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Military Update: Retirees not near bases to lose TRICARE Prime Oct. 1
Sierra Vista Herald ^ | Tom Philpott, Military Update

Posted on 01/12/2013 4:55:21 AM PST by SandRat

The military’s managed-care option — TRICARE Prime — will be ended Oct. 1 for retirees, their family members and for military survivors who reside more than 40 miles from a military treatment facility or from a base closure site, TRICARE Management Activity announced Wednesday.

Most of these 171,400 beneficiaries will need to shift health coverage from Prime to TRICARE Standard, the military’s fee-for-service health insurance option. For beneficiaries who use more than preventive health care during the year, the shift will mean higher out-of-pocket costs.

Defense officials expect the move to save the health care system up to $55 million a year.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: obama; tricare; veterans
Defense officials expect the move to save the health care system up to $55 million a year.

-- more like Obama hurting the military veterans, AGAIN!

1 posted on 01/12/2013 4:55:29 AM PST by SandRat
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To: Bride Of Old Sarge

Thought you’d be interested?


2 posted on 01/12/2013 5:00:35 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: SandRat
Insurance companies selling more because of the confusion and panic (justified imo) but putting less out and I predict;

ain't NUTHIN' gonn'a lower 'costs'

chip ...

chip .....

chip ........

3 posted on 01/12/2013 5:00:59 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: SandRat

I’m currently located over 100 miles from a base and retired so I use tricare standard anyway. If I understand correctly, using prime I would have had to go where they told me to go for service and that would be to a base hospital. I have a supplemental policy to cover the 25% not covered by tricare standard. Looks like a lot of folks will now have to do the same. The supplemental runs about $1000 a year for my wife and me.


4 posted on 01/12/2013 5:06:11 AM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: SandRat
I knew the number would be low. 171,000 retirees is it, that do not live near a base? That is a very predictable number. Most military personnel (myself included) live very close to a military base as it is where they are most comfortable since they lived near one for at least 20 years.
5 posted on 01/12/2013 5:06:11 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: SandRat

Again, it is what the people said , via their votes, they wanted.


6 posted on 01/12/2013 5:06:35 AM PST by sport
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To: SandRat

I think Obama’s plan is to end Tricare and move everyone into Obamacare. This is just part of his planned gradual phaseout.


7 posted on 01/12/2013 5:09:20 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: csmusaret

I will not be surprised to see the administration want all veterans to be in the VA hospital system and under VA managed care. More likely the DHS would like to use the VA hospital system as a model for a future government health system for the country. As such Could the DHS eventually be given the VA hospitals outright to “streamline and make efficient” veteran’s healthcare?
Holy crap! I might have something here.


8 posted on 01/12/2013 5:40:31 AM PST by Liaison
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To: SandRat

I sensed when I retired that Tricare would slowly erode and eventually be worthless. My wife and I have built our budget around the need to pay for private health insurance. Bitter? No, because us Vietnam veterans are use dim to our country saying “screw you,”

TC


9 posted on 01/12/2013 5:43:03 AM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: Liaison

I think they should go the opposite way. Close all VA medical facilities and enroll eligible vets in Tricare Prime.


10 posted on 01/12/2013 5:45:24 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: SandRat

I served in the military for 26 years, working and living in some of the worst $hitholes in the world. It is a damn shame that they are taking away my hard-earned benefits that were promised when I joined. And yet, illegal immigrants can get free medical care by walking into any hospital in the US. The government says it will save $55 million a year by doing this. I can think of a hundred other giveaway programs to lazy ass people who have never worked a day in their life that could be eliminated that would save more than $55 million. I defend my country and risk getting my ass shot off and this how they reward me? Our President should be tried for treason and the whole Administration should be put in prison.


11 posted on 01/12/2013 5:46:49 AM PST by ImNotLying (The MSM bears a close resemblance to the world's oldest profession!)
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To: csmusaret

You are correct on that. His long rang plan also includes bankrupting private hospitalization companies and establishing Federal Hospitalization insuance corporations like the post office and AMTrak. That is why AARP has been kissing his ass so much. They hope to be one of the corporations.


12 posted on 01/12/2013 5:48:43 AM PST by sport
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck
I sensed when I retired that Tricare would slowly erode and eventually be worthless.
Being a 'Nam vet, I would imagine you've been retired for quite some time and while your Tricare may have changed some, you still get a pretty good deal.
After my 3 year USMC "career," I worked almost 35 years for Kodak and just after I retired, the MFing SOBs pulled the plug on all retirees' life, dental and health insurances plus surviving spouse benefits.
P.S. If you ever flew missions up on the DMZ, you probably saved my life more than once. Thanks and Semper Fi ...
13 posted on 01/12/2013 5:58:23 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: SandRat
Because the money is going here. To people who haven't put their lives on the line for the country.

Waiting for inevitable calls of


in 3...2...1...

Riposte: there are blacks in the military, too, dipsh!t.

The issue is which set of citizens served in combat, and are getting shafted, vs. which set is being bribed for votes, despite being a net drain on the economy (the Obamaphone woman is a union member who was paid by the Obama campaign to protest and encourage others to sign up for free goodies).

14 posted on 01/12/2013 6:00:38 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: ImNotLying

I agree with your last sentence


15 posted on 01/12/2013 6:03:58 AM PST by 11th_VA (In the course of Human Events ...)
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To: csmusaret

I think you are correct. I remember articles stating they would raise premiums on our active service people, then offer very low costs to exit Tricare and join Obamacare. It will seem only logical to go with the much lower rates for Ocare—then those rates will go up dramatically after a couple of years. I warned my loved ones not to change even though it will seem like the “prudent” thing to do.


16 posted on 01/12/2013 6:07:22 AM PST by Reb Raider
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To: oh8eleven

Many, many CAS missions there. There was this one night Recon Extraction that went South on us...

tC


17 posted on 01/12/2013 6:23:37 AM PST by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: grey_whiskers

The $55 million a year being saved would cover less than 10% of the $750 million lost annually to food stamp fraud. http://www.registercitizen.com/articles/2013/01/11/opinion/doc50f0e504891ba407564268.txt Of course, the actual amount of EBT fraud is likely to run in the billions: $750 million is what program officials are willing to own up to....


18 posted on 01/12/2013 6:25:08 AM PST by DrC
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To: ImNotLying

I agree with you. It’s like the nobama administration is “taking care of” veterans just like the mob enforcers “take care of” someone late on their payments. ALL of these criminals need brought to justice.


19 posted on 01/12/2013 6:34:05 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: SandRat
55 million?

Gosh! That means 3 more vacations for the Empress. Guess one every three weeks or so isn't enough.

vaudine

20 posted on 01/12/2013 6:46:01 AM PST by vaudine
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To: SandRat

Then why when we are clearing do they give us the option to pay the premium for Tricare Prime? I don’t plan to be near a base but would like to keep Prime.

I guess the old acronym is right again.

BOHICA


21 posted on 01/12/2013 6:50:26 AM PST by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: saganite

What company are you using for the supplement?

I have Standard and like the freedom, whereas Prime is more like an HMO to me.


22 posted on 01/12/2013 6:51:52 AM PST by Hulka
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To: SandRat
This is disgusting. Just as disgusting as Bararf Obammy.

FMCDH(BITS)

23 posted on 01/12/2013 7:08:28 AM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: Liaison

VA hospitals are disgusting places of filth and pain and third-world “care” and staffed with thid-world staff.

Here is my VA horror experience (WARNING, long post):

I was in Long Beach for a business trip. I started to feel terrible and went to the nearest Emergency Room, the VA ER. I went to reception to check-in and was handed the usual papers to fill out and told to take a seat.

I was wired up and running a fever of 102. After being fed antibiotics and other drugs for 8-hrs, I began to feel better and was released. With one hand holding release papers and antibiotics in the other hand, I departed for a small corporate studio apartment for rest.

I soon found myself in worse shape, more pain and with new symptoms. I returned to VA and waited for the doctor.

The doctor examined me and said he was going to give me different antibiotics and send me home. I told the doctor I was beginning to REALLY feel bad and perhaps he should check my temperature again and check my prostate. As you know, men usually don’t ask for “the check.”

After sneering (yes, sneering) at me and saying he doesn’t take temperatures, he said he would try and find a nurse to do so. She took my temperature (102.5). Next the doc did the prostate exam. OUCH!!! This is not good and I was whisked into an isolation room. Thus began my nightmare with the VA hospital. (I had MRSA).

I noticed if I hit the “call” button at night it took a very long time for anyone to respond. And when others would hit the buzzer, I clearly could hear the buzzer alarm go off and ring on and on and on and no one would respond.

It was during the night shift I met “Nurse Ratchet” from One Flew Over the Coo-Coos Nest.

One early morning I woke up because I was due another dose of morphine, I waited for the nurse to arrive with my medication. I eventually went back to dozing. I woke up because the pain was increasing and my morphine was nowhere to be found and over-due.

I hit the call button. After nearly 10-minutes I got up, leaned on my IV-tree and went to my door and stood there. I observed the nurses’ station. It was empty. After a few more minutes “Nurse Ratchet” arrived and turned off the buzzer at the nurses’ station. I said I needed my morphine. She gave me a “surly” look and blandly told me she would get it. I waited. After a while, Nurse Ratchet came back with morphine for my IV. As she was giving me morphine I asked for my vicodin as it was also now due.

Nurse Ratchet mumbled something about getting another nurse and left. 15-minutes later, no one came. I hobbled to my door and saw just one guy sitting at the nurse’s station. He was a good RN and he asked what I needed and I told him. He got up and looked down a hallway behind the nurses’ station and saw Nurse Ratchet. He asked if she would get my (now over-due) pain meds. She doesn’t get up and hollers at him that she told Nurse So-and-So to get my meds.

Nurse So-and-So, in a room down the hall, heard Nurse Ratchet and hollered that she told Nurse Ratchet that she was working one-on-one with a patient and could not leave her patient. Apparently, Nurse Ratchet thinks merely passing word absolves her of any responsibility.

I waited in my door expecting Nurse Ratchet to arrive but many minutes later, she is still missing. I stepped outside my room and peeked down the hallway. I see Nurse Ratchet sitting at a computer with her feet up on the desk! I am overdue pain meds, in pain, and she is just sitting there.

After about another 5-min, Nurse Ratchet slowly emerges from the hallway and blandly asks what I want (like she didn’t know). I said my pain medication, vicodin. Not saying a word, she turns slowly and casually walks back down the hall. A few minutes later a different nurse arrives and administers the vicodin.

According to several nurses, Nurse Ratchet was known to be a “bad” nurse but the VA being the VA, she can’t be fired (and she is one of Obama’s “sisters”, like 90% of VA nurses).

Bad nurses mean pain, discomfort and possibly even death.

I used the shower twice. Showers are not in the room, a bathroom is not in the room. The showers are communal!!

First shower: I found two stalls. Both had visible mildew on the walls. Ugh. I also noticed small black gnats flying in the showers. Then I saw that other patients bandages on the hand-holds on the wall. The showers looked like a third-world environment.

Days later, second shower: I found the stalls still had mildew, small black gnats flying and the exact same bandages were on the hand-holds!

After a few days I needed a change of hospital garb and asked for new PJs. A nurse’s aide delivered the tops and bottoms and I put them on, only to find many snaps on the shirt were missing and it was torn. I took the shirt off, went to the nurse’s aide and gave her the unusable shirt and asked for another. She gave me a new shirt.

Now a couple of days later, I need another change and I discover that after I put a new PJ shirt on, it is the SAME top with the missing snaps and torn fabric. The nurses aid took the original torn snap-less shirt, that I had on, a person with MRSA, and returned it to the linen closet for re-issue to other patients. .which turned out to be me.

I was identified as a MRSA patient, I had worn the shirt and it was unhealthy to just place it back in the linen closet for re-issue——you and I know that but NOT the VA, or more likely, they just don’t care. I gave back the PJ top and told the nurse’s aide to get a new shirt and to toss the other shirt in the trash.

A few days go by I need another change. I ask for new PJs and, yes, I was given the same shirt that I turned back previously. I told the nurse’s aide to trash the shirt and give me another one. She obtained another shirt and after she left my room I went to my door and watched as she opened the linen closet and tossed my previously worn, unserviceable and MRSA infected shirt in the linen closet for re-issue to other patients.

One evening early in my stay, a nurse came into my room and saw I still had a measure of medicine remaining in the IV bag. The nurse was impatient and squeezed hard the bag to “finish” the medicine. When the bag was squeezed my forearm with the IV in it exploded in pain and a knot several inches long appeared under my skin where the influx of medicine flooded in.

Throughout my stay it became clear NO ONE CARED and when I raised objections they responded to my comments with, “not my area” or “what can you expect” or “call the patient advocate.”

I was moved from my single-occupancy room to a room where I shared with three others. I was moved to a multi-occupancy room with three OLD guys, with one clearly dieing. The beds were less than am arms length apart. No privacy. No HIPA protections at all.

Nurses and doctors had to suit-up prior to entering my isolation/single room and when I was moved to the multi-occupancy room the staff put up a “suit-up before entering” sign outside the room. . .apparently I was still a threat. Seems logical that I would share a room with other sick people. Right? After all, THEY didn’t need to suit-up. Right?

Early one morning I got up to urinate in my urine container and missed. I was sick, after all. I went on the floor next to my bed. (I was at that time sharing a room with three other patients, so close that when I stretched my arm it hit the bed next to me).

Embarrassed, I went and found a (sleeping) nurse and told her. She came back to my room with a few towels and threw them on the floor and left. I sat on my bed, wondering when housekeeping would arrive to clean/disinfect the floor. Much time passed.

I went out and found the (again, sleeping) nurse and asked when we can expect housekeeping. Incredibly, she, a NURSE, asked, “Why?”

I told her that the floor needs to be disinfected because doctors and nurses and others would be in and out, tracking throughout my room and the hospital whatever they pick up from my floor.

Her answer was “Housekeeping won’t come this early.”

Goodness. I was diagnosed as having MRSA and related medical issues and “they” won’t come and clean the floor?

I pointed out the risks associated with having the nurses walking through the remnants of my urine on the floor and that this places risk to other patients and staff. The nurse was unmoved.

I waited until I saw a cleaning lady and asked her to disinfect the floor. She was a Russian immigrant and was the ONLY hard-worker I ever met at the VA. She also despised the VA nurses for their sloth.

The eventually doctors came by and told me I was now released. Paperwork was quickly done, medications issued and I departed. I was told to return for a follow up visit the following Friday. Like heck I would.

Later that evening the doctors called me at the corporate apartment and told me to get back to the hospital immediately for admission to be treated, via IV-drip. . I apparently was still in deep do-do over the MRSA.

I told the doctors I was NOT going back into VA because they would kill me with their “care.”

The doctors were adamant about my returning immediately but I would not budge. I knew from first-hand experience just how horrible the conditions were at VA, too include how risky it is to patients like me, with compromised immune systems and other ailments. Moreover, I was not going to subject myself to further abuse by staff.

I verified with the doctors that while I had MRSA I was not contagious. I then booked the first flight out of the Long Beach VA hospital to Texas to go to a private hospital for professional, clean and attentive care.

I entered a Texas hospital for 9-day’s of great in-patient treatment. The facility in Texas was wonderful, a single room, CLEAN, en-suite with shower, flat-screen TV and internet (all the stuff the VA did not have). The staff was courteous and attentive.

I filed a formal VA IG complaint and yes, “they” turned the investigation over to the VA hospital administrator of the very hospital I was at. The same VA administrator that refused to accept from me a written complaint of the abuse and terrible “care” I was subjected to!!!

She found no problem with her hospital, of course.

Welcome to the future under Obama “care.”

Make The Messiah be subjected to government health “care” like that and maybe he will get an idea just how bad the government can screw up the worlds best medical care.


24 posted on 01/12/2013 7:20:12 AM PST by Hulka
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck
I sensed when I retired that Tricare would slowly erode and eventually be worthless. My wife and I have built our budget around the need to pay for private health insurance. Bitter? No, because us Vietnam veterans are use dim to our country saying “screw you,”

When I was stationed at Ft Polk about 20 years ago, I was waiting for an eye appointment at the hospital.

While waiting, in shuffled this old gent, maybe around 80, up to the desk. He was complaining of vision problems and an occasional headache. They told him they had no way to get him in to be seen. But they did give him an appointment that was A YEAR AWAY!!!

As he left, I got up and pulled him aside and told him that if it got any worse to just come into the emergency room.

As a young troop that was my first "eye-opening" experience to the Army's promise of "lifetime health care".

25 posted on 01/12/2013 7:51:02 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Bathhouse Barry wants YOU to bend over for another four years)
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To: ImNotLying

“I defend my country and risk getting my ass shot off and this how they reward me?”

Are you saying you joined the military because of the expectation for reward?


26 posted on 01/12/2013 7:57:00 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: SandRat

Somebody needs to sacrifice if we are going to keep 40 million people on food stamps. Right?


27 posted on 01/12/2013 7:59:08 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: SandRat
$55 million a year

Hey, that's like 3 Obama vacations!

28 posted on 01/12/2013 8:25:22 AM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: SandRat

Thanks a bunch you scum sucking 0 bummer voters. I hope you and your stupid master all rot in he!!. Saving $55 million a year while not doing a thing to stop all the fraud with the EBT cards used at porn shops, liquor stores, etc., and giving away more 0 bummer phones.

This is what I get for almost 40 years in the military. This will really tick off a lot of retirees. I am sending this via email to all retirees and some friends who are still serving.


29 posted on 01/12/2013 9:21:03 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (0 bummer inherited a worse economy in 2012 than he did in 2008.)
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To: ImNotLying

Put the prison on Devil’s Island.


30 posted on 01/12/2013 10:47:25 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Hulka

I hope that my original sarcastic post did not cause too much stirring of the pot but it is a possibility that I would not like to see.

I am sorry that you had a bad time at the VA. There have been too many bad stories that outweigh the good ones. Since I am a member of the VA system I know how good and bad that place can be. I sat in the VA ER a few times for sickness and injury for myself and quite a few times for my father.

I do see that the future could be a worse version of the VA system or Hospital in Britain. The possibility of the the government take over of public hospitals could arise if the government becomes the only healthcare insurance provider of the county when they run out the rest of the private companies. single payer system will mean single payer of funds and there for indirectly or directly control through reimbursement of funds and direct what they will pay for limiting choice of medical care. I have more to say but I will get off the soapbox now.


31 posted on 01/12/2013 8:04:50 PM PST by Liaison
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