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Glenn Beck Rips Apart ‘Madman’ Alex Jones For ‘Crazy’ Piers Morgan Rant
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Posted on 01/12/2013 9:47:01 AM PST by Mozilla

Glenn Beck spent the first fifteen minutes of his radio show today discrediting rival conservative host Alex Jones after his epic showdown last night with Piers Morgan.

Beck explains, “Piers Morgan is trying to have gun control. He is trying to make everybody who has guns and who believes in the Second Amendment to be a deterrent to an out of control government look like a madman. So now he immediately books the madman and makes him look like a conservative. He’s not a conservative.”

Of course, Beck didn’t save all of his animosity for Jones, happily dishing it out to Morgan as well. After calling them “two of the most dishonest ‘journalists’ of our age,” he went on to explain why his listeners shouldn’t trust either one of them.

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1 posted on 01/12/2013 9:47:08 AM PST by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

Relax, Glenn....have another drink.....go sell some more subscriptions for your TV network.....just sit back one of the “few” times your on your own network (ha ha) and have a drink and guffaw uncontrollably with one of your sychophants “on-air.”


2 posted on 01/12/2013 9:51:25 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Mozilla
Coming from the same Glenn Beck who

- wore a bullet proof vest in DC next to Sarah Palin who didn't,
- incessently mocked the "birthers"
- is now promoting "civil disobedience" to fight gun control: let yourself be arrested and let's overwhelm the system.

FAIL.

3 posted on 01/12/2013 10:00:05 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Mozilla

Alex Jones .... I like his fighting spirit and attitude. He is a 911 truther and other stuff that’s wacky but I liked the way he defended the 2nd Amendment and told that Limey gun grabber to go back to England

Alex Jones has had good people on his show like Damon Vickers


4 posted on 01/12/2013 10:03:52 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Mozilla

“rival conservative host Alex Jones”

Conservative??? He is another conspiracy theory libertarian like nutcase Ron Paul.


6 posted on 01/12/2013 10:26:21 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: DTogo
.....let yourself be arrested and let's overwhelm the system

Glenn should know better. This tactic did not work too well for the Jews in Germany.

7 posted on 01/12/2013 10:28:06 AM PST by Jed Eckert (Wolverines!!)
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To: Jed Eckert

Agreed...I watched Beck when he had his FOX show. Now? Meh...too wishy-washy.


8 posted on 01/12/2013 10:30:22 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Mozilla

I don’t trust Jones or Beck. That said, Beck has a point but I also I do like how Jones took on Morgan. The problem with Beck is that you do not back down just because the left calls you names. You just keep getting into their face.

The left does this to the right and wins. They get called all sorts of names at first but they eventually win because they don’t give up. The right should not give up now. The left anticipates the right will roll over and be cowards on this issue but we must stand and fight or we’ve lost it all.


9 posted on 01/12/2013 10:33:36 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: dragonblustar

Alex Jones = Conspiracy behind every blade of grass

Glenn Beck = Wants to be Disney this week, George Washington the next, Has a terminal case of ADD.

Take your pick...


10 posted on 01/12/2013 10:43:53 AM PST by GraceG
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To: dragonblustar
The left anticipates the right will roll over and be cowards on this issue but we must stand and fight or we’ve lost it all.

They are correct to expect it: our "right-leaning" (read slightly less leftist, if that) Republican party does just that -- of course I'm coming to the opinion that it is very-much staged, that the Republican and Democrat parties are really the same party -- but that does not preclude them believing their own propaganda.

11 posted on 01/12/2013 10:47:11 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Gaffer

Beck may at times be — or at least seem — half crazy, but Alex Jones is full on, no brakes, throttle wide open crazy, with but brief moments of lucidity.


12 posted on 01/12/2013 10:48:33 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: Mozilla

Glenn Beck is part of a complete phony religion. Look in the mirror Glenn.


13 posted on 01/12/2013 10:50:30 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: Mozilla
Morgan needed a guest to show that the pro-gun side was off its rocker nuts. Jones was clueless enough to comply.

I'll take Shapiro's performance over Jones' any day. Shapiro changed minds, Jones made us into idiots.

14 posted on 01/12/2013 10:58:20 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Rockingham

I can believe you about Jones. I’m just not going to delude myself that Beck has anything to say that would interest me. I can think and do for myself.


15 posted on 01/12/2013 10:59:35 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Mozilla

Does this mean that Beck will no longer plagarize and steal ideas from Alex Jones anymore?


16 posted on 01/12/2013 11:00:32 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (The only automatic weapon is the one Obama uses to take your paycheck)
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To: dennisw

Alex Jones .... I like his fighting spirit and attitude. He is a 911 truther and other stuff that’s wacky but I liked the way he defended the 2nd Amendment and told that Limey gun grabber to go back to England


Although Jones is too much “Blame the Jews” for me...the way he went after Morgan is how you go after Liberals and their wacky ideas.

You will not win debate, influence, position, leadership, by being a Surrender Monkey like Beck...or like the other PhonyCons have on issues like taxes, 2d Amendment, Obama Eligibility, and Illegal Aliens.

You have already lost the debate if you are worried about “how liberals will think”.


17 posted on 01/12/2013 11:21:02 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (The only automatic weapon is the one Obama uses to take your paycheck)
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To: Mozilla

Beck is a Government Stooge and agent provocateur. I knew it when he was on Fox which btw is now all in for British style gun control.


18 posted on 01/12/2013 11:23:13 AM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: SeminoleCounty
Although Jones is too much “Blame the Jews” for me.....

I doubt he is anti-Semitic though some of his followers are same as with Ron Paul. Jones is probably just being careful but he never utters anti-Jewish stuff. Unless you want to call him being anti-Wall Street to be anti-Jewish. I know some people use this as substitute code words for being anti-Jewish

19 posted on 01/12/2013 11:37:44 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Gaffer
To advance politically, conservatism needs a wide range of advocates and media venues. Just as Limbaugh, talk radio, and Fox News prompted some initial disdain from the old Bill Buckley/Firing Line/National Review crowd, so also have other conservative personalities and venues attracted disparagement at first.

The real test is whether a media conservative can find and hold an audience without going off the rails. Beck has done that, even if, at times, he seems close to getting off track.

I know conservatives with kids who prefer Beck on TV as more approachable and varied than Limbaugh. And, in one particlar instance, the result is two whip smart, ardently conservative Jewish Republican teenage girls who regularly watch Beck with their parents -- who are both lawyers.

20 posted on 01/12/2013 11:48:58 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

Buckley was a big fan and supporter of Rush Limbaugh and talk radio.

I was a subscriber of National Review until they endorsed Romney in 2007, and I don’t remember them being disdainful of “Limbaugh, talk radio, and Fox News”.


21 posted on 01/12/2013 11:56:26 AM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: Rockingham

With all due respect and consideration, the fact that one has or does not have children to be justifiably relevant in the national conversation about conservativism and how to stop rabid liberals from taking our freedom isn’t something I see as an ideological necessity.

It is either conservative and just, or it isn’t. The fact that the parents may be Republican, and lawyers is not a consideration for me, either. John Edwards was a lawyer, Bill Clinton and Hillary, too. Along with Barack and Michelle Obama... to my latest knowledge, none of them are state-licensed lawyers now.


22 posted on 01/12/2013 12:01:39 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: ansel12
When Limbaugh began his national program, his manner was often criticized as jarring and brash, and his venue -- talk radio -- was new and decidedly declasse for the National Review readership and Buckley fans.

Longtime conservatives (including myself) were accustomed to Firing Line, with its dignified discussions, Buckley's mid-Atlantic accent, and a Bach intro; and we regarded NR's high editorial standards, Buckley's love of obscure words and rambling sentences, and the approving references and discussions of classical music in NR as part of the conservative idiom.

In contrast, Limbaugh was on talk radio -- until then, mostly the province of scream and shout local programming; and Limbaugh spoke boastfully, like a radio DJ, was full of parody and banter, and had a rock music intro.

Yet (as you correctly point out) Buckley promptly and warmly embraced Limbaugh and welcomed him into the fold. And that is my point about Beck. He is additive to the appeal and energy of conservatism even if he at times he seems overly wound up. Bek has an audience and a conservative message that merits our approval and support.

23 posted on 01/12/2013 2:23:22 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Gaffer

You miss my point. My friends, as Jewish lawyers, are of a demographic that is not normally conservative Republican. Yet they find Beck a more appealing personality than Limbaugh, and they find Beck’s teaching efforts helpful in raising their teen daughters to be conservatives. To me, that was an example of why Beack has the audience that he does.


24 posted on 01/12/2013 2:31:01 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
When Limbaugh began his national program, his manner was often criticized as jarring and brash, and his venue -- talk radio -- was new and decidedly declasse for the National Review readership and Buckley fans.

I was National Review readership and a Buckley fan, you don't speak for all of us, I don't know why you claim we felt that way.

25 posted on 01/12/2013 2:41:22 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: Rockingham
Fox News prompted some initial disdain from the old Bill Buckley/Firing Line/National Review crowd,

How did we miss that? Why are you claiming these things?

National Review eventually moved left and self destructed, after Buckley died, but I don't recall the things that you are claiming.

26 posted on 01/12/2013 2:55:09 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: Rockingham

Beck’s issue is not his conservatism, it’s how he paints the picture. He’s very doom-and-gloom, in my opinion. When he gets into his “educational” portions, he seems to make the left invincible in their organization. Rush educates while showing their buffoonery, mocking them while fighting them. Personally, I much prefer Rush’s approach.


27 posted on 01/12/2013 2:59:39 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Beck’s issue is not his conservatism, it’s how he paints the picture. He’s very doom-and-gloom, in my opinion. When he gets into his “educational” portions, he seems to make the left invincible in their organization. Rush educates while showing their buffoonery, mocking them while fighting them. Personally, I much prefer Rush’s approach.

I think Beck is a huckster.

Rush is trying to promote conservatism, Beck is a huckster selling himself.

28 posted on 01/12/2013 3:09:10 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: ansel12

Not all, and not a majority thought that way. Yet the criticisms and views I described were often expressed by conservatives. The potency of Limbaugh and talk radio was not apparent at the start.


29 posted on 01/12/2013 3:43:15 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: ansel12

I heard Limbaugh himself say that Buckley’s support did much to settle qualms about him and talk radio.


30 posted on 01/12/2013 3:46:26 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Future Snake Eater

I like both, and I think Limbaugh is far shrewder than Beck about operational politics. Yet Beck has a following.


31 posted on 01/12/2013 3:48:49 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Mozilla

I will admit that I am really disappointed in Glenn. SO he wants everyone to accept homosexuality, and he is publicly mocking someone who is really scared.

I don’t agree with Alex Jones, I just see someone who is about as freaked out as I felt for a few days. I feel sorry for Alex.

Glenn should re-think his actions, as of late.
Why not say he disagrees with Alex and show some compassion.

I am bummed out at Glenn. Honestly, I was listening every day, and now I don’t listen to him anymore.


32 posted on 01/12/2013 3:51:51 PM PST by Truth2012
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To: Mozilla

If Beck has recently declared himself a libertarian, does he still get to decide who’s conservative enough?

Alex Jones flipped the script on Piers Morgan, one way or the other. I don’t know much about Jones, but he successfully avoided being corralled into a ‘debate’ that he ably pointed out was no debate where one of those involved is also the moderator as well as controls the venue. I cringed when Jones put on a British accent, but he did use the time he had to get points across to people otherwise not exposed to them. Hopefully some of them can see past the distractions. And Morgan, for all his assertions of trying to keep Jones on issue (Piers’ issue, Piers’ way), was quick to bring up September 11th for what looked like no other reason than to try to discredit anything else he said, and he wouldn’t have done that unless he thought he had to.


33 posted on 01/12/2013 4:05:52 PM PST by OldNewYork
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To: Rockingham

My husband is Jewish and an attorney. He find Rush much more appealing that Beck. In fact I doubt he likes Beck at all. I guess it just depends on which Jewish attorney you’re talking too.


34 posted on 01/12/2013 4:11:00 PM PST by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: beandog

Beck can be an acquired taste. My friends liked the way that Beck was on TV during the evening and that their daughters first started watching and asking why they were not hearing what Beck and his guests were saying in school.


35 posted on 01/12/2013 5:55:13 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

You were very specific, it was we National Review readers and Buckley fans who were disdainful of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, and talk radio.

That wasn’t true about us. We enjoyed Rush Limbaugh immediately, and I don’t recall anybody being disdainful of Fox news, although I couldn’t see it myself, you make us sound like a bunch of white wine sipping dainties.


36 posted on 01/12/2013 6:43:14 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: ansel12
Read my comment again. I characterized myself and other conservatives of that era as accustomed to a style established by Buckley and National Review. Limbaugh clashed with that style, but Buckley and NR warmly embraced Limbaugh -- which eased his acceptance by the white wine sippers among NR readers.

My larger point is that Beck has a following that adds to conservative strength. Taking a clue from Buckley, we ought not to be too critical of Beck on stylistic grounds.

37 posted on 01/13/2013 7:02:10 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

I read your posts, you must be a kid or something if you think that the 1990s was long ago, many of us had been watching firing line and reading National Review for decades by then.

We Buckley fans and National Review readers and firing line watchers liked Rush Limbaugh and Fox news from the beginning, You sound out of touch with the majority of conservatives of the time.

Beck is an idiot and a hustler, and you are still out of touch.


38 posted on 01/13/2013 11:25:31 AM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: Last Dakotan
"Jones made us into idiots."

Exactly...that is his job. The only thing missing is the clown nose.

39 posted on 01/13/2013 11:37:36 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: ansel12
People are creatures of habit, and conservatives more so than the general population. Limbaugh and Fox News were once new, and new takes time to find an audience and establish itself.

Before Limbaugh, national commercial talk radio was the province of ostensibly nonpolitical professional talkers like Larry King. Local talk hosts were characteristically rude and obnoxious toward callers, with programs loaded up with stunts and guest appearances. Conservatives rarely found commercial talk radio worth listening to, and there was no national conservative talk radio program.

As Limbaugh describes the start of his run as a local political talker in Sacramento, he was a DJ and the only person who believed that he could make a political show work. Station management agreed to a brief trial run based on his promise to depart without a contract fight if the show failed. Management wanted rid of him and were delighted to have him offer such an easy way out.

Even after Limbaugh was a success in Sacramento, in California syndication, and then in New York on local ABC radio, his program was initially a tough sell to potential backers for national syndication, even with attractive audience numbers. After all, the media business is rife with personalities who have a brief run and then implode, become boring, or are overtaken by imitators.

Again, Limbaugh himself has described how important Bill Buckley's support was to his favorable reception by National Review and the conservative establishment and in building a national conservative audience. I recall approving comments about Limbaugh in National Review as leading me to listen when his program first came to local radio.

Similarly, Fox New took time to draw viewers away from the broadcast evening news and from CNN. Audience habits and expectations matter. Fox News was not just conservative, but it was different in other ways, Washington centric, with less in the way of coverage of stories from other parts of the country than its competitors offered.

As for Beck, he has an audience and is apparently successful in his Internet TV operation. Beck's personality and radio show (and no doubt his Internet show) have an element of volatility that mark him as a work in progress. I wish Beck success, and if his Internet TV operation makes good money, it will bring a wave of imitators and help to further undermine the broadcast and cable networks.

40 posted on 01/13/2013 2:38:47 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

Of course Buckley liked Rush and years later Fox News from the start, just like we readers of National Review did.

Conservatives, Buckley fans, watchers of Firing line, and readers of National Review liked Rush and Fox from the start, that is why you can only keep repeating yourself and aren’t posting any facts.

Beck is a huckster who went national more than a decade ago and will always be seen as bizarre and unstable, and as a hustler.


41 posted on 01/13/2013 3:10:40 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: ansel12
Not all National Review conservatives embraced Rush at the start or do so now, and Rush and Fox News both took time to find large audiences and generate commensurate flows of ad revenue. Rush's high-minded, arch-conservative lawyer father was always puzzled by the success of his son's show, loaded as it was with what he saw as distracting and time wasting humor and hyperbole.

Brother David was also surprised that his brother was so much less serious on air than he was in person. And there are conservatives still who regard Rush as a mere entertainer -- not recognizing that he is better described as a shrewd (and entertaining) conservative political analyst and commentator.

Early on, Rush had commercial missteps, like the sucking sound, followed by a distant scream, that he used to abort callers he disliked, and the requirement that women callers have their picture on file with the show. Complaints from affiliates ended both practices.

And, to state the obvious, Limbaugh, Fox News, and Beck are all obsessed about finding and keeping the attention and loyalty of their audience. They all hustle for ratings. Beck even describes himself as a radio clown.

42 posted on 01/13/2013 4:20:34 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
My friends, as Jewish lawyers, are of a demographic that is not normally conservative Republican. Yet they find Beck a more appealing personality than Limbaugh,

I have been listening to Rush since his third day of going national and you are full of it about conservatives and Rush and Fox news.

You just seem out of touch, and want to insist that you are somehow representative of we conservatives, which is a joke, you don't even seem to like us judging by your ramblings and bizarre claims that we were too snooty for Rush and Fox News, until we found out that Buckley liked them, and although they were 8 years apart.

Just as Limbaugh, talk radio, and Fox News prompted some initial disdain from the old Bill Buckley/Firing Line/National Review crowd

According to you, first we of the National Review crowd had to be told that it was OK to become one of Rush's 22 million listeners, and then 8 years later, after eight years of Rush and the 1994 Gingrich revolution, we then needed to told that it was OK to watch Fox news.

43 posted on 01/13/2013 4:43:16 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: ansel12
My description of Rush's relationship with Buckley and National Review is based on what Rush himself said on air after Buckley died. We conservatives do not all think alike and yes, some conservatives were and some still are not fans of Rush and Fox News.

Alhough I prefer Limbaugh to Beck and have Fox News on most of the time, individual tastes vary and there are also generational differences.

Last election season, I worked for several weeks with a well-respected, long-established conservative political media consultant of more than four decades experience. He dislikes Fox News though as too repetetive and superficial.

Another, much younger conservative political consultant I also worked with last election season wore flip flops, had a visible tat on his upper arm, and played rap music while he worked -- but tuned to Beck's show when it came on.

So, back to my essential point: Beck has an audience that adds to conservative strength.

44 posted on 01/13/2013 5:59:09 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
"Just as Limbaugh, talk radio, and Fox News prompted some initial disdain from the old Bill Buckley/Firing Line/National Review crowd" "People are creatures of habit, and conservatives more so than the general population. Limbaugh and Fox News were once new, and new takes time to find an audience and establish itself."

"Before Limbaugh, national commercial talk radio was the province of ostensibly nonpolitical professional talkers like Larry King."

So for almost a decade, conservatives had to wait for Buckley's approval before we could get our noses out of the air and accept Rush in 1988, or Fox News in 1996?

What a load, and Beck has been around for more than 10 years, the man is a gadfly hustler.

You don't seem to know much about it, and you don't know anything about Larry King, since you don't realize that he was a liberal talk show host on radio, not "nonpolitical".

You seem to think that by just continuing saying it, that you can create a false history, and even change what your original claims were.

Rush EXPLODED onto the scene, and conservatives INSTANTLY showed up by the millions, we didn't even know such audience numbers existed at the time.

Conservatives were never resistant to Fox News, ever.

45 posted on 01/13/2013 7:06:37 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: Rockingham
Last election season, I worked for several weeks with a well-respected, long-established conservative political media consultant of more than four decades experience. He dislikes Fox News though as too repetetive and superficial. Another, much younger conservative political consultant I also worked with last election season wore flip flops, had a visible tat on his upper arm, and played rap music while he worked -- but tuned to Beck's show when it came on.

I think you are just out of touch.

Aside from shifting your Fox claims to today instead of 1996, you seem to not know that tattoos, and long hair, and beer and guns and trailer houses, and military service and blue collar work, or whatever else you seem to not associate with conservatives, is actually very common with conservatives.

Are you a New York lawyer or some such thing?

46 posted on 01/13/2013 7:14:50 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: ansel12

Out of touch? Guilty; and I am a lawyer and political consultant, in Florida. But, to make the obvious point, I think that, compared to the population at large, tats and long hair are relatively uncommon among National Review subscribers.


47 posted on 01/13/2013 7:29:38 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

Now we are back to purely National Review subscribers.

The ones that you claim had to wait for Buckley to reveal that he was a fan of the Rush Limbaugh show before they would listen to the conservative talk show themselves, and then many years later had to wait for Buckley approval again, before they would watch a conservative alternative of CNN.

Well I have been reading National Review, probably longer than you unless you started in the 1960s also.

As a long time NR subscriber before they endorsed Romney in 2007, I just recently donated my hair to cancer patients.

I don’t know if you realize how diverse the conservative world is , and how diverse Buckley’s audience was, or how wrong you are about conservative reactions to Rush Limbaugh and Fox news.


48 posted on 01/13/2013 7:46:59 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: ansel12
So, by your account, the conservative world is diverse but, like proverbial mind-numbed robots, we all flocked to Rush and Fox News as soon as they appeared. And I suppose that you think Rush is wrong about how his father and many other conservatives did not "get" the appeal of his show, and that Buckley and NR's early support of him was important to the success of his show.

As it happens, I may well have subscribed to National Review before you did.

49 posted on 01/14/2013 7:08:52 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham
People are diverse, but thirsty people flock to water, especially when they have been begging for it, and there is only a single source.

Conservatives instantly flocked to Rush by the millions, creating radio numbers that we could not have imagined when the liberal “King “ of radio was measuring his number one show by the hundreds of thousands.

Conservatives also instantly flocked to Fox News, the first conservative news station, I don't know what dilettantes and out of touch elitists did, you tell us that they would only listen, or watch what Bill Buckley approved of. You sound like one of those liberals who seem to be speaking about a foreign people when they mention conservatives.

50 posted on 01/14/2013 9:21:17 AM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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