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Take steps to reduce gun violence (barf alert)
Milwaukee J-S ^ | 12 jan 2013

Posted on 01/12/2013 7:13:59 AM PST by rellimpank

As we reflect on 2012, there were a number of gun-related incidents that made many of us outraged. The senseless shootings at the movie theater in Aurora, Colo.; the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin shootings in Oak Creek; and, most recently, the shootings in Newtown, Conn., that took the lives of innocent children and their teachers.

Quite often, gun violence has been associated with urban central city neighborhoods, and it is true that urban violence is much too prevalent. For example, both locally and nationally, in some African-American neighborhoods, we have black males killing other black males with guns in alarming numbers.

However, most of the high-profile mass shootings have occurred in smaller suburban communities, where violent crime is typically low. The point is, with easy access to guns, gun violence can happen anywhere.

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--to his credit , the author does mention the racial component of the domestic homicide rate--
1 posted on 01/12/2013 7:14:07 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

>> in some African-American neighborhoods, we have black males killing other black males with guns in alarming numbers.

Some?!? He may be acknowledging the elephant in the room, but he’s claiming that its just a Chihauhua.


2 posted on 01/12/2013 7:31:08 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: rellimpank

Citizens die in car accidents too.

Most deadly car accidents are caused by ‘impaired’ people driving between midnight and 5 AM ...

Are liberals asking innocent drivers to give up their cars to stop drunks?

Same with guns - it’s NOT the innocent gun owner that’s causing the problem ... It’s not the innocent guy driving his car to work... Deadly accidents happen at night - usually caused by bad people. Cars and guns.


3 posted on 01/12/2013 7:31:35 AM PST by GOPJ (Obama GAVE guns to Mexican drug lords...Now he wants to TAKE our guns? It's wrong.)
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To: rellimpank
For example, both locally and nationally, in some African-American neighborhoods, we have black males killing other black males with guns in alarming numbers.

Guess what, those same black males are also beating, raping, and killing whites in alarming numbers.

Remove black perp crime from the statistics and the United States magically becomes one of the safest countries on Earth. Although I will grant that crazy white males have a penchant for being serial killers and mass shooters.

So maybe, just maybe, we could have an open discussion about addressing thuggery in the black culture and psychopaths in the white culture.

4 posted on 01/12/2013 7:38:32 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: rellimpank
Ralph Hollmon is president and CEO of the Milwaukee Urban League.

'Nuff said.

5 posted on 01/12/2013 7:38:58 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: rellimpank

These anti-gun people are so uncreative. It’s the same half century old solutions that we know don’t work.


6 posted on 01/12/2013 7:40:40 AM PST by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: GOPJ
Most deadly car accidents are caused by ‘impaired’ people driving between midnight and 5 AM ...

Nope. Most fatal accidents occur during evening rush hour: 5178.

Only 2069 fatal accidents occurred between midnight and 6 am, 3/4 of which (1,466) were alcohol-related.

The reason, of course, is that there are a lot more cars on the road at 4 pm than 4 am.

I'm sure there is a greater percentage of fatal accidents after midnight of all cars on the road at that time, but not a greater raw number.

http://coverhound.com/blog/post/what-time-of-day-do-most-accidents-occur

7 posted on 01/12/2013 7:41:57 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Poorly worded.

The chance of being involved in a fatal accident per mile driven is no doubt much greater after midnight.

But there are a lot more total fatal accidents from 3 pm to 9 pm than from midnight to 6 am.


8 posted on 01/12/2013 7:46:46 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: rellimpank; Bryanw92
to his credit , the author does mention the racial component of the domestic homicide rate

He probably got a dressing down for this, and moved to the top of the lay off list when the next round hits.

9 posted on 01/12/2013 8:37:46 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The Liberal ruling class hates me. The feeling is mutual.)
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“The Gun Is Civilization”

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force . If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it .

In a truly moral and civilized society , people exclusively interact through persuasion . Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may

sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force .

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by

legislative fiat - it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly .

Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force, watch too much TV , where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier, works solely in favor of the weaker defender,

not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply would not work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded . I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... And that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act !!

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never

forced !!


10 posted on 01/12/2013 8:38:42 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Hardastarboard

>>He probably got a dressing down for this, and moved to the top of the lay off list when the next round hits.

Not just layed-off, but in the ultimate irony, he’s going on a blacklist!


11 posted on 01/12/2013 8:45:09 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: rellimpank
Please share with your liberal friends.


12 posted on 01/12/2013 9:58:12 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SampleMan

Robert Ressler of the FBI wrote a book about serial killer statistics. In it, he quotes that blacks make up 20% of serial killers, far above their numbers in the general population.


13 posted on 01/12/2013 1:49:24 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: rellimpank
Take steps to reduce gun violence
Certainly, reducing gun violence, other things being equal, would be a good thing. But that might be accomplished in ways which would not be a good thing. For example, gun violence would undoubtedly be reduced if you made murder/mayhem without a gun legal. That would undoubtedly reduce the gun violence while it increased the non-gun violence exponentially.
So exactly why is the topic gun violence only???
Is it the fact that gun violence, or the threat of it, is more democratic than mayhem at which requires youth and strength?

14 posted on 01/12/2013 1:57:58 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Amberdawn
Robert Ressler of the FBI wrote a book about serial killer statistics. In it, he quotes that blacks make up 20% of serial killers, far above their numbers in the general population.

Not that I can challenge that, but I don't recall any big name serial killers that were black (in the States).

15 posted on 01/12/2013 3:09:20 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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That’s the media’s way, isn’t it?

http://bossip.com/699850/not-white-men-only-list-of-most-horrific-black-serial-killers-video/


16 posted on 01/12/2013 3:18:30 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: SampleMan

That’s the media’s way, isn’t it?

http://bossip.com/699850/not-white-men-only-list-of-most-horrific-black-serial-killers-video/


17 posted on 01/12/2013 3:19:29 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: SampleMan

www.practicalhomicide.com/Research/BlacksexSerKillers.doc


18 posted on 01/12/2013 3:24:46 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn

Thanks for the link. As you imply, relying on the media for information is like looking at the world through a straw.


19 posted on 01/12/2013 3:59:48 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Sherman Logan
The reason, of course, is that there are a lot more cars on the road at 4 pm than 4 am. I'm sure there is a greater percentage of fatal accidents after midnight of all cars on the road at that time, but not a greater raw number.

More kids are killed in Chicago too - (sheer numbers) but then the propaganda machines are us and running it's dead white children that are used as excuses for draconian gun control... Thanks for correcting me Sherman - I knew there were more accidents during rush hour but I thought deaths were higher at night. Sometimes I'm wrong... happens... :)

20 posted on 01/13/2013 11:52:30 AM PST by GOPJ (Obama GAVE guns to Mexican drug lords...Now he wants to TAKE our guns? It's wrong.)
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To: GOPJ

What you said sounded logical, but I looked up the stats to check it.

I try to avoid falling prey to the “too good to check” syndrome. :)


21 posted on 01/13/2013 12:47:42 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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