies, and few are Lord Haw Haw wannabees, kapo conservatives always urging capitulation before the fight has begun.
Just because you in California are OK with losing your 2nd Amendment rights doesn’t mean the rest of us have to lay down.
I think you need to read more of the comments coming out of the Democrat party. Confiscation is their goal. After taking away guns that are suited to standing up against their brown shirts.
You’re proving what we in “fly over country” have known all along. A West Coast, or East Coast conservative is a liberal anyplace else.
I havn’t read this, but it sounds like what you’re looking for, or at least a starting point...
‘The Battle of Lexington: A Sermon and Eyewitness Narrative’
At the VERY least Laz. Smells like a troll to me .......
Naaaah...just a lawyer.
Second ... they didnt have drones, tanks, etc in 1776.
There was no internet, radio, or television. I guess the First Amendment doesn't apply to these either.
We are Conservatives, not idiots.
Not in your case.
You smell like troll.
You come on the threads about 2A and harangue those who speak plainly about what is happening in plain sight.
Why are you even here?
To save us from ourselves?
Your description of civil disobedience is living in fear as a second-class citizen for no other reason that exercising a Constitional Right. That, my FRiend is neither a solution nor an option.
Don't kid yourself, friend. Gun regulation is simply citizen disarmament in slow motion.
The Commie left knows that they can't take our guns through force, which is why they long ago mastered the art of incrementalism. They've practically nullified the entire U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights by ever so slowly chipping away at them.
Second ... they didnt have drones, tanks, etc in 1776.
Which would be completely ineffective in a fight against 100 million armed citizens. Not to mention the fact that patriots in uniform will never allow those war machines to be deployed against their fellow Americans.
Communists and leftist dictators don't give a damn about civil disobedience. Such protests only work on men who have hearts, and who are basically good. Leftists laugh at such pathetic displays of resistance.
Go ahead and stage a peaceful protest in the public square when the federal jackboots show up to disarm your town. You and your fellow pacifists will be hauled off to Obama's FEMA gulags, never to be seen again.