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Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world, Part One
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Posted on 01/11/2013 4:06:21 PM PST by Right Wing Assault

The controlled study documented in these videos show that concealed carry permit holders are fooling themselves if they think they will be able to react effectively to armed aggressors. Most CCW holders won't even be able to un-holster their gun. They will more likely be killed themselves or kill innocent bystanders than stop the aggressor. For more details, see "Unintended Consequences: Pro-Handgun Experts Prove That Handguns Are a Dangerous Choice for Self-Defense." http://www.vpc.org/studies/unincont.htm.

CCW permit holders don't protect innocent people. They kill them.


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KEYWORDS: abc; banglist; carry; concealed; guncontrol; liberalagenda; progressiveagenda; propaganda; secondamendment
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Part 2: another double barf!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLN6_s66wTg

I never saw these before, you may have. These two videos are SO bad, they are comical. In fact, I was having trouble barfing and laughing at the same time. I won't comment on the content. I want to let FReepers have all the fun.

1 posted on 01/11/2013 4:06:29 PM PST by Right Wing Assault
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To: Right Wing Assault

Part 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QjZY3WiO9s

Part 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLN6_s66wTg


2 posted on 01/11/2013 4:08:05 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

In an unpublished report, engineering statistician William Sturdevant found that concealed carry licensees had arrest rates far lower than the general population for every category of crime. For instance:

Licensees were 5.7 times less likely to be arrested for violent offenses than the general public - 127 per 100,000 population versus 730 per 100,000.

Licensees were 14 times less likely to be arrested for nonviolent offenses than the general public - 386 per 100,000 population versus 5,212 per 100,000.

Further, the general public is 1.4 times more likely to be arrested for murder than licensees [ see Figure I ], and no licensee had been arrested for negligent manslaughter.

from:
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba324


3 posted on 01/11/2013 4:10:41 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Right Wing Assault

abcnews has always been a mouthpiece for the DNC.


4 posted on 01/11/2013 4:10:58 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Right Wing Assault
They will more likely be killed themselves or kill innocent bystanders than stop the aggressor

Give me one example.....ONE.

5 posted on 01/11/2013 4:11:57 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Right Wing Assault

attackers enter a store... you’re in one of the aisles and have no gun. you die. no option

conversely, attackers enter store... you’re in an aisle and hear the commotion. you have a gun... you have a CHANCE of living

i’ll take a chance over no-chance every day of the week


6 posted on 01/11/2013 4:14:02 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Liberal propaganda. I know what I can do, I’ve done it.


7 posted on 01/11/2013 4:14:21 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Right Wing Assault

I didn’t watch the Part 2 that was posted in this thread, but I have seen this ABC piece of comedy.

Is this the video where they simply hand someone a weapon, NO TRAINING whatsoever, and then blame everyone in the world because things didn’t go smoothly ?


8 posted on 01/11/2013 4:14:21 PM PST by Celerity
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To: Right Wing Assault
Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world...

UNMITIGATED BULLSHIT!!

9 posted on 01/11/2013 4:18:22 PM PST by GoldenPup
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To: sten

Amen, brother. CCW is not a panacea. However, like you correctly stated, it affords you a chance to live.


10 posted on 01/11/2013 4:19:03 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Celerity

No, they claim they were trained by pros equal or better than some state CCW requirements.

The mistakes the people make are hilarious. You also have to see the way they have these people dressed.

The demos take place in a college-type classroom.


11 posted on 01/11/2013 4:21:41 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: theBuckwheat

Licensees are five hundred times less likely to be dead!


12 posted on 01/11/2013 4:24:15 PM PST by immadashell
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To: Right Wing Assault

This video is no different in construction than the Food Lion piece by ABC, or the Estes rocket engine strapped to an “exploding” pickup truck, or the CNN tailhook story.

Same radical leftist propaganda tricks.


13 posted on 01/11/2013 4:25:09 PM PST by Obadiah (It is when a people forget God, that tyrants forge their chains.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

The url to VPC is all you need to know.


14 posted on 01/11/2013 4:27:57 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: sten

If only one concealed carry licensee was in the theater in Colorado a lot of current dead people would not be!


15 posted on 01/11/2013 4:29:25 PM PST by immadashell
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To: theBuckwheat

theBuckwheat~ :
“Licensees were 5.7 times less likely to be arrested for violent offenses than the general public - 127 per 100,000 population versus 730 per 100,000.

Licensees were 14 times less likely to be arrested for nonviolent offenses than the general public - 386 per 100,000 population versus 5,212 per 100,000.

Further, the general public is 1.4 times more likely to be arrested for murder than licensees [ see Figure I ], and no licensee had been arrested for negligent manslaughter.”

Now we know why ‘Obummer’ and ‘Tweedle dumb’ don’t have lisences : they are not nonviolent , and ..
not likely to be arrested for murder or manslaughter
especially under Holder !!


16 posted on 01/11/2013 4:29:55 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt ("You never want a crisis to go to waste...( even if you create the crisis) "- Rahm Emanuel)
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To: Right Wing Assault
This is proof that abc is nothing but a bunch of communist LIARS AND TRAITORS. HEY ABC... I CARRY ALL OF THE TIME... I HAVE A CCW... SEND GEORGIE STUFFONEINHISBUTTICUS TO ATTACK ME AND LET US SEE IF I REACT QUICKLY ENOUGH! Yeah you red fags... just what I thought.

LLS

17 posted on 01/11/2013 4:30:58 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Right Wing Assault

They start with anywhere from zero to over a hundred hours of firearms experience; I have many thousands of hours of experience. It appears to be their first day with the firearm and holster; I have had my weapons for a very long time. They put the experimental subjects in an unfamiliar environment surrounded by people they neither know nor care about; I spend the vast majority of my time in familiar locations where I have already thought through what might go wrong. Exactly how is this test in any way valid, except for its intended purpose - as propaganda?


18 posted on 01/11/2013 4:32:02 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Oh man - I got my gun stuck in my shirt - and now I’ve got bubblegum in my hair - and coffee all over my keyboard....


19 posted on 01/11/2013 4:32:19 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Right Wing Assault

The guy would never find cover before drawing his gun, He would stand up while everyone else was running and dick around with it like this fool.

Come on this was a set-up from beghinning to end.


20 posted on 01/11/2013 4:34:02 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Puppage
Give me one example.....ONE.

If he could, I'd bet it would involve a cop and most likely NYC.

21 posted on 01/11/2013 4:40:34 PM PST by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: Right Wing Assault
Hey rocky! Watch me pull another “study” out of my ass, clearly showing Americans don't need guns at all! signed Always Been Communist (ABC) News Corp.

ABC old media working hard to get strict gun control measures passed against Mr. and Mrs. America!

22 posted on 01/11/2013 4:40:46 PM PST by paratrooper82 (82nd ABN Div. 1/508th BN "Fiery From the Sky")
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To: Right Wing Assault

OK, some people aren’t watching the videos, so I WILL comment.

They take college kids and give them CCW training. Then they put one or two them in a “classroom” with a bunch of other “students” who will be acting. The Glocks are real but they are paint marking training cartridges. Everyone wears a full helmet with a burka-style window and paint ball-type gloves. They also wear baggy, long padded sweatshirts to conceal their weapons. Then one or two bad guys storm the room and start shooting the “teacher.” The students are supposed to take them out.

Two of the three can’t even draw their guns!

Also, rather than dropping for cover behind the desks until they are ready, they stand up straight fumbling with the weapon, making themselves perfect targets. The shooters also seem to know who they are and blast the hell out of them.

The moral, don’t do all of the above.

I will remember not to wear a blindfold and boxing gloves under a sea of fabric the next time I need to shoot. I will also remember not use any tactics at all.


23 posted on 01/11/2013 4:47:16 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Of course I wouldn’t shoot Georgie... I would just bip him on the nose with the muzzle... ammo is just too darned expensive to waste on that piece of human waste.

LLS


24 posted on 01/11/2013 4:47:17 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Right Wing Assault
ABC News steppin' & fetchin' for president Obama.

Mainstream medias blatantly supporting the democrat's gun grabbing agenda by continuing the steady stream of gun related non-stories, keeping the pressure on.

The bastards need to start filing with the IRS as political organizations.

25 posted on 01/11/2013 4:47:55 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Right Wing Assault
No wonder why NO ONE takes ABC News for anything but a bad joke.

It's timer to mock the "Gun Control" Zombies!
"Gun Control" is a firm grip, steady breathing, accurate aim (developed by lots of practice), and a slow trigger pull.


The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
We need to learn from the Swiss and implement their "gun control measures" here in the United States right now, today!
The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
Let's adopt THEIR LAWS !

Remember: Read Second Amendment: It’s Not About Hunting, IT'S ABOUT TYRANNY .
26 posted on 01/11/2013 4:49:07 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Right Wing Assault

The majority of crimes stopped by gun owner carrying a gun never have to draw their gun. They only have to let the criminal know they have a gun.


27 posted on 01/11/2013 4:50:46 PM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Well, even if people only have minimal training and still make mistakes, what does that tell us about their chances versus an armed criminal? The criminal probably didn’t have any training at all, and since they are likely carrying illegally, most of them are not putting in any range time. I’ve also seen some anecdotal data from police that show a lot of the firearms criminals use are non-functional, unreliable, or not even loaded.

So, considering that, even a guy with just a small amount of training is at least even odds with most criminals, probably having the edge, with surprise and all.


28 posted on 01/11/2013 4:56:59 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Right Wing Assault

Folks need to visit at least the first video to leave comments for “Ponyboy”......what a liberal jackiass.........


29 posted on 01/11/2013 5:02:05 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Total bull. I have drawn my gun in 5 different situations and each time I was able to protect myself.

Plus my friends and I were Airsoft players and got used to pulling and using our guns just as we would in a Real Life event. We trained in how to draw and point shoot and had very good results.


30 posted on 01/11/2013 5:03:49 PM PST by History Repeats (sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: Right Wing Assault

ABC News:

1. It ISN’T NEWS

2. POO TRAILS AND P!SS STAINS.

3. Commie pig propaganda.

4. Nuff said.


31 posted on 01/11/2013 5:08:52 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Already proven false.

Next.


32 posted on 01/11/2013 5:11:42 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Sine ullo desiderio vive et ama.... Carpe diem.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

in fact the reverse is true.

ccw gun owners, when they do use their weapon, hit fewer innocent bystanders than police do, they shoot less bullets on average than police do per incident, and they hit the criminal more often - they are on target - more than police.


33 posted on 01/11/2013 5:12:36 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Please, please, ABC,

Your position requires little, if any intellect.

Do not try thinking.

Leave that to adults.


34 posted on 01/11/2013 5:15:24 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Celerity
I didn’t watch the Part 2 that was posted in this thread, but I have seen this ABC piece of comedy.

Is this the video where they simply hand someone a weapon, NO TRAINING whatsoever, and then blame everyone in the world because things didn’t go smoothly ?

It's even worse than that. If you watch the video you will see that the "protector" is seated in the same place for each run through and that the shooter, immediately after going for the instructor, turns to the "protector".

In a real situation the "protector" could be seated anywhere and the shooter would need to identify them during the commotion of everyone running which would give that "protector" several additional seconds to take care of business.

It was a completely bogus setup and completely agenda driven.

35 posted on 01/11/2013 5:24:17 PM PST by Tucsonican
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To: sten

What is their solution? Call the police and wait for them to show up?


36 posted on 01/11/2013 5:31:38 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Right Wing Assault

Here’s a home defense story from earlier today. Not CCW but a happy ending with the mom putting five .38 slugs into the bad guy protecting herself and her two kids.

Listen to the 911 call if you have time.

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/20536626/911-call-released-in-loganville-home-invasion


37 posted on 01/11/2013 5:34:50 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Bathhouse Barry wants YOU to bend over for another four years)
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38 posted on 01/11/2013 5:35:47 PM PST by RedMDer (Those that believe in gun free zones should wear GUN FREE ZONE T-SHIRTS.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

So they don’t ever consider that maybe someone in the next classroom or down the hall might have a CCW?

From your description of a total lack of even a rudimentary tactical response by the supposed CCW holder, this is utter Bravo Sierra.


39 posted on 01/11/2013 5:40:37 PM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Pat Caddell called it. Do you believe it yet?

Pat Caddell slams the media: They have become an “enemy of the people” Sept. 29, 2012(video 26:00)

Emotional Pat Caddell on the MSM ignoring Benghazi: “These people have no honor!” Oct. 27, 2012 (video at link 4:06)

The Media are enemies of the people!

40 posted on 01/11/2013 5:46:40 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Obadiah

“Estes rocket engine strapped to an “exploding” pickup truck”

I had that truck years ago. As much as I explained to my mom they set it up, whenever I called she would ask “So how is your truck? I’m always so worried about you in that truck and it blowing up.” (seriously)


41 posted on 01/11/2013 5:47:40 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: Right Wing Assault

It’s getting comical.


42 posted on 01/11/2013 6:03:41 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Where did all the carjackers go right after passing Conceal Carry? Guess they didn’t get to watch these stupid BS videos.


43 posted on 01/11/2013 6:06:03 PM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Another use of indirection by the gun-grabbers.

According to DOJ crime statitistics, guns are used by private citizenz 2.5 million times per year to prevent violent crimes like rape, robbery, carjacking and home-invasion, 99% of the time without a shot being fired. (Source: GunFacts.info)

Fact is, most criminals are cowards who only pick on victims they believe to be defenseless. As soon as criminals discover that an intended victim is not defenseless, they run like Hell.

Case closed.

44 posted on 01/11/2013 6:06:32 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Did you hear about the mass shooting in a San Antonio theater a couple of weeks ago?

No?

That's because a CCW holder in the audience pulled out her concealed weapon and shot the shooter after he got off only one shot. End of discussion.

45 posted on 01/11/2013 6:10:19 PM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas

VPC stands for “The Violence Policy Center.”

http://www.vpc.org/aboutvpc.htm

from their site:

“The Violence Policy Center (VPC), a national tax-exempt 501(c)(3) non-profit organization based in Washington, DC, works to stop this annual toll of death and injury through research, advocacy, education, and collaboration. Firearms are the only consumer product not regulated by a federal agency for health and safety. ..... The VPC believes that the answer to reducing gun violence lies in applying the decades-long lessons of consumer product safety regulation and injury prevention to the gun industry and its products. This approach is detailed in our landmark 1994 publication Cease Fire: A Comprehensive Strategy to Reduce Firearms Violence.”

Among other things, they believe that gun ownership is declining. (!???)

and this:

“In 2009 the VPC released two studies—Iron River: Gun Violence and Illegal Firearms Trafficking on the U.S.-Mexico Border and Indicted: Types of Firearms and Methods of Gun Trafficking from the United States to Mexico as Revealed in U.S. Court Documents—focusing on the role played by America’s lax gun laws and the easy availability of military-style weaponry on the U.S. civilian gun market in helping feed cartel violence in Mexico.”

Draw your own conclusion as to who has an agenda and who is really living in La La land. Could the CCP “actors” be members or supporters of the VPC? It might be a nice investigation for someone in DC to find out who is in the videos.


46 posted on 01/11/2013 6:12:39 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Right Wing Assault

CCW came to Wisconsin just under two years ago. Those of us who have become licensed are, by a big majority, long time gun owners and shooters in hunting & recreation. We are comfortable being armed, will use the firearm responsibly and are more aware of our surroundings while armed. We are not cowboys or chumps who fumble with our holstered firearm.

This TV video is bunk and not representative of good folks armed under CCW rules.


47 posted on 01/11/2013 6:54:34 PM PST by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: Right Wing Assault

A straw-man presentation.

Using their logic, we should allow neither the military, nor the police access to weapons.

(which begs the question - why are their “bad guys” so good with guns?)


48 posted on 01/11/2013 7:13:50 PM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

There are many of us who don’t believe the BS the liberal media is spewing. Practiced CCW holders are a good thing to have around in a bad situation. The hoplophobes just don’t get it. I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy ;-)


49 posted on 01/11/2013 7:27:01 PM PST by toolman1401
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To: RicocheT

All great points you make. Hoplophobes believe the police are there to protect them and others with guns are just plain dangerous. The police carry those guns to protect themselves. When seconds count, they are only minutes away. They will be there after the incident is over to check on the forensic evidence and do paperwork. Only you are responsible for your own protection and those under your mantle of protection. A weapon is nothing more than a useful rescue tool and may be used for other sporting purposes.


50 posted on 01/11/2013 7:33:02 PM PST by toolman1401
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