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The Giglio Imbroglio The Public Inauguration of a New Moral McCarthyism
Albert Mohler Blog ^ | 1/10/13 | Dr. R. Albert Mohler, Jr.

Posted on 01/12/2013 10:25:16 AM PST by rhema

A new chapter in America’s moral revolution came today as Atlanta pastor Louie Giglio withdrew from giving the benediction at President Obama’s second inaugural ceremony. In a statement released to the White House and the Presidential Inaugural Committee, Giglio said that he withdrew because of the furor that emerged yesterday after a liberal watchdog group revealed that almost twenty years ago he had preached a sermon in which he had stated that homosexuality is a sin and that the “only way out of a homosexual lifestyle … is through the healing power of Jesus.”

In other words, a Christian pastor has been effectively disinvited from delivering an inaugural prayer because he believes and teaches Christian truth.

The fact that Giglio was actually disinvited was made clear in a statement from Addie Whisenant of the Presidential Inaugural Committee:

“We were not aware of Pastor Giglio’s past comments at the time of his selection, and they don’t reflect our desire to celebrate the strength and diversity of our country at this inaugural. Pastor Giglio was asked to deliver the benediction in large part because of his leadership in combating human trafficking around the world. As we now work to select someone to deliver the benediction, we will ensure their beliefs reflect this administration’s vision of inclusion and acceptance for all Americans.”

That statement is, in effect, an embarrassed apology for having invited Louie Giglio in the first place. Whisenant’s statement apologizes for the Presidential Inaugural Committee’s failure to make certain that their selection had never, at any time, for any reason, believed that homosexuality is less than a perfectly acceptable lifestyle. The committee then promised to repent and learn from their failure, committing to select a replacement who would “reflect this administration’s vision of inclusion and acceptance.”

The imbroglio over Louie Giglio is the clearest evidence of the new Moral McCarthyism of our sexually “tolerant” age. During the infamous McCarthy hearings, witnesses would be asked, “Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?”

In the version now to be employed by the Presidential Inaugural Committee, the question will be: “Are you now or have you ever been one who believes that homosexuality (or bisexuality, or transsexualism, etc.) is anything less than morally acceptable and worthy of celebration?”

Louie Giglio, pastor of Atlanta’s Passion City Church, is also founder of the Passion movement that brings tens of thousands of Christian young people together to hear Giglio, along with speakers such as John Piper. They urge a rising generation of young Christians to make a passionate commitment to Christ. In recent years, the movement has also sought to raise awareness and activism among young Christians on the issue of sex trafficking. It was that activism that caught the attention of both President Obama and the Presidential Inaugural Committee.

Note carefully that both the White House and the committee were ready to celebrate Giglio’s activism on sex trafficking, but all that was swept away by the Moral McCarthyism on the question of homosexuality.

Two other dimensions of this story also demand attention. First, we should note that Louie Giglio has not been known lately for taking any stand on the issue of homosexuality. To the contrary, Giglio’s own statement withdrawing from the invitation made this clear:

“Due to a message of mine that has surfaced from 15-20 years ago, it is likely that my participation, and the prayer I would offer, will be dwarfed by those seeking to make their agenda the focal point of the inauguration. Clearly, speaking on this issue has not been in the range of my priorities in the past fifteen years. Instead, my aim has been to call people to ultimate significance as we make much of Jesus Christ.”

A fair-minded reading of that statement indicates that Pastor Giglio has strategically avoided any confrontation with the issue of homosexuality for at least fifteen years. The issue “has not been in the range of my priorities,” he said. Given the Bible’s insistance that sexual morality is inseparable from our “ultimate significance as we make much of Jesus Christ,” this must have been a difficult strategy. It is also a strategy that is very attractive to those who want to avoid being castigated as intolerant or homophobic. As this controversy makes abundantly clear, it is a failed strategy. Louie Giglio was cast out of the circle of the acceptable simply because a liberal watchdog group found one sermon he preached almost twenty years ago. If a preacher has ever taken a stand on biblical conviction, he risks being exposed decades after the fact. Anyone who teaches at any time, to any degree, that homosexual behavior is a sin is now to be cast out.

Second, we should note that Pastor Giglio’s sermon was, as we would expect and hope, filled with grace and the promise of the Gospel. Giglio did not just state that homosexuals are sinners — he made clear that every single human being is a sinner, in need of the redemption that is found only in Jesus Christ. “We’ve got to say to the homosexuals, the same thing that I say to you and that you would say to me … It’s not easy to change, but it’s possible to change,” he preached. He pointed his congregation, gay and straight, to “the healing power of Jesus.” He called his entire congregation to repent and come to Christ by faith.

That is the quintessential Christian Gospel. That is undiluted biblical truth. Those words are the consensus of the Church for over 2,000 years, and the firm belief held by the vast majority of Christians around the world today.

The Presidential Inaugural Committee and the White House have now declared historic, biblical Christianity to be out of bounds, casting it off the inaugural program as an embarrassment. By its newly articulated standard, any preacher who holds to the faith of the church for the last 2,000 years is persona non grata. By this standard, no Roman Catholic prelate or priest can participate in the ceremony. No Evangelical who holds to biblical orthodoxy is welcome. The vast majority of Christians around the world have been disinvited. Mormons, and the rabbis of Orthodox Judaism are out. Any Muslim imam who could walk freely in Cairo would be denied a place on the inaugural program. Billy Graham, who participated in at least ten presidential inaugurations is welcome no more. Rick Warren, who incited a similar controversy when he prayed at President Obama’s first inauguration, is way out of bounds. In the span of just four years, the rules are fully changed.

The gauntlet was thrown down yesterday, and the axe fell today. Wayne Besen, founder of the activist group Truth Wins Out, told The New York Times yesterday: “It is imperative that Giglio clarify his remarks and explain whether he has evolved on gay rights, like so many other faith and political leaders. It would be a shame to select a preacher with backward views on LBGT people at a moment when the nation is rapidly moving forward on our issues.”

And there you have it — anyone who has ever believed that homosexuality is morally problematic in any way must now offer public repentance and evidence of having “evolved” on the question. This is the language that President Obama used of his own “evolving” position on same-sex marriage. This is what is now openly demanded of Christians today. If you want to avoid being thrown off the program, you had better learn to evolve fast, and repent in public.

This is precisely what biblical Christians cannot do. While seeking to be gentle in spirit and ruthlessly Gospel-centered in speaking of any sin, we cannot cease to speak of sin as sin. To do so is not only to deny the authority of Scripture, not only to reject the moral consensus of the saints, but it undermines the Gospel itself. The Gospel makes no sense, and is robbed of its saving power, if sin is denied as sin.

An imbroglio is a painful and embarrassing conflict. The imbroglio surrounding Louie Giglio is not only painful, it is revealing. We now see the new Moral McCarthyism in its undisguised and unvarnished reality. If you are a Christian, get ready for the question you will now undoubtedly face: “Do you now or have you ever believed that homosexuality is a sin?” There is nowhere to hide.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: bhoinauguration; christianity; giglio; homosexualagenda; mccarthyism; mohler; moralabsolutes; obama; pastor; religiousleft

1 posted on 01/12/2013 10:25:23 AM PST by rhema
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To: rhema

Yet, had he been caught buggering little altar boys, or [gasp] fondling little girls, or been castigated by his congregation for ministering to all the sweet-boys down at the “Fluffy Bunny” near Piedmont Park, he’d be celebrated and defended to the maximum by the media for his “diversity.”


2 posted on 01/12/2013 10:33:27 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: rhema
As we now work to select someone to deliver the benediction, we will ensure their beliefs reflect this administration’s vision of inclusion and acceptance for all Americans.

Like the preacher who delivered the racist malediction at Obama's first inaugural?

3 posted on 01/12/2013 10:34:13 AM PST by omega4412
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To: rhema

Thanks for posting this, rhema. Albert Mohler once again hits the nail on the head. The Lord Jesus said we would be persecuted and hated. Church, be firm: here it is.


4 posted on 01/12/2013 10:34:51 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (On that Day He will come to judge the living and the dead, and the world by fire.)
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To: rhema

Style points for correct use of “imbroglio.” It’s so much more elegant than affixing “-gate” to a name or situation, as if that actually meant something.


5 posted on 01/12/2013 10:35:29 AM PST by Tax-chick (Please explain how my being in a fuss would help the situation.)
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To: rhema

Poor title and comparison. McCarthy was proven right.


6 posted on 01/12/2013 10:36:49 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: rhema

Louie Giglio, have you never read this passage of scripture?

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.” Romans 1:16


7 posted on 01/12/2013 10:37:02 AM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

God bless Albert Mohler, and his courage to hold to the truth, in these times in which any semblance of morality is thrown out the window.


8 posted on 01/12/2013 10:38:06 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: rhema

But, as usual, the liberals will get a pass on this sort of thing.

Why is Bill Clinton, a good liberal Democrat, never called out on the fact that he signed the Defense of Marriage Act?

Why are good liberals, such as Chuck Schumer, Pat Leahy, Joe Lieberman, Tom Harkin, etc., never called out on the fact that they voted for the Defense of Marriage Act???

The Defense of Marriage Act passed Congress by overwhelming margins, including overwhelming support by Democrats. Why aren’t the liberals purging their ranks of anyone who ever supported that hated (by liberal gay nazi types) law?????

If we’re to be consistent, the liberals have to eat their own on homosexual issues, if the criteria will be, have you ever supported anything which the homosexual community opposes???


9 posted on 01/12/2013 10:42:31 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: rhema

If you want to avoid being thrown off the program, you had better learn to evolve fast, and repent in public.

Obama’s regime is no different from the maoists who
forced self critisim on their opponents.

Then landlords and property owners, now christians.

Disgusting to see it here.


10 posted on 01/12/2013 10:46:56 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Yes, good read. A Biblicist Christian, desirous to carry out the ministry of reconciliation (2 Cor. 5), still must call sin what it is . . . sin, offense against God.


11 posted on 01/12/2013 10:47:32 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: rhema

Spot on!
The goal is Stasi level thought control


12 posted on 01/12/2013 10:49:25 AM PST by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: John Leland 1789

Yes, we’ve lost the ability to “call a spade a spade”.

I’ve had discussions with some more liberal people about sin, specifically sexual sins. And pointed out that clergy condemn all sexual related sin, including fornication, prostitution, etc., not just homosexual sin. But the liberals get fixated on the homosexual aspect of sexual sins, call you homophobic, and they can’t see beyond that.

Unfortunately this thinking has permeated the whole culture.


13 posted on 01/12/2013 10:50:40 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Mrs. Don-o; lightman; SmithL; Salvation; narses; wagglebee; Honorary Serb
Thanks for posting this, rhema. Albert Mohler once again hits the nail on the head. The Lord Jesus said we would be persecuted and hated. Church, be firm: here it is.

Shuns of Anarchy

". . . liberals are no longer satisfied by the church's silence on homosexuality. They will accept nothing less than the active embrace and celebration of what the Bible calls sin--or use totalitarian tactics to get it. What was once outrage over Christian activism has been replaced by outrage over Christian association. The White House has declared that anyone who holds to the belief--spoken or unspoken--that sexual immorality is wrong has no place at democracy's table.

"This should be a wake-up call to every evangelical who thinks they can pacify the Left by making the symptoms of immorality their sole focus and being silent on the cause: sin. As those who seek to emulate Christ, our approach must be holistic. We should help the hurting regardless of the cause, but we must also have the courage to go beyond the symptoms to the source. Engaging the world through social justice or conservationism may help us find common ground--but it will not mollify faith's detractors. Nothing less than one hundred percent capitulation will. . . ".

14 posted on 01/12/2013 10:55:23 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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15 posted on 01/12/2013 10:55:40 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: All
Here is Louie's message to members of Passion City Church (from the Passion City Church blog), and the full text of his letter to the White House:

Dear PCC Family,

Though I was invited by the President of the United States to pray at his upcoming inauguration, after conversations between our team and the White House I am no longer serving in that role. I sent the following statement to the White House today:

I am honored to be invited by the President to give the benediction at the upcoming inaugural on January 21. Though the President and I do not agree on every issue, we have fashioned a friendship around common goals and ideals, most notably, ending slavery in all its forms.

Due to a message of mine that has surfaced from 15-20 years ago, it is likely that my participation, and the prayer I would offer, will be dwarfed by those seeking to make their agenda the focal point of the inauguration. Clearly, speaking on this issue has not been in the range of my priorities in the past fifteen years. Instead, my aim has been to call people to ultimate significance as we make much of Jesus Christ.

Neither I, nor our team, feel it best serves the core message and goals we are seeking to accomplish to be in a fight on an issue not of our choosing, thus I respectfully withdraw my acceptance of the President’s invitation. I will continue to pray regularly for the President, and urge the nation to do so. I will most certainly pray for him on Inauguration Day.

Our nation is deeply divided and hurting, and more than ever we need God’s grace and mercy in our time of need.

The issue of homosexuality (which a particular message of mine some 20 years ago addressed) is one of the most difficult our nation will navigate. However, individuals’ rights of freedom, and the collective right to hold differing views on any subject is a critical balance we, as a people, must recover and preserve.

As a pastor, my mission is to love people, and lead them well, while lifting up the name of Jesus above anything else. I’m confident that anyone who knows me or has listened to the multitude of messages I have given in the last decade would most likely conclude that I am not easily characterized as being opposed to people—any people. Rather, I am constantly seeking to understand where all people are coming from and how to best serve them as I point them to Jesus.

In all things, the most helpful thing I can do is to invite each of us to wrestle with scripture and its implications for our lives. God’s words trump all opinions, including mine, and in the end, I believe God’s words lead to life.

My greatest desire is that we not be distracted from the things we are focused on…seeing people in our city come to know Jesus, and speaking up for the last and least of these throughout the world.

Honored to be your pastor,

Louie

16 posted on 01/12/2013 11:06:03 AM PST by Scoutmaster (End it now (enditmovement.com))
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To: rhema
(Article) Given the Bible’s insistance that sexual morality is inseparable from our “ultimate significance as we make much of Jesus Christ,” this must have been a difficult strategy

In the Catholic New Testament, one brief Epistle is included as canonical, that was written by St. Jude the Obscure to one of the early Christian congregations. His text? Sexual morality.

The Christians brought out of Judaism the concept of family and personal purity. It's all-encompassing and all-embracing, and it begins with personal moral cleanness and straightness and family observance.

17 posted on 01/12/2013 11:13:34 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: rhema
Engaging the world through social justice or conservationism may help us find common ground--but it will not mollify faith's detractors. Nothing less than one hundred percent capitulation will. . . ".

These are hateful people and can never be given even an ounce of "legitimacy" -- they are perverted, pure and simple.

Time for straights -- the 97% -- to grow a pair and throw off the parasites.

18 posted on 01/12/2013 11:26:37 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: rhema

Isn’t Obozo’s 20 year pastor, Rev. Wright, available?


19 posted on 01/12/2013 12:13:13 PM PST by golf lover (going)
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To: rhema

Why doesn’t the Regime do something honest and invite one of the following:
Jim Wallis
Jeremiah Wright
Father Pfleger (why isn’t he exommunmicated?)
and finally
Vickie Gene Robinsin

To display the true values of the Regime?

FUBO!


20 posted on 01/12/2013 12:16:44 PM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is the operational wing of CPUSA.)
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To: rhema
After the fiasco at the DNC convention no one should be surprised about this.

Obama and his party dispise Christianity. They'll pretend to go along for PR reasons but the DNC's platform regarding abortion, homosexuality, accountability, and other issues assure that no one can be a Democrat and a God-fearing Christian at the same time.

Someone will be chosen to give a blessing to Obama's ungodly administration. True Christians are sometimes led into the lion's den, to witness and work to change things from the inside, so I won't call that someone a Quisling, a stalking horse, or a hypocrite. There's at least a slight chance that somebody isn't an enemy of his own faith, hired to paste a veneer of respectability on pure evil, or a clueless "useful idiot" being used to legitimize an ungodly regime.

21 posted on 01/12/2013 12:49:32 PM PST by ZOOKER ( Exploring the fine line between cynicism and outright depression)
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To: Bryan24
Louie Giglio, have you never read this passage of scripture? “For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.” Romans 1:16

I believe you've misread Pastor Giglio's words, Bryan. His teaching is Biblical and points solely to Christ as He is revealed in Scripture. Giglio does not soft-pedal sin, but teaches that all of our sin points to our total reliance upon God's grace to atone for our sin.

Perhaps some who have not taken the time to look closer don't understand Giglio's ministry, which is targeted at college and young adults who may or may not have any familiarity with Christ or the Gospel. (I didn't know who he was until our small group used one of his series last year.) Like Jesus and the Apostles, Giglio invites everyone to come and hear the compelling truth of the Gospel, delivered in love and containing the power of God to transform the lives of all sinners to whom God grants to power to believe.

Louie Giglio is a solid Southern Baptist pastor whom this PCA believer respects as one of today's Christian giants. Don't shoot - he's one of the good guys!

22 posted on 01/12/2013 1:10:06 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: rhema

“Due to a message of mine that has surfaced from 15-20 years ago, it is likely that my participation, and the prayer I would offer, will be dwarfed by those seeking to make their agenda the focal point of the inauguration.”

Well, I guess this is conclusion Jesus would have reached. Sigh.


23 posted on 01/12/2013 1:12:34 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: rhema
The Gospel makes no sense, and is robbed of its saving power, if sin is denied as sin.

Well said.

24 posted on 01/12/2013 1:38:34 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Always A Marine

I read that article as he preached a sermon containing the truth, and now he is stepping down from the inaugural festivites to avoid the truth becoming inconvient for him and/or the president.


25 posted on 01/12/2013 1:48:32 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Gaffer
Yet, had he been caught buggering little altar boys, or [gasp] fondling little girls, or been castigated by his congregation for ministering to all the sweet-boys down at the “Fluffy Bunny” near Piedmont Park, he’d be celebrated and defended to the maximum by the media for his “diversity.”

Au contraire! Witness the reaction of the Boston Globe to the sex abuse by Catholic priests. The Globe went ballistic and stayed that way for several years. Now don't get me wrong, I think those priests should have been put UNDER the jail, but that's not why the Globe spilled so much ink on the issue. They weren't worried about the children as much as they wanted to reduce the influence of the Catholic Church in the coming push for homosexual marriage in MA.

Within 18 months of the break of the scandal, the Supreme Judicial Court in MA allowed homosexual marriage by fiat, and the Church had lost much of its credibility to fight it, though the Bishops tried hard. They actually might have eventually succeeded, but for the election of 'Cadillac' Deval, who bribed 5 state legislators to vote against allowing the citizens of the Commonwealth to have a say in the issue. Sadly, those legislators never paid any political price for their turn.

What the Boston Globe never said during all this time was that they were in support of NAMBLA, the National Man Boy Love Association, which wants to lower the age of sexual consent to 12. If that lowering were to succeed, it would have rendered moot the vast majority of charges against the priests involved in the abuse scandal, because much of it involved tween or teenaged boys.

26 posted on 01/12/2013 1:53:49 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Dilbert San Diego

And already, the “academics” are attempting to designate pedophilia as a “sexual orientation.”


27 posted on 01/12/2013 1:54:06 PM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: rhema
These leaders of our's are from hell whether they know it or not.

They need to be opposed at every opportunity.

28 posted on 01/12/2013 2:49:11 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Bryan24
I read that article as he preached a sermon containing the truth, and now he is stepping down from the inaugural festivites to avoid the truth becoming inconvient for him and/or the president.

Do you really believe that Louie Giglio is compromising the truth by withdrawing from the inauguration? I don't for a minute.

It is clear from their subsequent comments that the inaugural committee was going to "disinvite" Giglio had he not withdrawn, and he could only participate at the pleasure of the President. It would have been futile to try to force himself into a place where he was no longer wanted, and prevailing would have only guaranteed angry demonstrations against him that would have detracted from the event in which he was participating. Giglio chose not to make a bad situation worse, and had the grace to simply decline the earlier invitation.

The more important work of his calling - to preach and teach the unvarnished Gospel of Christ - goes on...

29 posted on 01/12/2013 3:09:37 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: rhema
He should not have backed down in my opinion.

In fact, he should have spoke and turned it up a notch by referring to this topic in his talk.

The homohadists only win when society gives up then we all lose.

30 posted on 01/12/2013 3:21:43 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: Always A Marine
Giglio chose not to make a bad situation worse, and had the grace to simply decline the earlier invitation.

In other words, he surrendered the battlefield and retreated.

Some say that the measure of belief and or faith is in deciding what one is willing to die for -that is why law recognizes a conscientious objection as a legitimate premise for not obeying a law.

Martyrs faced more than the ridicule this man of faith runs from. I pray that his 'grace' is not adopted by too many because the storm clouds are on the horizon, the danger is clear and present; we face evil right now and evil will not compromise nor be defeated by the surrender of truth. Surrendering truth simply emboldens the enemies of freedom and leaves but one remedy 0sacrifice of blood and treasure...

31 posted on 01/12/2013 3:33:56 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: rhema

If this is the Lou Giglio I’m thinking of, he is FANTASTIC! See his You Tube Video: How Great is Our God. He loves astronomy and loves to showcase the Creator’s greatness through astronomy. Fantastic.


32 posted on 01/12/2013 3:48:47 PM PST by freepertoo
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35 posted on 01/12/2013 4:56:50 PM PST by narses
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In other words, he surrendered the battlefield and retreated. Some say that the measure of belief and or faith is in deciding what one is willing to die for -that is why law recognizes a conscientious objection as a legitimate premise for not obeying a law. Martyrs faced more than the ridicule this man of faith runs from. I pray that his 'grace' is not adopted by too many because the storm clouds are on the horizon, the danger is clear and present; we face evil right now and evil will not compromise nor be defeated by the surrender of truth. Surrendering truth simply emboldens the enemies of freedom and leaves but one remedy 0sacrifice of blood and treasure...

It is sadly dismaying to see how quickly some Freepers will shoot their best allies in the back while they fight in the front lines. Louie Giglio is one of those allies.

The inauguration ceremony is not Pastor Giglio's battlefield. Tell me, how would it advance the Gospel of Christ if Pastor Giglio demanded that he be allowed to deliver the benediction at the ceremony? Would the Almighty God be honored by such behavior?

Pastor Giglio's battlefields are Passion City Church in Atlanta and the numerous conferences held around the country. Because of Giglio's ministry, tens of thousands of young adults - raised as unbelievers - now follow Christ. Tens of thousands who were raised and taught that there is no such thing as "sin" now know the Savior who died and rose again to forgive them. Tens of thousands who were raised and taught to approve of all forms of immorality - including homosexuality - now know that God has a perfect provision for our intimate relationships. Those are Louie Giglio's battlefields, where God has placed him.

36 posted on 01/12/2013 5:02:15 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: freepertoo

One and the same!


37 posted on 01/12/2013 5:03:18 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: Always A Marine
It is sadly dismaying to see how quickly some Freepers will shoot their best allies in the back while they fight in the front lines. Louie Giglio is one of those allies.

I would believe you IF he stated that he was not participating because of something he believes in and teaches TODAY!

RATHER than stating it was about something 15-20 years ago.

Actions count.

38 posted on 01/12/2013 8:51:09 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers
He DOES still teach it, DBeers. He just hasn't done a whole sermon centering on homosexuality in that time. Giglio teaches that the Bible clearly condemns ALL sexual immorality, which is absolutely true. You are condemning one of the best Christian teachers alive today out of pure ignorance.

You're right that actions do indeed count. Louie Giglio's actions can be counted in thousands of changed lives. I wish my own actions counted that high!

39 posted on 01/12/2013 9:47:48 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: rhema
Am I alone in seeing this in a completely different context?

I was shocked to find out Giglio had accepted being part of the Obama Inauguration sham....(& hadn't even known he was invited)

What is a benediction?.....A benediction is a blessing!

Why would a 'Christian' want to be part of blessing this cutthroat, evil, socialistic administration------accessory to murder of millions of unborn babies?

I know of Giglio well.....and thought highly of him.

I don't now.

40 posted on 01/13/2013 4:47:41 AM PST by Guenevere (....)
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To: rhema
A fair-minded reading of that statement indicates that Pastor Giglio has strategically avoided any confrontation with the issue of homosexuality for at least fifteen years. The issue “has not been in the range of my priorities,” he said.

Well, it was in the range of his priorities when it confronted him head on. Rather than let the lies in the form of flowery platitudes of diversity and inclusion stand he should have confronted them head on. Instead he retreats to the politically correct safety zone of 'priorities'.

41 posted on 01/13/2013 12:30:51 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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It sounds like he has decided his anti-slavery work is so important that he will embrace ‘Christianity light’.
42 posted on 01/14/2013 5:22:43 AM PST by HogsBreath
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To: Guenevere
In other words, a Christian pastor has been effectively disinvited from delivering an inaugural prayer because he believes and teaches Christian truth.

The fact that Giglio was actually disinvited was made clear in a statement from Addie Whisenant of the Presidential Inaugural Committee:

“We were not aware of Pastor Giglio’s past comments at the time of his selection, and they don’t reflect our desire to celebrate the strength and diversity of our country at this inaugural. Pastor Giglio was asked to deliver the benediction in large part because of his leadership in combating human trafficking around the world. As we now work to select someone to deliver the benediction, we will ensure their beliefs reflect this administration’s vision of inclusion and acceptance for all Americans.”
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It still is not clear to me what happened. Either he was "uninvited", by the Inaugural Committee sending a letter stating specifically that fact, or he wasn't really uninvited because they didn't send such a letter. It sounds to me right now as though he voluntarily relinquished his speaking opportunity because of something that someone who is not on the Inaugural Committee said. It just sounds as though he was too quick to resign instead of being actually uninvited, and then make a moral case out of that. This way he sounds like an apologetic feel-good preacher not wishing to offend.

43 posted on 01/14/2013 6:25:34 AM PST by wildandcrazyrussian
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'Spiritual' leaders are held to a higher standard...(says so in the Bible!)...and they are.

Giglio, through the years, has done amazing things (in God's kingdom) & reached millions of people.

But we should never take any organization or leader for granted, or let down our defenses....the 'enemy' will always try to find a way in.

It could involve the 'leader's' ego.....or time issues....or priorities.....it could creep in slowly....but surely.

And then, the 'leader' is compromised.

I hope.....I truly do....Giglio will wake up and say...'What have I done'......'Why would I ever agree to 'bless' the Obama administration....'What was I thinking?'

But until that happens....if it happens....we need to be very wary of him.

Tim Wildmon has written similar thoughts on this, as well.

Suffice to say.....one does not bless the most murderous administration in history(Obama's pro death in agreement to the over 50 million dead babies)....

...one does not bless a leader who hates America is is hastening to bring her demise.

44 posted on 01/14/2013 8:50:37 AM PST by Guenevere (....)
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