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White House may consider funding for police in schools after Newtown
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Posted on 01/11/2013 8:30:28 AM PST by Sub-Driver

White House may consider funding for police in schools after Newtown

By Philip Rucker, Published: January 10

The Obama administration is considering funding many more police officers in public schools to secure campuses, a leading Democratic senator said, part of a broad gun violence agenda that is likely to include a ban on high-capacity ammunition clips and universal background checks.

The school safety initiative, one of several under consideration, would make federal dollars available to schools that want to hire police officers and install surveillance equipment, although it is not nearly as far-ranging as the National Rifle Association’s proposal for armed guards in every U.S. school.

The idea is gaining currency among some Democratic lawmakers, who see it as a potential area of common ground with Republicans who otherwise oppose stricter restrictions on firearms. Sen. Barbara Boxer, a liberal Democrat from California, said she presented the plan to Vice President Biden and that he was “very, very interested” and may include it in the policy recommendations he makes to President Obama.

“If a school district wants to have a community policing presence, I think it’s very important they have it,” Boxer said in an interview Thursday. “If they want uniformed officers, they can do it. If they want plainclothed officers, they can do it.”

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1 posted on 01/11/2013 8:30:35 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

if the senate is even considering this means:
they’ll fall under DHS,
be unionized,
be exempt from Obamacare,
get gun/ammo contracts from Obama supporters all in IL.


2 posted on 01/11/2013 8:34:00 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Sub-Driver

3 posted on 01/11/2013 8:34:05 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Sub-Driver

Where are they going to get the funding for that? Just asking . . . kinda’ think I know the answer. A new cabinet level department with a chubby budget perhaps?


4 posted on 01/11/2013 8:35:17 AM PST by laweeks
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To: Sub-Driver
The States should use a two week rotation of National Guard Officers.
Two per School.
Of course the LibTards will scream about the "Militarization of Our Schools",
so perhaps a less Military uniform would be appropriate.
5 posted on 01/11/2013 8:35:31 AM PST by Falcon4.0
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To: Sub-Driver

Apparently, there are 10,000 armed guards in schools at this time. Of course the mediots and the lefties in charge of our country don’t want this blatant discrimination against kids in unarmed schools out in the open.

Every elite left winger should be challenged to remove the armed guards from the schools their children attend, have no armed guards where they meet in legislative sessions to destroy our constitution, have no personal armed guards/chauffers and surrender any C&C permits and guns they have before enacting new anti second ammendment laws.

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6 posted on 01/11/2013 8:36:41 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Tagline space for rent to pay for some of my extra taxes the next 4 years!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Almost makes it sound as though they are capitulating to the NRA until one thinks about the control that goes with Fed funding.

Such a move would further secure the power of the Fed.


7 posted on 01/11/2013 8:36:56 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Sub-Driver

This is how Obama will get gun control. Give the NRA what they suggested (armed guards, but include it in an authorization to ban assault weapons and high capacity mags. They’ll say they are being reasonable.


8 posted on 01/11/2013 8:37:41 AM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: laweeks
Where are they going to get the funding for that?

This will be yet another chance to push for more Taxes.

9 posted on 01/11/2013 8:38:27 AM PST by Falcon4.0
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To: Sub-Driver

Wonder what they’ll do with all those “Gun-Free Zone” signs after they’re taken down?


10 posted on 01/11/2013 8:40:13 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Sub-Driver
Wow, proves the campaign against the forces of darkness is making headway ~ they're no longer telling us the little children are better off out in the open without protection cowering in a corner for the mad dog killer to come and murder them.

That, my friend, is REAL PROGRESS with that bunch of demons from hell.

Now, about the other part they propose ~ restrictions on 'high capacity clips' ~ bwahahahaha ~ only holds 3 at preent, so they want to go to 2? ~ and then some other stuff.

Here's where we stiff the Professional Leftwingtards ~ we amend their other garbage out, but prohibit private schools of any kind from having armed guards! So, public schools get armed guards with federal assistance, but the private schools where their kids go to school, get stripped back ~ bet that'd make the old Occupy crowd excited.

NOTE: I know that'd never get out of a House Committee but let's make the leftwingtards argue the case! Should get some fiery briefs against class warfare Fur Shur.

11 posted on 01/11/2013 8:41:51 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Falcon4.0

The Feds should just kick it to the states to implement and fund however they see fit.

If it falls under DHS, it’ll become a giant bloated pig costing $150k per guard just for salary.


12 posted on 01/11/2013 8:43:36 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni

Yup, you’re right.

This kind of thing should NOT be “federalized” — it’s just one more step towards the cliff of “control”.

If this is to be endorsed by the federal government, it should be in the form of block grants to states, after which the states could direct the funds to local school jurisdictions as they (the states) see fit. Whether to put police on duty on school properties, or offer training to in-school personnel, should be a matter of local policy decisions.

The notion of increasing security in local schools should remain a LOCAL issue and responsibility. It will be handled better that way, and the funds required will be spent more wisely, at least one would hope.

But more importantly, the -control- of such policies would remain in the hands of local officials, directly responsible to the communities they serve.


13 posted on 01/11/2013 8:43:58 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: Sub-Driver
BS!
Keep the Feds out of this, should be a state matter and even down to the county and school board level.
14 posted on 01/11/2013 8:44:27 AM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Falcon4.0
There are ObamaKKKare death panels with sufficient funding to pay for all the guards we'd ever need. Just tap the funds.

Make the leftwingtards squeal like pigs ~ and re-argue, in public, all the stupid stuff they stuffed into ObamaKKKare!

15 posted on 01/11/2013 8:44:48 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Sub-Driver
RE :”The Obama administration is considering funding many more police officers in public schools to secure campuses, a leading Democratic senator said, part of a broad gun violence agenda that is likely to include a ban on high-capacity ammunition clips and universal background checks. “

???
All we need

16 posted on 01/11/2013 8:46:50 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to O is NO principle!)
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To: Falcon4.0
Where are they going to get the funding for that?

This will be yet another chance to push for more Taxes.

Ya' know . . . I didn't think we needed anything more than the 2nd Amendment that we already have.

Any adult in that school should have the 2nd Amendment right to be armed. We need the feds to do that for us?

Dammit, when are they going to leave us alone?

17 posted on 01/11/2013 8:48:05 AM PST by laweeks
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To: TurboZamboni
Wrong, it will be like Clinton's 100,000 cops.

Grant money to school systems to pay for the cops. Our school system has SRO’s at the schools already. We'll get the grant money to fund the cops - but it will be spent elsewhere.

Like the “100,000 cops” program school systems without SROs will use the grants to hire them. When the grants run out the school system will have to fire them or raise taxes to pay for them.

Our county hired touchy feely folks with the cops money and when it ran out they went away. Some of the other counties around here hired beat cops - and the crying and hand wringing was intense when the money ended.

18 posted on 01/11/2013 8:50:02 AM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: martin_fierro

Awesome post!


19 posted on 01/11/2013 8:50:58 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Bringing children to America without immigration documents is child abuse. Let's end it.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Once this “protection” is in place they’ll threaten to remove it unless taxes are increased. “Republicans want to kill your children” will be the war cry.


20 posted on 01/11/2013 8:52:54 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: laweeks
Ya' know . . . I didn't think we needed anything more than the 2nd Amendment that we already have.

Yup but apparently the vast majority of Americans are panicked little bunnies who just know there's a crazed gunman hiding in the bushes outside all 100,000 schools in America.

I dated a Serbian woman who told me a story about the "peacekeepers" who were placed in schools there. Those same peacekeepers were the ones who loaded students on buses and sent them to where they wanted the resistant parents to go.

I think I prefer the staff to be armed if they wish and removing the signs that announce free fire zones.
21 posted on 01/11/2013 8:56:09 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Sub-Driver
This is a state issue. The feds should stay out of this.
Oboma wants it to increase his dictatorial power. Nothing more. More government union employees, too, so it'll cost the working class three times as much as it should.

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."" -- Thomas Jefferson

22 posted on 01/11/2013 8:56:46 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Sub-Driver

In a country that regularly pisses through $$$1 Trillion a year and now wants to mint a fiat coin of platinum what’s $5 billion a year?

It’s for the children and only soulless bastuhds would object to protecting the children.


23 posted on 01/11/2013 9:00:27 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: cripplecreek
I think I prefer the staff to be armed if they wish and removing the signs that announce free fire zones.

Yeah, I teach at a private adult vocational school and we have one of those stupid signs that advertise that NO ONE IN THIS BUILDING IS ARMED, SO YOU CAN COME IN A SHOOT AT RANDOM, AND NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO STOP YOU . . . ya' know what I mean?

Would rather have a sign indicating that someone, somewhere in this building is armed and ready to use his weapon.

24 posted on 01/11/2013 9:02:14 AM PST by laweeks
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To: Sub-Driver
Instead of the TSA, they'll call this union the SSA.

Whaddya think? Doncha just love the idea of a claque of Federal goons with the weapons to keep you from getting to your kids?

Wayne LaPierre, you suck, much.

Had the NRA suggested arming existing school personnel and offered free training, I'd have been all with them. At least those people are somewhat accountable to parents. It would have been a great opportunity to dispel a boatload of propaganda from the Marxist left. Nope, ol' Wayne wants yet ANOTHER unfunded retirement for his retired cop constituency.

25 posted on 01/11/2013 9:02:14 AM PST by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: laweeks
Would rather have a sign indicating that someone, somewhere in this building is armed and ready to use his weapon.

Do ya feel lucky punk? LOL
26 posted on 01/11/2013 9:07:53 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Not the job of the federal government.


27 posted on 01/11/2013 9:10:19 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks!)
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To: Sub-Driver

,,,,, GEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZ ,,,, there goes our “SAFE” ,, “gun free zone” around our public school indoctrination centers .


28 posted on 01/11/2013 9:11:57 AM PST by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism & Communism are the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: The Cajun

“Keep the Feds out of this, should be a state matter and even down to the county and school board level.”

I agree. Allow qualified volunteer citizens and/or qualified volunteer staff to perform security. Do not turn this important function over to the feds.


29 posted on 01/11/2013 9:14:42 AM PST by mouske
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To: Sub-Driver

Why federal?

Each county in each state can organize a posse of volunteers - just ask Sheriff Arapi how to do it.


30 posted on 01/11/2013 9:14:42 AM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Hardastarboard
Seems like the County Sheriff could make school teachers Reserve Officers and arm them and train them for the least expensive way. Just one or two in each school should do it.
No uniforms required just a concealed carry.
31 posted on 01/11/2013 9:14:58 AM PST by castnet55
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32 posted on 01/11/2013 9:17:37 AM PST by RedMDer (Those that believe in gun free zones should wear GUN FREE ZONE T-SHIRTS.)
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To: castnet55
Just one or two in each school should do it.

Do what? After all there are some 100,000 schools in this country and a tiny fraction of a percent have had shootings. That's like saying that all people should be tested for aids.
33 posted on 01/11/2013 9:20:35 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: laweeks

Any kind of protection for the schools has to be funded somehow, doesn’t it? If the govt does it, people will demand some form of over site, right?


34 posted on 01/11/2013 9:21:04 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: All

I’ll save everyone the suspense.

They won’t propose this. They will propose limits on gun-clip, high capacity ammunition, high capacity bullets, high capacity gun magazines, banana clips, bullet holders, AK11, AK44, AK15, AR47, AR11, oh and the evil dreaded “barrel shroud”.

These are all the misstatements I’ve heard and read the past few weeks most of which came from elected officials.


35 posted on 01/11/2013 9:21:16 AM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Falcon4.0

Good idea, keep it in the state


36 posted on 01/11/2013 9:22:54 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: Sub-Driver

The Feds MUST be kept out of this. It’s up to the states, counties, or municipalities to deal with this issue, either by keeping a policeman at the school, or allowing armed police to visit the school from time to time, or allowing certified teachers or guards to carry in the school, thus removing any crazy’s confidence that he will not encounter armed defenders.

We all know what happens when the federal government takes over paying the bills. More taxes, more control, less freedom.

And it points toward Obama’s dream: an armed government and disarmed citizens. Not to mention more public union supporters.


37 posted on 01/11/2013 9:23:53 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: laweeks
Would rather have a sign indicating that someone, somewhere in this building is armed and ready to use his weapon.

People keep talking about the actual event of shooting back at one of these nutjobs, etc. but what is overlooked repeatedly is the deterrent value of just having the possibility of armed 'resistors' in the schools. Your sign would be the way to go.

These shooters want to kill lots of people and make a 'statement', then they want to die on their own terms (suicide). They don't want to be wounded, taken alive to stand trial or end up in a mental ward. They want to die by their own hand, the ultimate 'control', and in their own minds as some sort of 'legend' with the publicity that attends such a reputation, even if it is the worst sort. Just having the possibility of someone who can shoot back and mess up their plans is a deterrent and they'll look for the softest target. As examples: Columbine - shooters committed suicide; Dunlane - shooter committed suicide; VT - shooter committed suicide when he heard the cops breaking in downstairs, Newtown - shooter committed suicide when he heard police sirens; recent mall event - shooter committed suicide when he saw a weapon present in the hands of a guy carrying concealed who didn't even have to fire a shot. Deterrence - it works (not always, but more often than "Gun Free Zone").

38 posted on 01/11/2013 9:24:28 AM PST by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: rockinqsranch

It has to have some govt funding, doesn’t it?


39 posted on 01/11/2013 9:24:49 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: mouske
Allow qualified volunteer citizens and/or qualified volunteer staff to perform security. Do not turn this important function over to the feds.

And I totally agree with you.
Anytime the Feds get involved you have strings attached.
The first thing they would do is stop the *qualified* part you mentioned.
Anything the Feds touch goes to crap and becomes a joke, quickly.
I know the sheriff in my parish (county) would be happy to train volunteers and deputize them.

40 posted on 01/11/2013 9:25:12 AM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: LearsFool

“Wonder what they’ll do with all those “Gun-Free Zone” signs after they’re taken down?”

Put them up at Starbucks.


41 posted on 01/11/2013 9:25:12 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Want freedom? Think WWRRD? Then do it.)
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To: cripplecreek

I think school districts should make the decision if they want police or private security, if they want armed teachers, etc. I think arming teachers should be on a volunteer basis. It’s got to be people who will use the gun if necessary. Not everybody is suited for that.


42 posted on 01/11/2013 9:25:12 AM PST by virgil
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To: Dr. Thorne

Isn’t that called compromise?


43 posted on 01/11/2013 9:26:21 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: virgil

Personally I can’t think of better security personnel than janitors. They’re generally unobtrusive and they know their way around the school without being tied to one spot.


44 posted on 01/11/2013 9:28:31 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: TurboZamboni

but then, if the fed doesn’t cover it and something bad happens, no one will be able to blame Obama??!!


45 posted on 01/11/2013 9:29:04 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: Huskrrrr

This “protection” will be bean bag rounds or spitwads.

The real stuff is reserved for protecting the ‘important’ people in D.C.


46 posted on 01/11/2013 9:30:11 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Sub-Driver

Beware of the strings that will be attached to any funding from Mordor-on-the-Potomac.


47 posted on 01/11/2013 9:32:29 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: cripplecreek

Got that right. Get rid of those stupid signs and let the school districts/teachers do as they wish.


48 posted on 01/11/2013 9:32:47 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: newnhdad

because it’s way easier and faster to regulate inanimate objects than people


49 posted on 01/11/2013 9:36:06 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: stuartcr

Not the Fed. Gov’t.

State, or local, but not the Fed.

The last thing we want is to expand the Federal Government into our State, and local business.

The Lefts goal is Centralized government subjecting the citizens to their control. That isn’t what this country is about.


50 posted on 01/11/2013 9:39:46 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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