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Ohio school board unanimously votes to place armed CUSTODIANS in their K-12 schools
MailOnline (uk) ^ | 11 January, 2013 | Nina Golgowski

Posted on 01/12/2013 7:39:41 AM PST by marktwain

An Ohio school board has unanimously voted to place armed custodians on their k-12 campus in an effort to better protect their students from a future mass shooting.

Following Wednesday's believed unprecedented 5-0 vote in the state, four male janitors were the first to volunteer to arm themselves with their own handguns on the rural Montpelier campus, the Toledo Blade reports.

The vote will permit only non-teaching employees to carry the firearms on the campus, so long as they complete a weapons training course.

'It's kind of a sign of the times,' Superintendent Jamies Grime said on Friday.

The move comes as districts and lawmakers across the nation weigh how to protect students following the December school massacre in Newtown, Connecticut.

The school board's legal counsel accompanied the vote, Mr Grime told the Blade, who advised Ohio’s gun law which allows school boards to authorize employees to possess weapons on school grounds, should they pass the requirements of the concealed-carry law.

The school's decision would not be the first, at least in the country, however.

A school district in Harrold, Texas has allowed its teachers and other employees to carry weapons on campus since 2007, reports the New York Daily News.

Following the December shooting in Newtown, school districts in Oklahoma, Missouri, Minnesota, South Dakota and Oregon are also considering similar gun safety amendments.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; janitor; oh; schoolshooting; secondamendment
This makes considerable sense.
1 posted on 01/12/2013 7:40:01 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
I didn't see this on the morning news.
Funny how the networks decide what is newsworthy.
2 posted on 01/12/2013 7:46:01 AM PST by RightField (one of the obstreperous citizens insisting on incorrect thinking - C. Krauthamer)
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To: marktwain

I’ve said it all along. If you want armed personnel, nobody is better than a janitor.

They’re generally pretty unobtrusive, they have access to all areas, and they know their way around a school like no one else.


3 posted on 01/12/2013 7:47:44 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: RightField

Isn’t it interesting that we get more news on the subject from a British paper.


4 posted on 01/12/2013 7:48:53 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

My only question is what is the difference if the person carrying the gun is a teaching or non-teaching person? If they are trained in handling so what? Methinks the teachers, probably the union, have said they would rather die than touch one of those instruments from Hell.


5 posted on 01/12/2013 7:49:25 AM PST by ProudFossil (" I never did give anyone hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell." Harry Truman)
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To: cripplecreek

It is a very good idea, even if I think it would be even better to allow all armed citizens to carry in the schools.


6 posted on 01/12/2013 7:52:14 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

When I went to Catholic school xx years ago, we would bring our guns to school so that we would be ready for our fathers to pick us up at 3:00pm and head to Northern Michigan for either pheasant, rabbit or deer season.

The season would dictate the weapon.

The nuns would take our guns, put a label on them, and stack them in the corner.

Adam Lanza would not stand a chance against a trained 12 year old with a 30.06.

No guards necessary.


7 posted on 01/12/2013 7:55:32 AM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: marktwain
Great sense, as dedicated security guards will be 99.99999% inefficient and will almost certainly be bottom of the barrel security folks who end ups sitting in the same chair all day long.

An armed janitor will never be in a predictable location, but always close at hand. They will also be 100% efficient for the school. We now live in a union mindset country, where single-tasking is the norm.

8 posted on 01/12/2013 7:57:59 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Mikey_1962

In the 80s (Also Michigan) we had to leave ours locked in our cars if we drove. They couldn’t go on the bus so a parent had to bring us and the gun would be left in the principals office for the day.

No shootings have ever occurred at that school.


9 posted on 01/12/2013 7:58:59 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ProudFossil

Mrs. Bears is an elementary school teacher and has done a complete 180 on arming teachers. We’re going to the gun show next weekend to look for a carry pistol with pink grips.

Personally, I think making firearm training and a CCW permit conditions of employment would go a long way toward weeding liberals out of public education.


10 posted on 01/12/2013 7:59:16 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: cripplecreek
They’re generally pretty unobtrusive, they have access to all areas, and they know their way around a school like no one else.

You are absolutely right. Mr. RightField has taught high school for 45 years and knows the value of respecting and maintaining a good relationship with the custodians and the food service people. It is always a win-win situation.

11 posted on 01/12/2013 7:59:16 AM PST by RightField (one of the obstreperous citizens insisting on incorrect thinking - C. Krauthamer)
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To: marktwain

Those were the first words that popped into my head.

Finally, a common sense solution.

Too bad common sense isn’t.


12 posted on 01/12/2013 7:59:37 AM PST by onona (KCCO, and mind the gap)
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To: SampleMan

Excellent Point !!!


13 posted on 01/12/2013 8:01:01 AM PST by onona (KCCO, and mind the gap)
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To: SampleMan

Janitors always have their cart handy which makes a great place for a mobile gun safe. (Its unlikely that they’ll be walking around with a gun in a holster.)


14 posted on 01/12/2013 8:02:45 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: marktwain
. . . I think it would be even better to allow all armed citizens to carry in the schools.

Sort of a "don't ask, don't tell" approach. If the bad guys don't know who is armed in a school, they are less likely to open fire.

15 posted on 01/12/2013 8:04:02 AM PST by RightField (one of the obstreperous citizens insisting on incorrect thinking - C. Krauthamer)
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To: marktwain

After watching the teachers unions in action in Wisconsin, Ohio, Minnesota and other places, I think it is a much better idea to arm the janitors than the teachers


16 posted on 01/12/2013 8:04:02 AM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: cripplecreek

As it should be.


17 posted on 01/12/2013 8:08:39 AM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: RightField

Unfortunately the janitor is a long time target of Hollywood for painting as the buffoon.

In my experience they’re some of the most solid common sense minds in a school building or anywhere else. (I did a few years as a school janitor myself)


18 posted on 01/12/2013 8:09:13 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: marktwain

Huffington Post is calling this a “risky decision.” Could that be because leftwing elites hold working class people in contempt? Surely a stupid JANITOR can’t be trusted with a gun.

Morons.


19 posted on 01/12/2013 8:11:28 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: marktwain
This makes considerable sense.

I believe we are playing right into the hands of the marxists. Another bloated government agency to feed.

This is going to be like the homeland security mess all over again. Incompetent union thugs carrying guns and a lots of red tape. Maybe some laid off DMV or postal workers paid by the federal government and supervised by radical school teachers. Look 20 years in the future and imagine what could go wrong.

20 posted on 01/12/2013 8:11:35 AM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: marktwain

The janitor at my elementary school used to double as our recess monitor. He was such a good man, he would have definitely taken a bullet to protect us, and he would surely like to have the ability to return fire if it would have come to that.


21 posted on 01/12/2013 8:12:06 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: onona

René Descartes said: “Common sense is not so common.” in 1637 AD.


22 posted on 01/12/2013 8:13:19 AM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

One of the reasons I liked “Scrubs” was the fact that the janitor was one of the smartest people in the hospital.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My5BQTKsa0w


23 posted on 01/12/2013 8:15:08 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

LOL...”Nobody was thanking me so I quit cleaning them.”

In a brains contest, I’ll pick the janitor over union teachers every time.


24 posted on 01/12/2013 8:28:44 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: marktwain

Good idea. Custodians know the building. They know the routine. Their minds are not preoccupied with teaching. Most are men.


25 posted on 01/12/2013 8:32:45 AM PST by I want the USA back (NRA Life member.)
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To: RightField

Agreed. You don’t have to “arm” anyone. Just repeal the killing zone creation law known as the Gun Free School Zones Act and allow those who want to carry do so. No killer will know who is or isn’t armed...like it’s supposed to be.


26 posted on 01/12/2013 8:32:51 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: marktwain

“The Gun Is Civilization”

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force . If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it .

In a truly moral and civilized society , people exclusively interact through persuasion . Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may

sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force .

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by

legislative fiat - it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed.

People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly .

Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.

People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force, watch too much TV , where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier, works solely in favor of the weaker defender,

not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply would not work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded . I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... And that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act !!

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret.)

So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never

forced !!


27 posted on 01/12/2013 8:48:04 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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28 posted on 01/12/2013 9:01:09 AM PST by RedMDer (Those that believe in gun free zones should wear GUN FREE ZONE T-SHIRTS.)
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To: oldbrowser
Another bloated government agency to feed.

What other bloated government agency?

The NRA is calling for placing armed guards in schools. THAT would be another bloated government agency. This proposal arms the custodians that are already there at no extra cost.

29 posted on 01/12/2013 9:47:41 AM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: marktwain

In other campus news, littering is down considerably.


30 posted on 01/12/2013 10:11:18 AM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: marktwain

I’ve been suggesting exactly this for some time. An armed custodian would be the perfect foil for an active shooter.

Custodians know every inch of the school, they’re unobtrusive yet omnipresent and most are men and/or veterans. (I hadn’t considered placing a small gun safe in the custodian’s cart, but that makes perfect sense.)

A custodian is ALWAYS on hand if the school is open, from the doors being unlocked in the morning to the school basketball team playing a night game.

Another side benefit is that the custodian rarely enters the classroom when students are present. A teacher carrying in the classroom would either have to wear a holster or lock the gun in her desk, both of which might raise issues with the students.

The cost savings would be substantial. An official armed guard (or detail police officer) would have to be paid a separate salary, while the custodian could just do his regular job while also serving as a Minuteman for the school. (I’m sure there would be a stipend for his additional role, but nothing like the cost of hiring two or more shifts of cops or armed guards per day, per school. Of course the school would pay for any training required.)

Finally, I’d suggest the school superintendent keep this arrangement quiet. Parents might freak out at the thought of a sheepdog in amongst their little lambs, but no news is good news in this case.


31 posted on 01/12/2013 10:19:09 AM PST by DNME (Without the Constitution, there is no legitimate U.S. government. Period.)
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To: Washi
This proposal arms the custodians that are already there at no extra cost.

I can agree with this proposal. If kept at a local level it would be a good solution.

32 posted on 01/12/2013 11:10:56 AM PST by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: Arm_Bears
Lady Smith


33 posted on 01/12/2013 11:24:10 AM PST by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: marktwain

God bless the janitors! Good move.


34 posted on 01/12/2013 12:57:01 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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