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Dangerous Old Men
American Thinker ^ | January 12, 2013 | Ebben Raves

Posted on 01/12/2013 10:19:09 AM PST by old school

"Let us look back at Samuel Whittemore. Samuel was an old man -- seventy-eight years old, to be exact -- on April 19, 1775. After many years of service bearing arms for the British Crown, surely he was too old to fight, and his wife even told him so. On that fateful morning, though, he gathered up his musket, two pistols, and a cavalry saber that he acquired from a French officer who "died suddenly" and took his place to meet the British Regulars in Menotomy."

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1 posted on 01/12/2013 10:19:11 AM PST by old school
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To: old school

I’ve been saying this for some time. Who in their right mind trains a doberman to be a killer and then kicks him for fun?


2 posted on 01/12/2013 10:37:40 AM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: old school

I plan to be a dangerous old woman someday. Still raising children now. But when they’re grown, I’m less essential.

My seven greats-grandfather Henry Putnam died at Lexington at the age of 63, having marched there with the Medford militia, in the company of four of his sons.

All those old Massachusetts and New Hampshire and Maine Yankees, if they could see their states now...


3 posted on 01/12/2013 10:40:23 AM PST by heartwood
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To: old school

Good read ...


4 posted on 01/12/2013 10:41:52 AM PST by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: old school

Good read ...


5 posted on 01/12/2013 10:41:58 AM PST by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: old school

If there is a fight the old men will have to do it.

Today’s young people are not like the older generations.
Most are spoiled and virtually useless.

My American Legion post is dying on it’s feet for need of younger people, The Volunteer Rescue Squad I ride with is dependent on older people to ride it, Young people do not volunteer for much of anything that requires they get out from in front of their video games and actually perform a service.At my Church the fund raising dinners are staffed with old people, young people are not picking up the slack.
Even the mass at my Church is mostly older people.Few want to serve as Altar boys/girls any more.

When the fighting starts it will be the old people doing the fighting.Those of us who are Veterans and who have served before.


6 posted on 01/12/2013 10:45:32 AM PST by Venturer
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To: heartwood
There is satire somewhere saying that it would be better to have an army of middle-aged, divorced, angry men with babies already raised than to have one composed of 18-24 year old recruits with cosmetic-bag sized issues.
7 posted on 01/12/2013 10:53:17 AM PST by sefarkas (Why vote Democrat Lite?)
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To: Venturer

Better to go down fighting than to hang around and await your ultimate fate from a death panel. The fascists have you in their sights already - you can count on it.


8 posted on 01/12/2013 11:05:48 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Venturer

I ride with a local rescue squad too - we’ve got teenage cadets (with pre-med ambitions), and we have people over forty.

I didn’t start until I was over forty either - younger people have smaller children who aren’t at school for the day, can’t watch themselves in the evening. Makes sense to me.

And when your children are closer to grown, then you start thinking wider than your immediate family. A natural life stage.

Mass in our parish does weigh to the older side but we still have lots of families with children, plenty of altar boys and girls - wish it was more boys though. That’s sort of a life stage thing too - my husband and I didn’t go to Mass regularly until we had children.


9 posted on 01/12/2013 11:07:11 AM PST by heartwood
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To: Venturer

If we’re all that there is, then this country is truly doomed. All that, with which I once was familiar, is practically gone. We were the greatest nation on earth for a while.


10 posted on 01/12/2013 11:16:05 AM PST by old school
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To: old school
There are always exceptions...
I see a younger generation who, courtesy of their parents, who served, saved, and raised them with faith,
who made it a point to inform them as to just how their future prosperity is being mortgaged by dims to buy the votes of those who are nothing but parasites,
These kids know the score...

The ones I know are pissed off, motivated, and preparing for what they know is coming.
Then again, I live near Bragg, so my experience with the 'young' may be a lot different that the average.
11 posted on 01/12/2013 11:17:25 AM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: heartwood; Venturer

I truly hope your experience and mine are more common than Venturer’s.

All of our fire and rescue squads here are volunteer and they don’t seem to have that many problems with recruitment. I do set up/prep for our church fund raising dinners, but no longer have to deal with serving because there are more teenagers showing up to do it. I just received the quarterly lay schedule for church and my 14yo daughter is the senior acolyte (by time served, not age) but she is only on the schedule for 3 Sundays (they all serve Easter) through the end of March - everyone of them is under 17.

So there does seem to be some hope.


12 posted on 01/12/2013 11:32:09 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: old school; Travis McGee
Ping!

Travis, your book “Enemies Foreign and Domestic” is referenced in the article.

13 posted on 01/12/2013 12:05:37 PM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: SunTzuWu

That was very nice of the author of the article. A nice surprise.


14 posted on 01/12/2013 12:11:14 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: old school

far too many Americans cannot answer any of these questions:

in other words, they have no idea about the basic foundations of our country

15 posted on 01/12/2013 12:15:01 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: old school

I’ve been saying for years that veterans are going to turn the tide in the troubles to come.

The young today are mostly useless. They are utterly dependent upon their electronics and many of their “friends” are available only on Facebook. They are unaware of how the real world works, especially after a lifetime of communist indoctrination in the public schools. But they aren’t stupid.

Sooner or later, they’re going to chafe under the yoke of tyranny. Shortages or new regulations or some other kind of restriction will annoy them, until they hear the word “liberty” and learn its meaning. Then they will become as pissed as the older veterans are now, if not more so.

When that day comes, when their awakening arrives, the old veterans will come to the fore. There is always a need for sergeants, of whatever age, to train the young and provide both discipline and guidance. That day is coming.


16 posted on 01/12/2013 12:23:53 PM PST by DNME (Without the Constitution, there is no legitimate U.S. government. Period.)
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To: old school
Old Guys Rule!!

This is a good read! Well worth reading and passing on to fellow old guys, children & grandchildren.

Count me in.

"We must all hang together, or surely we will all hang separately." (Trivia: Who said it?)

17 posted on 01/12/2013 1:45:13 PM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: Perseverando

Franklin.


18 posted on 01/12/2013 1:48:52 PM PST by Publius ("A centralized government is a centralized evil." -- Gen. John Graham)
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To: DNME

My oldest son made Eagle during his last year in Boy Scouts, along with 11 other young men.

My youngest son made Eagle during his last year in Boy Scouts, along with 7 other young men.

Our Troop produces more Eagles each year than any other in our Council.

Sorry you’re not around to come to a meeting. It might alter your perspective.


19 posted on 01/12/2013 1:51:26 PM PST by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: BlackJack

CW2 ping?


20 posted on 01/12/2013 2:15:36 PM PST by ebshumidors
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To: old school

21 posted on 01/12/2013 2:49:15 PM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: Perseverando

Beware the Grey Wolf
They won’t run
but they can still bite.

I have
No common ground
with tyranny.


22 posted on 01/12/2013 2:58:35 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: old school

I’m 63. I’ve been responsible for a firearm since I was nine years old. I taught martial arts for fifteen years and hold s third dan black belt in the same martial art the Korean secret service uses. I’m 6’1” and just a hair under 200lbs. I am angry and I’m real good at anger. As Phil Graham once said, I have more guns than I need but not as many as I want. I don’t have one I’m willing to register or turn in. If it comes to it, I may as well fight now because I’m just getting older. It ain’t the country I was born into and sure isn’t the country I want. A million of us fighting is not a force I’d like to reckon with.


23 posted on 01/12/2013 3:02:17 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Arm_Bears

Perhaps I used the wrong modifier when I said kids today are “mostly” useless. A large percentage are, if not the majority, but of course there are good kids today, as your paired Eagles testify.

I’ve read many a story (and written a few of them, in my journalist days) about kids who do brave, wonderful, generous and patriotic things. But too often I see kids doing stupid, selfish and self-serving things, to the detriment of society. I blame bad kids on bad parents, and we certainly have plenty of those.

But I stand by my assertion that veterans may be needed to teach the young when the time comes to recover our freedom and liberty. Many a “punk” was turned into a “good man” with the help of a loud gentleman in a Smokey the Bear hat.

(Two Eagles in the same family ... bully for you, Bear! Good job of parenting!)


24 posted on 01/12/2013 3:04:03 PM PST by DNME (Without the Constitution, there is no legitimate U.S. government. Period.)
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To: DNME

Thanks, and I agree with your assertion—The young have always needed the guidance of adults, that’s why God made us (at least that’s what I tell my Scouts).

While it’s disheartening to see so many young people apparently frittering away their lives, I try to remind myself of a story my grandfather once told me. He was a middle-aged parent looking in disgust at the young “wastrels,” his own sons included, cavorting on the beach during the summer of 1938. Several years later, those same wastrels had engineered the defeat of the 1000-year Reich.


25 posted on 01/12/2013 3:54:59 PM PST by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: old school; ebshumidors

Thanks for posting.

Nice work Mr. Raves!


26 posted on 01/12/2013 4:06:41 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: 45semi

There was a book written awhile ago (1990’s?) that was called the “Fourth Turning”. Written just before 9/11 it talks about the “fourth” generation coming of age then (1997) and that they are of the same “generation” and same attitudes of “The Greatest Generation”. But it would take some large crisis to unite their efforts away from self and towards a greater call.

I thought that 9/11 was it, and perhaps it was the start as so many honorable men and women signed up to fight Terrorism. Or perhaps it was only training for something bigger.

I know that I am astounded by what the young kids are doing in my church community and those that I know in the military. I won’t sell out ALL of our kids short.

Here’s a synopsis of the book from Amazon. At $5/used copy I might have to actually buy it.

Release Date: December 29, 1997

First came the postwar High, then the Awakening of the ‘60s and ‘70s, and now the Unraveling. This audacious and provocative book tells us what to expect just beyond the start of the next century. Are you ready for the Fourth Turning?

Strauss and Howe will change the way you see the world—and your place in it. In The Fourth Turning, they apply their generational theories to the cycles of history and locate America in the middle of an unraveling period, on the brink of a crisis. How you prepare for this crisis—the Fourth Turning—is intimately connected to the mood and attitude of your particular generation. Are you one of the can-do “GI generation,” who triumphed in the last crisis? Do you belong to the mediating “Silent Majority,” who enjoyed the 1950s High? Do you fall into the “awakened” Boomer category of the 1970s and 1980s, or are you a Gen-Xer struggling to adapt to our splintering world? Whatever your stage of life, The Fourth Turning offers bold predictions about how all of us can prepare, individually and collectively, for America’s next rendezvous with destiny.


27 posted on 01/12/2013 4:16:20 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: muir_redwoods
Just a thought to give us some hope and a plan. The Canadian long gun registration FAILED.

For two reasons I think. ONe is civil diobedience. Gun owners ignored the form, filled out wrong information and I am sure other creative ways. WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN OF CIVIL DISOBEDIANECE.

The other reason it failed there is the incompetence of the liberals who designed the plan.

28 posted on 01/12/2013 4:37:38 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Lord save me from some conservatives, they don't understand human nature any better than liberals.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

One of the things our Canadian cousins did was fill out 20,30 or 40 forms for each gun altering the S/N on each form. This choked the system and threatened to crash the system.


29 posted on 01/12/2013 4:51:21 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: old school

Old farts won’t fight fair. Any taught operational plan the tres letter groups teach I am aware of, sometimes bold, audacious, insane or crazy is the solution.


30 posted on 01/12/2013 4:59:23 PM PST by Eye of Unk (AR2 2013 is the American Revolution part 2 of 2013)
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To: old school

I’m edging into “old man” territory, but I still have some game in me. As the saying goes, “Old age and treachery beats youthful enthusiasm every time”.


31 posted on 01/12/2013 5:07:59 PM PST by TADSLOS ( "I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."-George Mason)
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To: old school

Dangerous old men is part of the history lesson given at Appleseed Marksmanship training.


32 posted on 01/12/2013 5:19:33 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: APatientMan

Thanks, folks. Please share it with others. It may open some eyes and avert lots of bloodshed...unless that’s what some in the .fedgov want. Then God help us all.


33 posted on 01/12/2013 5:58:12 PM PST by ebshumidors
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To: APatientMan

Thanks, folks. Please share it with others. It may open some eyes and avert lots of bloodshed...unless that’s what some in the .fedgov want. Then God help us all.


34 posted on 01/12/2013 6:01:37 PM PST by ebshumidors
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

And don't forget dangerous old ladies:


35 posted on 01/13/2013 3:39:10 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: old school

36 posted on 01/13/2013 3:40:06 PM PST by mirkwood
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