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Forget discouraged, 3 million workers hopelessly unemployed
CNN Money ^ | 01/04/2013 | By Annalyn Kurtz

Posted on 01/11/2013 3:34:10 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Employers may be hiring, but there's another big problem with the job market that isn't being tracked as closely: the hopelessly unemployed.

An often overlooked number calculated by the Labor Department shows millions of Americans want a job but haven't searched for one in at least a year. They've simply given up hope.

They're not counted as part of the labor force, the official unemployment rate, or the category the Labor Department refers to as "discouraged workers" -- those who haven't bothered to look for work in the last four weeks.

These hopelessly unemployed workers have just been jobless so long, they've fallen off the main government measures altogether.

"The way we're measuring the long-term unemployed has a lot of holes in it," said Stephen Bronars, senior economist for Welch Consulting. "A person can be discouraged for a while, but then gets bumped over into this other category."

The Labor Department started tracking this group in 1994, but it doesn't get much attention. Recently, it has started growing more rapidly than usual, even as other job measures have shown improvement.

Five years ago, before the recession began, about 2.5 million people said they wanted a job but hadn't searched for one in at least a year. Now, that number is around 3.25 million.

"We have always had a set of people who want a job but for whatever reason are not looking," said Heidi Shierholz, economist with the Economic Policy Institute. "But this recession was so severe and job opportunities are still so weak, this group is growing because of that."

Who are the hopelessly unemployed?

"It's hard to say exactly who these people might be," Bronars said. That's because they say they want to work, but also say they aren't looking. The questioning doesn't go much deeper than that.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: careers; jobhunting; jobs; recovery; underemployment; unemployed; unemployment

1 posted on 01/11/2013 3:34:19 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

sad but true.


2 posted on 01/11/2013 3:45:11 PM PST by brivette
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To: SeekAndFind

On the dole, just as big brudder obozo needed.


4 posted on 01/11/2013 3:45:50 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: SeekAndFind
"We have always had a set of people who want a job but for whatever reason are not looking,"

Can anyone imagine being out of work and over 50 in this country and trying to find a job which actually pays the bills, medical etc.....lol...Most would have better luck juggling chain saws while roller skating....

5 posted on 01/11/2013 3:49:00 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SeekAndFind

> 3 million workers hopelessly unemployed

No problem, they can soon apply to become Obama-Biden’s gun control enforcement informants.


6 posted on 01/11/2013 3:50:28 PM PST by Jyotishi (Seeking the truth, a fact at a time.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Who are the hopelessly unemployed?
“It’s hard to say exactly who these people might be...”
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Hey, I know one!
Mrs. Repeal The 17th worked for 40 years as an administrative-secretarial type and is now coping with the fact that she is a laid-off and unemployable 60 year old.


7 posted on 01/11/2013 3:53:59 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: freedumb2003

Not all of them


8 posted on 01/11/2013 3:55:16 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: SeekAndFind

You have 2 basic categories of the poor.
1) The Needy - people who truly cannot handle a job, mental illness, mental retardation or low IQ. People with unmanaged depression - they simply cannot function without assistance.

2) The Greedy - pretty much everyone else. Why SHOULD they work, if they can get free meals, free housing, free medical care and have their kids off-loaded to a tax-payer provided daycare. They can go to bed when they want, get up whenever they want and answer to no one.

If you have your house provided to you, a “magic card” that can be used to buy free food, clothes, movie tickets or various “bling” - why would you want to give all that up? So you can go to work, take crap from other people, have to give up all the free time you’ve enjoyed - for what? A few extra bucks at the end of the week?

Now, cut the programs and let them skip a couple of meals; you will discover two different types of Greedy folks. You will discover the inner Thuga who feels that they are entitled to the easy life; and you will discover those people who suddenly develop a work ethic.

Shoot the thugs, and put the work ethic people to work doing SOMETHING. We used to employ Street Sweepers, perhaps picking up litter in the parks, perhaps something more useful.


9 posted on 01/11/2013 3:58:53 PM PST by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Exactly. There are millions of people who got laid off and simply cannot find another job.

Well, then, some folks will say, get a job at the local supermarket or restaurant.

Sorry, they’re not hiring either. And they’re cutting the hours of the workers they already have.

No doubt some of these people are just unwilling to work. But many or most of them just can’t get jobs in their lifelong field of work—or, often, in any other field, even for a fraction of their former salary.


10 posted on 01/11/2013 4:00:04 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: philetus

>>Not all of them<<

Enough of them...


11 posted on 01/11/2013 4:00:15 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: SeekAndFind
"We have always had a set of people who want a job but for whatever reason are not looking,"

I know the type, they are waiting for a job to come looking for them.

These people are not self starters and need the motivation that can only be provided by leadership and positive morale in the community. And we don't have either.

12 posted on 01/11/2013 4:01:24 PM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: Repeal The 17th
You're a laid off 60 year old?

Try to find one of those cubical jobs, or service jobs which pay 1980s wages, and compete with those in their 20s who are living at home with ma and pa. These positions offer lots of meaningless incentives, prizes and commissions in lieu of real income...

BTW, you'll have to buy your own medical insurance...In fact, you might make a deal with them during your interview process and tell them you'll work for medical benefits and no income....You might have a chance if you're able to smile while being taxed and financially gang raped.

13 posted on 01/11/2013 4:03:51 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Cicero

>>No doubt some of these people are just unwilling to work. But many or most of them just can’t get jobs in their lifelong field of work—or, often, in any other field, even for a fraction of their former salary.<<

People should always be surveying the horizon. I am leaving my comfort zone (I work in IT) to do real-life “cloud” implementations. You can NEVER let the grass grow under your wheels.


14 posted on 01/11/2013 4:06:10 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: taillightchaser
Excuse me, but I've been living off savings for the past 3 years after Obama and Geithner closed a perfectly good bank for no good reason and 300 people got put on the street.

No, I did not file for unemployment, food stamps or social security disability.

Yes, I appear to be "hopelessly unemployed" due to my age and a failed bank on my resume, but we will see.

15 posted on 01/11/2013 4:09:24 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: SeekAndFind

They have a job. They are part of the benefits transfer mechanism of the government that is overburdening the economy and they will vote reliably Democrat in exchange for government assistance.


16 posted on 01/11/2013 4:13:00 PM PST by Truth29
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To: Truth29

Is this the Kenyan model?


17 posted on 01/11/2013 4:14:08 PM PST by rovenstinez
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To: SeekAndFind
bring back the CCC...
18 posted on 01/11/2013 4:15:42 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: SeekAndFind

in that stat would also be those that went Galt

I won’t help nazis. some have no problem funding their unConstitutional propaganda machine... I’m just not one of them


19 posted on 01/11/2013 4:20:13 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: SeekAndFind

Also irritating is when I see people buying $200+ worth of groceries with EBT cards who can’t speak one sentence in correct English, and are overheard yammering in Spanish or Russian. Why are we subsidizing non-US citizens? One of the qualification requirements for US Citizenship is proficiency in English and knowledge of US Constitution. At least it was that way when I received citizenship. These people obviously do not know both. May be requirements have been relaxed now.


20 posted on 01/11/2013 4:27:41 PM PST by entropy12 (The republic is doomed when people figure out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve been working since I was 14, have always been able to find a job - never spent longer than 30 days without a job, and I’m pushing 60. What does a person do, who’s unemployed? Are Gov’t benefits so good you don’t need a job? Series question.


21 posted on 01/11/2013 4:31:36 PM PST by 11th_VA (In the course of Human Events ...)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is just one of the groups that an ambitious, articulate, forward-thinking GOP presidential aspirant ought to be listening to, talking to, and winning the support of well in advance of the next election, starting like ... now! And he or she should being doing this in all 50 states. And while he/she is in those states, go into the non-traditional areas for Republicans in order to craft policies formulated from conservative principles that appeals to and actually benefits the nation both as a whole and as individuals. He/she should engage groups that have heard only the DemocRats to this point, and both listen and talk. He/she should be seeking to gain some degree real cred and trust before the politics-of-personal-destruction machine (i.e., the David Axelrodent school of divide and conquer no matter what long-term damage it does to civility and citizenship in our nation) gets too busy.

Then the candidate would not have to hire any of the Eric Ferhnstrom, beltway elite, echo chamber types, because he/she would have a base that the party elite simply would not have or be able to get without him/her. In other words, the candidate should seek to be a uniter with constitutional principles, which would be a total contrast to the current Divider-in-Chief whose principles, if he has any, are anti-constitutional.


22 posted on 01/11/2013 4:34:18 PM PST by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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To: oldbrowser

I live across the street from one. He always says he needs to make money to pay his bills but nothing ever happens. I outlined close to a grand of work he can do for me. Can do it myself but thought it a nice gesture to help him out. No response. His union and our tax dollars hook him up. Nicest guy in the world but a lazy, leaching POS.


23 posted on 01/11/2013 4:36:07 PM PST by jack1165
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To: Chode
Guest worker programs(skilled and otherwise) at the federal level would do well to be re-evaluated for their existence. If anything, those programs distort the job market such that the long-term and 50/60+ are pushed to unemployment. If there are any issues related to skillsets, the private sector can handle that as well.
24 posted on 01/11/2013 4:37:36 PM PST by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: Hodar

Bump.

Excellent categorization.

I interview these folks every week. Most of them fall into category 2. Greedy bastards who feel they are owed a lifestyle.


25 posted on 01/11/2013 4:38:45 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Repeal The 17th

I’ll be 60 next year. I was laid off 2 years ago after the hospital closed down the medical transcription dept. and sent our jobs to India. I’m now in a govt. retraining program and I hope to rejoin the workforce this summer, although at my age I know it’ll be difficult. Good luck to you guys.


26 posted on 01/11/2013 4:39:22 PM PST by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby. LIFB.)
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To: dragnet2
Can anyone imagine being out of work and over 50 in this country and trying to find a job which actually pays the bills, medical etc.....lol...Most would have better luck juggling chain saws while roller skating....

So very true. I've been there and it's a very hopeless feeling. I was very lucky to have family to help me out. That, and the fact that my divorce had stripped me of most large assets , allowed me to take menial jobs till I could retrain in a new career .

27 posted on 01/11/2013 4:45:40 PM PST by YankeeReb
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To: SeekAndFind

Just cut off their unemployment benefits and see how long it takes them to find a job.

Extend unemployment benefits for years and years and you get what you pay for... chronically unemployed people.


28 posted on 01/11/2013 4:48:24 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
seriously...have her immediately apply for SS disability...bad knees, back whatever...she'll get her SS and in a bigger amt than if she waited til 62....

I don't feel too bad about a solid working citizen getting disability....its the 30 and 40 yr olds that haven't worked much and getting it for "stress" or "alcholism" or a sore back....

the new reality:..if you've played the game the right way and still lost, than at least make them pay you...

29 posted on 01/11/2013 4:57:32 PM PST by cherry
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To: Cicero

Thank you for saying that. Happened to me. I was lured away from a huge tech company to take a VP position, laid off 4 months later when the economy cratered (Nov. ‘08). Four months.

It took me 2 1/2 years to find another job. I’ve worked since I was 14, and I’m 57. I’ve never been out of work that long in my life. God knows I tried. I couldn’t buy an interview. I dumbed down what is considered to be a rather impressive resume’. Tried it all.

Finally landed a new position, in my old field, and it was the best paying job I ever had.

Point is......you never give up. What kept me going were the following words that I said to someone, and it just stuck....even if I don’t know where the words came from: “The Good Lord didn’t bring me this far to hang me out to dry.”

He didn’t. Hang in there with Him; He certainly will hang in there with you.


30 posted on 01/11/2013 5:09:27 PM PST by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: SeekAndFind

bttt


31 posted on 01/11/2013 5:28:36 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: dragnet2
Can anyone imagine being out of work and over 50 in this country and trying to find a job which actually pays the bills, medical etc.....lol...Most would have better luck juggling chain saws while roller skating....

I don't have to imagine it. I'll be 56 in March, after being laid off in November 2008. And, no, I'm not on the dole, either. Some areas of the world still have functioning extended families or pseudo-families, and I do my part for the tribe.

It takes a determined, conscious effort nearly every moment to remind myself that Christians are forbidden to despair.

It's also a pretty good idea to watch as little commercial television as possible and to steer clear of alcohol.

Prayer is a first resort, not the last, as is seeking out anyone truly worse off, which is not very difficult.

God does not owe us any explanations.

Many who are, or were, near and dear are rationalizing self-destruction, in whole or in part, and some in the same boat... well...

Think of the survivors of the U.S.S. Indianapolis, floating along in those shark infested waters... add a slug line from one of those 70's disaster movies... "Who will survive?"

32 posted on 01/11/2013 5:33:33 PM PST by Prospero
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To: RightOnline

That my friend is beautiful!


33 posted on 01/11/2013 5:45:32 PM PST by DooDahhhh (ma)
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To: RightOnline

Glad it worked out. Something similar happened to one of my daughters in NYC. She left a firm that didn’t properly value her work for another, where she got double the pay. But that firm finally went belly up. Then she got another job, and THAT firm collapsed. She recently finished a month-long temp job before Christmas. Now she has a job interview coming up, with at least some hope. But things can be very tough. And not for want of trying.


34 posted on 01/11/2013 5:55:54 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: RightOnline

Thank you for posting that. The last two paragraphs are both true and beautiful and could only have been written by someone who has “been there”.


35 posted on 01/11/2013 6:01:09 PM PST by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: RightOnline

You made my day with your post. I wish you well.


36 posted on 01/11/2013 6:10:12 PM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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