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Hannity foresees states leaving union
Daily Caller ^ | 1-11-13 | Jeff Poor

Posted on 01/12/2013 9:25:17 AM PST by Mozilla

On his Friday radio show, conservative talker and Fox News host Sean Hannity warned that the United States may fall apart if tax rates remain high.

“The states are now fighting and battling against their own federal government,” Hannity said. ”Same thing with individuals. If you live in a state like New York, New Jersey, California [or] one of these high-tax states [where] 60-plus cents of every dollar goes to taxes, you’ll say, ‘What the hell am I doing this for?’”

“A lot of people have told me that,” Hannity continued. “A lot of people are moving. … I noticed that Bobby Jindal moved to remove his state income tax. He’s not stupid. You know what’s going to happen in Louisiana? The same thing that is happening in Texas and Florida — their populations are soaring. They’re doing a lot better. State governments are fine. They’re surviving. They don’t have the property taxes they do in New York, which is obscene. In New York, you just pay and pay and pay and pay.”

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“People that are fed up with a power hungry, radicalized, abusive federal government intruding into every aspect of our lives,” Hannity continued. “People are going to say they’re fed up, and states are going to want more liberty and more freedom. They’re not going to want to tax their citizens to death anymore. If this pattern continues and gets worse and worse and worse, I can see at some point the states saying, ‘Forget it. I don’t want to be a part of this union anymore.’”

Hannity rejected the idea that secession is necessarily a “radical concept,” arguing that the Declaration of Independence is itself a “radical document.”

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Full Title is Hannity foresees states leaving union if federal government continues ‘radicalized, abusive’ pattern.
1 posted on 01/12/2013 9:25:21 AM PST by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

And he’s probably right too.


2 posted on 01/12/2013 9:26:38 AM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Mozilla

don’t place much stock in Hannity anymore.


3 posted on 01/12/2013 9:27:44 AM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: Mozilla

Can only hope several states have the gumption, but the WH has told secession petitioners that there is no right to secession, so, there, the “one”, the only Barack Hussein Obama has spoken.


4 posted on 01/12/2013 9:29:36 AM PST by izzatzo
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To: WKUHilltopper

Well, then...maybe instead of mollycoddling every friggin liberal he’s had on his show (Lieberman, et al) and playing the part of “the loyal opposition” during interviews and endlessly repeating milquetoast talking points afterwards, he should be deciding if he’s part of the conservative revolt or not. The first clue is the mansion he’s built on Long Island, his wonder family-driven lifestyle, etc.

Honestly, I quit listening to him a while back....He’s not down for the struggle as THE BARACK would say; he’s down for the money.


5 posted on 01/12/2013 9:30:51 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Mozilla

Obama and his gang have already divided America into two seperate countries. We might as well make it official.


6 posted on 01/12/2013 9:33:51 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Impeach Obama Now.)
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To: Mozilla

Personally I think too many people believe they have a future forecasting crystal ball that will keep them elevated above others.


7 posted on 01/12/2013 9:33:55 AM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: Mozilla

New York is insane with taxes. I am so delighted I left that hellhole.


8 posted on 01/12/2013 9:36:55 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: izzatzo
... WH has told secession petitioners that there is no right to secession ...

The Civil War determined that the States have no right to secession.

Whether or not the drafters and signers of the Constitution intended for the States to retain the right to secede is pretty much moot.

9 posted on 01/12/2013 9:37:34 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: Mozilla
in Texas and Florida — their populations are soaring.

Soaring jam packed populations, with Muslim owned greedy marts on every corner, is a good thing!

10 posted on 01/12/2013 9:37:45 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Gaffer

I agree he’s a mollycoddler and mouthpiece of RINOs many times. But I think push is coming to shove irrespective of what he is saying.


11 posted on 01/12/2013 9:39:15 AM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: txnativegop

Same here....especially since he came out for amnesty. He’s “evolved”, you know.


12 posted on 01/12/2013 9:39:32 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: txnativegop

I wonder who whispered this in his ear. I don’t think he has ever had an original thought.


13 posted on 01/12/2013 9:41:47 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: WKUHilltopper
Oh, I certainly agree with you that something is coming. I’m hoping wonderful.

My only comment is that I don’t need a frigging RINO faux conservative like Hannity to tell me about it. I see the underlying causes everyday.

It is very unlikely that Hannity sees anything of the sort during his celebrated Long Island Mansion existence with the chauferred forays into Manhattan for his shows. He lost half of his audience after the election. People realized there was no "there, there" I'm one of them and will remain so.

14 posted on 01/12/2013 9:46:38 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Mozilla

It could only work if states were able to control their borders, unlike the feds.

That way after a state bails the union you wouldn’t have all the filth from other states piling in.


15 posted on 01/12/2013 9:47:45 AM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Audience, media adulation, “open to discussion”, open to lining his pockets, open to enlarging his audience....all that....but no real conviction...just money and power.


16 posted on 01/12/2013 9:48:25 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Mozilla

Depending on which states formally announce secession, I could be moving there.


17 posted on 01/12/2013 9:53:57 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Mozilla

I said it here a couple of years ago and I definately see this coming.. It is NOT 1861, and we won’t have an open conflict and resulting hostilities and battles.

I fully expect Texas, Arizona, Utah, the Dakotas, to ramp up the conversation concerning seccession.


18 posted on 01/12/2013 9:59:05 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: Lazamataz

NY taxes you every time you hit it!


19 posted on 01/12/2013 9:59:14 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Mozilla
Hannity foresees states leaving union

Hannity also foresaw President Romney.

20 posted on 01/12/2013 10:00:45 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Mozilla

There will be dissolution, but not before bankruptcy and systemic collapse.


21 posted on 01/12/2013 10:02:01 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: Gaffer

Agreed.


22 posted on 01/12/2013 10:02:39 AM PST by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Yeah, I am not much impressed by him.


23 posted on 01/12/2013 10:04:16 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: Mozilla

Seems to me there was a entire war about this—and the secessionists lost bigtime. Rant and rave all you want,
this is not the answer.


24 posted on 01/12/2013 10:10:06 AM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

“Obama and his gang have already divided America into two seperate countries.”

We always were IMO, since Jamestown and Plymouth. When we can agree to disagree we can still travel together. The modern left won’t allow that however. Utopians will not tolerate dissent, as it ruins a nice uniform Utopia.


25 posted on 01/12/2013 10:12:19 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: izzatzo

Years back a Russian political scientist said that the USA would break into several nations—up to five. I saw this as sour grapes after the break up of the USSR, but Now I am not so sure. Maybe he was on to something ans the whole fabric of the USA will be changed. Hawaii becomes a kingdom again, Alaska becomes a Republic, Texas and the south becomes a new CSA (sans slavery) —it could happen. I have never seen the nation so divided by race, class, and political division. A decade ago I would have thought such a thing impossible. Something must be done or we will go the way of the USSR.


26 posted on 01/12/2013 10:19:11 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: txnativegop
don’t place much stock in Hannity anymore

I don't either. The way he still panders to the likes of Coulter, Rove, the GOPe and others of their ilk is beyond disgusting.

But, in this one statement he could be right. Obama is overtly trying to set the stage for a revolution, a revolution he wants to win. Let's hope the states prevail and Obama and the socialists are run out of office.

27 posted on 01/12/2013 10:21:32 AM PST by ducttape45 (Can you tell I'm angry?)
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To: Mozilla
Seems like the unionists are becoming a minority if even Fawn Vanity can see whats coming....

Sic Semper Tyrannis

28 posted on 01/12/2013 10:25:24 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: txnativegop

or states leaving the union


29 posted on 01/12/2013 10:25:36 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: Mozilla
Seems like the unionists are becoming a minority if even Fawn Vanity can see whats coming....

Sic Semper Tyrannis

30 posted on 01/12/2013 10:25:36 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: DTogo
There is only one large state that has it's own power grid, Texas. All the other states except Alaska and Hawaii are dependent on the 2 national power girds for electrical power. So the only state that could leave the union and still have electrical power is Texas. It is highly unlikely, at this time, that Texas would choose to leave the union. Things would have to get a heck of a lot worse first.

Up till quite recently not so much as an extension cord was legally allowed to cross the Texas border. I think that changed about 10 years ago so Texas could sell power nationally, but Texas still has it own grid.

31 posted on 01/12/2013 10:40:13 AM PST by jpsb
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Yes we should create another nation in the long run. But nothing is cut and dry.

I just wonder how it will work dividing the current country. The logistics.

I know most Missourians would want to secede, but they had a democrat take over, for now, in 2009 with the Governor and other officials. So that is a problem because the big cities in many states, like Missouri and also Iowa, have hijacked the rest of the state from time to time.

Then you have to wonder what a purple state will do like New Mexico, Florida or Wisconsin. And what happens if Colorado is surrounded by states who have seceded. Because, these last ten years Colorado has gone far off the deep end. But, I could see Utah leaving and Arizona and then Kansas and Nebraska and Wyoming and Montana and Oklahoma and Texas, of course. Maybe even New Mexico.

And if it happens then where does the looney left go in those states? I worry about the people in the inner cities becoming violent. A race war might start or riots or massive protests will break out like after SB1070 was passed in Arizona possibly. So these are just some the things that can happen.


32 posted on 01/12/2013 10:45:27 AM PST by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

Obama created this situation when he decided he would not be the president of all America. When he decided to lead from the far left, the Union left the States (and not the other way around).


33 posted on 01/12/2013 10:51:54 AM PST by RoosterRedux (The 2nd Amendment is our defense against tyranny.)
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To: jpsb

All states have the ability to generate power. Because the power grid crosses state lines does not mean a state cannot secede. Other countries share power grids peacefully. You comment was and is just stupid. Secession does not mean war.


34 posted on 01/12/2013 10:54:48 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

“Years back a Russian political scientist said that the USA would break into several nations—up to five. I saw this as sour grapes after the break up of the USSR, but Now I am not so sure.”

Igor Panarin.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html

he is wrong in many of the particulars of his analyses, and we have already passed his estimated date of dissolution. Nevertheless we could break up along regional lines similar to those he presented, but not before much worse economic restraints.

People mock the Russians’ warnings and observations on this, but they would know better than anyone else how it could play out. Their system was designed to maintain control through force, with redundant failsafes, and with a disarmed and generally risk averse population, yet they fell. Then they broke up along historical, cultural and ethnic lines.

The United States is not magic. It is not God’s chosen nation. It can fall, and with sufficient abuse and incompetence from within it will fall. Whether America would emerge from the rubble as a phoenix or a buzzard is the million dollar question.


35 posted on 01/12/2013 10:56:16 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Hannity also foresaw President Romney.

LOL!

Him and Bush's brain were hysterical... The Hannity show was like a political radio Disney, for the easily amused...

36 posted on 01/12/2013 10:57:46 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
No, it just means that that particular group of states lost that particular bid for independence. They weren't able to inflict severe enough costs and casualties to make releasing them the least painful option, but, however abhorrent their social and economic order, they had every bit as much right to declare independence as the former British colonies. People who are willing to fight and die for independence, to put everything on the line, have every right to go for it. It's just that sometimes they lose. If you're literally willing to die to achieve a goal, who can seriously say you may not attempt it? You just go for it and somebody wins and somebody loses, or you take up the peaceful Czechoslovakian dissolution model and everybody wins (except those who live by stealing your labor through the tax code).

For me the question is not whether people may, but whether they ever would. The critical first step for a prospective conservative independence movement would be the mass migration of conservatives out of the deep blue states and into the red and purple states. That's the key. You have to move to join with your brethren, even if it means making career choices based on patriotism rather than maximizing profit potential. Are Americans willing to do that? Are they willing to endure the privations inherent to building a new nation? To possibly take a bullet? Or is everything A-OK so long as there's beer in the fridge and football on the idiot box? At the end of the day I agree it is highly unlikely, but there's no reason a committed people could not make a try at liberty.
37 posted on 01/12/2013 11:11:49 AM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: central_va
"Secession does not mean war"

And you called my comment stupid? lol, too funny!

Undoubtedly the most important infrastructure in todays world is the POWER GRID. No state can independently exist if it's power grid is controlled by some other state(s). It would be foolish to even attempt it and pretty much guarantee a return to 18th century for a sizable number until an independent grid could be built.

38 posted on 01/12/2013 11:20:32 AM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb
The idea of secession is becoming mainstream, unionists such as yourself are living in the past. A divide is coming - even if dinosaur statists like yourself can't seem to read the handwriting on the wall.

We can do this peacefully this time or have a desperate war and a struggle to the bitter end. I am good either way.

39 posted on 01/12/2013 11:33:04 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Virgina would not last one week after succeeding, Texas is the only state that has all of the necessary infrastructure and resources. Also Texas once was an independent republic was brought into the USA by treaty. Legally all Texas has to do is nullify the Treaty binding it to the USA. Treaty nullification is common internationally ACCEPTED practice. But hey, this Texan wishes you the best of luck up there in Virgina.


40 posted on 01/12/2013 11:49:41 AM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb

oops, seceding


41 posted on 01/12/2013 11:52:10 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Mozilla

Just wonder when Hannity, Coulter, Beck, Malkin, etc...start attacking Secessionists like they do Birthers?

You know that this is what the RINOs will do...especially if it means the GOPe cannot win elections.

Just wonder how many of our non-3-digit IQs fall for the RINO PhonyCon spiel this time?


42 posted on 01/12/2013 11:52:22 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (The only automatic weapon is the one Obama uses to take your paycheck)
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To: Mozilla

Hannity who?


43 posted on 01/12/2013 11:56:55 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: jpsb

I lived in Hays County for 9 years, then moved to VA.


44 posted on 01/12/2013 11:58:21 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: SeminoleCounty

The corporate handlers that spend money on advertizing have informed “conservative” talk show hosts that no secession talk is allowed. Corporations are the biggest statist around and hate secession talk, hate the republic and hate states rights.


45 posted on 01/12/2013 12:04:09 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Well the thing to do is watch Texas, things are not bad enough yet. But Texas is the only state that could revert back to an independent republic (secede) and get away with it. So keep your eye on Texas but don’t hold your breath, lol.


46 posted on 01/12/2013 12:04:47 PM PST by jpsb
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To: righttackle44

If at first you don’t secede, try, try again!


47 posted on 01/12/2013 12:10:29 PM PST by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: Mozilla
I stopped listening and watching Hannity years ago because he was basically a pretty boy idiot...

I see things have not changed much...

He lost me when he keep inviting on his show multiple times, one of the most vile, useless, human being on the planet and treated him with respect...Al Sharpton...

48 posted on 01/12/2013 12:17:27 PM PST by Popman
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To: Bubba_Leroy

Only as moot as King Georges pronouncements to the same effect.

The empire they intend to hold us hostage to will be pushed into crumbling by those of us trapped as hostages within. How you might ask? Simple, we merely have to uses our influence to push the right buttons and direct the course of affairs towards a more swift self-destruction and corruption. You may have noticed how this is already happening.


49 posted on 01/17/2013 9:14:27 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: nanetteclaret

You guys have it all wrong, its not secession but expulsion, take Illinois for example, the entire state is a red state except for Cook county. What you do is have a private meeting of all State Senators except those from Cook County and they vote to exclude Cook County from the State. Then all the State Reps meet and do the same. Now the State Government of Illinois is reconstituted both houses impeach the Governor and elect a new one pending general elections. Done. Illinois except for Cook county is reconstituted without the offending county which is on its own. The State is solidly red and now treats Cook County as a foreign or separate state.

States where there is a red region that is dominated by the rest of the state could do the same but that would be state secession and there should be red states nearby to offer assistance. And finally the US could also do it, with the Red House members voting to expulse the handful of Blue States from the Union. Then the Senate without those Blue States’ Senators convenes and votes on the expulsion. Done. The house impeaches the president and the Senate ratifies it. Given the exceptional circumstance the Senate elects an Interim President and the House ratifies it. Expulsion is much better than secession because you are protecting the institutions not replacing them. Secession should only be used where a state is purple with a large red area. The point is to keep as much of the US intact as possible.

Secession would be key in a location such as Western NY where the Niagara Power Authority is. Also parts of California are red and that would give the Red US access to the Pacific. What the Blue states would do in such an event would be open to conjecture, I am sure they would be unhappy about it.

Remember that with expulsion their unstable governments and burgeoning populations would quickly render them disaster areas. Also remember that except for the Navy most military instillations are in Red States. Food for thought.


50 posted on 01/22/2013 8:38:32 AM PST by joegoeny
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