Posted on 01/11/2013 8:05:20 AM PST by arthurus
Yes, but like most tools it has limitations.
No one now, nor likely in April 1775, wants to start shooting their fellow citizen. But there is only so much civil disobedience before Liberty is forcibly removed, or forcibly preserved.
I guarentee this guy or gal will get the short hook someday. With one exception only, every time I have identified a troll, they are zotted at some point.
I got troll-smell off this a-hole from his very first comments on the forum. Even his name: Rightward-ho... ? .... and a 'ho', in street parlance, is what exactly?
From his profile page: “Retired State Prosecutor of 25 years”
Therefore we must block the gun-grabbers at the registration stage, like the Canadians did. If they breech our defenses at the stage, Liberty is in real trouble.
Ummm. it starts as an outlier discussion then it moves toward the mainstream.
More than one senator has already expressed that desire and it will only really take a switchover in Congress to legislate an outright ban and when that doesn’t work, confiscation isn’t far behind.
I expect to see the govt do something with background checks that makes it impossible to get a gun at a show and they will restrict the import of ammo, guns and mags.
I expect that at every corner like when you need to renew your license, registration, or special endorsement for a CDL, there will be a checkmark if they have a red flag about that registered gun you bought 20 years prior, and until you can prove its long gone you will have to fight tooth and nail to get your credential.
And at the same time they will demand you take a mental health assessment. They know that there will be blood on the streets, so they will take the long term approach, we all need something, they will find that something and hold it hostage.
They will boil the frog, believe me.
You sound afraid and scared . . .
Lead, Follow or Get Out Of The Way !
At a minimum there is an active data base in each state of conceal carry permit holders - start there with pro-active gun owners, "Must show proof of gun registration to exercise your permit."
Or start posting ATF agents at gun ranges, "Please show proof of registration for these guns."
Buying ammo in person or on line? Must show proof of gun registration.
Ultimately getting caught exercising your 2A Right without registering your guns = fine, confiscation, imprisonment, criminal record, etc = the limitations of civil disobedience.
I just got back from walking the dog and no response. Why do you think there’s no threat of confiscation or that we would fold like lawn chairs or be crushed? I saw a similar opinion expressed here the other day.
ar·gu·ment (ärgy-mnt): A discussion in which disagreement is expressed; a debate. Or, reasoned debate tested by doubt.
I’d rather be wrong than thought unreasonable.
C’mon, you’re an old guy like me. And a lawyer.
Good arguments are productive—if we all agreed, we’d be DU, right? (Do you agree? ;-) We argue with ourselves before deciding things like what to have for lunch.
I’m not telling you anything you don’t know. All these threads are mini-arguments in this school of life known as FR.
Don’t let the greek chorus shut you down. Didja know that the Greek word `idiot’ was applied to Athenians (particularly) with no political opinions or involvement in political life.
So let your freak flag fly, FRiend! Don’t hold back now, you never should have promised it ...
Ah, never mind, too much effort, ain’t gonna bump no more wit you.
During ordinary times, I would agree with your dismissal of registration. As most here on FR know, these are not ordinary times.
BHO has clearly demonstrated his disdain for the Constitution and rule of law.
1. Statements about the Constitution being an outdated document.
2. Statements about how he wished he could make rules without bothering with Congress.
3. His illegal treatment of the General Motors bond holders when the fed bailed out GM in 2009.
4. His decision not to enforce the laws of the land with the DoMA and illegal immigration deportations.
5. His infringement of the 1st Amendment's right to free exercise of religion by (1) forcing Roman Catholic institutions to provide birth control for their employees and (2) muzzling orthodox military chaplains.
6. His comment to professor John Lott during the 1990s at the Unv. of Chicago when BHO told Dr. Lott that private citizens should not be allowed to own firearms, i.e., revoke the 2nd Amendment.
7. His strategy of operating government by refusing to pass Congressional budgets.
In order to effect confiscation, the federal government must first identify the gun owners. BHO will justify this as being good for the public safety and respectful of the 2nd Amendment clause - "a well regulated milita."
1. Collate the Class 3 firearm permits established by 1934 National Firearm Act (NFA) to find those who legally own machine guns.
2. Use the U.S. Postal Service to identify NRA members by the mailing labels on their monthly magazines.
3. Utilize the Patriot Act and Executive Orders decreed by BHO to data mine the internet to identify firearm owners just like they hunt Islamic terrorists.
4. As part of ObamaCare medical records standardization, mandate physicians to include a question whether the patient has a firearm in his home.
5. Covertly and illegally retain the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) records to identify those who were approved to purchase a firearm.
If widespread civil disobedience, or even hostilities, break out due to Executive Orders to (1) ban private gun transactions, (2) mandatory registration of any/all firearms, and/or (3) ban the sale/ownership of semi-automatic rifles, the federal response will be a blitzkrieg.
1. Revoke all Federal Firearm Licenses (FFL) to sever the supply pipeline of private firearm and ammunition commerce.
2. Seize the ATF Form 4473 records of FFL dealers to identify gun buyers.
3. Threaten state governors if they don’t co-operate with the federal government in identifying gun owners. The federal government will suspend federal subsidies to the states, e.g., Medicaid, highway grants, etc.
4. Mandate state agriculture departments to divulge registry of issued hunting licenses to identify gun owners.
5. Mandate sheriff departments to divulge their registry of concealed-carry weapon permits.
6. Implement a crime report program where-by citizens can report their gun-owner neighbors.
7. Mandate physicians to divulge the medical records of patients who voluntarily listed on their personal data forms that they have a firearm(s) in the house.
Once the gun owners have been identified, proceed to the next step and digitally punish gun owners who do not register/ surrender their firearms.
1. Freeze bank accounts
2. Freeze employer health insurance benefits
3. Suspend ObamaCare access
4. Freeze 401-k/ IRA assets
5. Suspend Social Security benefits
6. Suspend federal pensions
7. Liens on your properties, e.g., home, automobile, etc.
8. Suspend credit cards
9. Suspend driver’s license
10. Suspend any work license, e.g., contractors, doctors, etc.
11. Cut-off utilities, i.e., electricity, natural gas, and water.
Then, if the resistance is still standing, fhe federal government puts the hammer down with confiscation ...
1. Federalize the National Guard.
2. Deploy the 1st Brigade , 3rd Infantry Division, U.S. Army. The unit was re-organized in 2008 and is now under the daily control of U.S. Northern Command's Army North, whose mission is to "protect the U.S. homeland and support local, state, and federal authorities." The unit is a multi-branch force with Soldiers, Airmen, Sailors and Marines from the 4 branches of the U.S. Department of Defense. The brigade’s home station remains Fort Stewart, Georgia, and "is training to deploy domestically in response to terrorist attacks or other national emergencies." The brigade will be trained in responding to WMD attacks, crowd control, and dealing with civil unrest. The force was renamed Chemical (biological, radiological, nuclear, or high-yield explosive) Consequence Management Response Force. Its acronym, CCMRF, is pronounced "see-smurf".
The choke point today is FFLs: the source of new guns & ammo is licensed dealers, who can be hassled into oblivion. Yes that leaves lots in private hands, but the dynamics change when there are just no more gun shops.
“As long as they don’t know where the guns are, they cannot carry out mass confiscations. Any regulations that require gun registration are infringements of the 2A and should be ignored. Civil disobedience at that stage will avoid the need to worry about drones, etc, or to shed great amounts of blood.
Registration will fizzle out like it did in Canada.”
Did any of the weapons you bought entail a Form 4473?
They’ll know. Maybe they’ll come, maybe they won’t. What will you do if they pick you?
As it happens, I just sold mine. I couldn’t resist the high prices I was offered for them, because of the huge shortage of firearms and ammo right now. Buy low, sell high.
Treaties trumping the Constitution only when they had been ratified by the Senate. Don’t give any credibility to Hilary’s diplomatic self pleasuring other than preparing to burn the phone lines of Congress critters.
Finally, there will be a large amount of gun smuggling (Fast and Furious in reverse?).
NRA President Keane wrote in his JAN 2013 column regarding this matter. He said BHO will sign it. His point was that even if the Senate does not ratify the U.N. Small Arms Treaty (which will be passed by the U.N. this spring), BHO will be able to point to it and say that the world supports it. Its passage will further undermine the 2nd Amendment. It will remain on the shelf with no expiration date just waiting for the Senate to change to a favorable 2/3 majority.
It is the only way to win without bloodshed, and perhaps even with bloodshed. Once your guns are registered, they can confiscate piecemeal, county by county.
I agree with your comment about shooting ranges. It may well be necessary to stay away from ranges, for your longer-term greater good.
No but they had cannon and many of them were privately owned.
We citizens are in a awkward situation. Its too late for voting and too soon to start shooting the b@stards.
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