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The Children of Caesar /( Government Schools and Children)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drUJWX_Endw&feature=endscreen ^

Posted on 01/12/2013 2:22:46 PM PST by wintertime

The Children of Caesar

Dr. Voddie Baucham explains that if parents turn their children over to Ceasar don't be surprised that they come home as Romans.

Some facts in the video:

---A government indoctrinated child in the godless government schools will spend 14,000 hours of "seat time" in these schools.

---70% of children from evangelical homes will not be active in their faith after their freshman year in college.

Please conservatives! Remove your children from the godless government schools. Yes, we may win short term political goals but we will lose in the long run if we continue to allow our nation's children to be educated by the enemy. Children who attend government schools **will** learn to think and reason godlessly. They must, at least while in the school. They must just to cooperate in the godless classroom, read their godless textbooks, and complete their godless assignments.

Conservatives please visit the Exodus Mandate website:

http://exodusmandate.org/

Please join with other Conservatives and Christians who understand the danger that our government's godless socialist-entitlement and single-payer schoosl pose to our nation's children and to our nation's continuing freedom.

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1 posted on 01/12/2013 2:22:50 PM PST by wintertime
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To: metmom

ARTH

The statistics on evangelical children remaining active in their faith are very discouraging. I imagine it must be worse for those children whose families are less well grounded in their faith.


2 posted on 01/12/2013 2:24:58 PM PST by wintertime
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To: All

To the Government School Defenders:

Please do not post to me or send private mail to me for the duration of this thread. Please comment as you wish on the topic of the thread or my comments. Please feel free to use my name but please no contact.

I have come to the conclusion that some issues are beyond defense. There is no argument that can justify forcing a child to attend a godless government run socialist-entitlement school or forcing a taxpayer to uphold and establish with their hard earn wages the establishment of this godless and socialist worldview. No government should use the threat of police and court action to force this on to a child or force a citizen support this government school First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination.

By the way, I feel the same way about abortion. To engage in debate lends legitimacy to the abomination.


3 posted on 01/12/2013 2:34:09 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Catholic parents who don’t provide home schooling or place their children in Catholic school are playing Russian Roulette with their child’s formation. Besides the endless propaganda, the academics are ridiculously superior. I see parents who sacrifice dining out, better cars or homes, and even getting a job just to pay tuition. Those are real family values.


4 posted on 01/12/2013 2:36:49 PM PST by mgist
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To: wintertime
As the child of evangelical parents, I was in church almost every day.

Got very sick of it. As soon as I was somewhat independent, I quit doing that and never went back, except for the occasional wedding or funeral.

That was nearly 50 years ago. I won't be changing that.

5 posted on 01/12/2013 2:55:13 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper
Did you attend public schools?

Yes this is anecdotal, but I have noticed that children who are homeschooled look forward to going to church to meet with and socialize with friends and ( as they grow older) listening to the sermons, actively participating in Sunday School class, and taking on leadership positions. The children who are institutionalized for their schooling look at going to church as just another tedious **school** experience. ( Brick and mortar church buildings, sitting still, more talks ( sermons), etc.)

Also....It has been my observation that the children who attend government school feel pulled in two directions. It's like they are the cart and the parents are one set of oxen pulling in one direction and the godless school environment is pulling in another.

The statistics show that 95% of homeschoolers ( in complete contrast to government schooled children) remain active in their faith. Maybe it is because they don't feel pulled apart.

6 posted on 01/12/2013 3:10:45 PM PST by wintertime
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To: mgist

Catholic parents need to be wary. If they can’t homeschool then they should look to join with other Catholic parents and hire a teacher for their little group.

Why?

My daughter taught in a Texas Catholic K-12 school. All of the teachers, the principal, and the supervising priest voted for Obama. This is a candidate who was highly supportive of abortion and even vote THREE times to deny care to children who managed to survive their abortion. My daughter’s class was the only class than did not watch Obama flub his oath of office.


7 posted on 01/12/2013 3:14:12 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
Did you attend public schools?

Yes, starting in 1957. Things were a little different then.

Having said that, I was sick of the church drill before then.

8 posted on 01/12/2013 3:43:36 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: wintertime
The statistics show that 95% of homeschoolers ( in complete contrast to government schooled children) remain active in their faith. Maybe it is because they don't feel pulled apart.

And of course you can supply an unbiased/ legitimate source for this claim.

9 posted on 01/12/2013 6:19:39 PM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: verga
I politely request that you not post to me or send private e-mail for the duration of this thread. Please feel free to comment on the content of the thread or on the content of my posts. You have my permission to use my name but please **no** contact.

Respectfully and politely,

Wintertime

10 posted on 01/12/2013 6:52:15 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

That is a great statement of truth: “Don’t be surprised if when you turn your children over to Ceasar, they come home as Romans.” The Romans were slaves. The pegan Romans were sex obessed, materialistic, abusive, immoral and cruel.

This society has “progressed” (digressed) from mere child neglect to aggressive child abuse and it’s only going to get worse. Christian (and Jewish) parents have to stop lying to themselves. It’s waaaaay serious now.

This generation’s systematic program of cultural cleansing (named diversity), targeted at American-American children, is nothing to laugh about. Being stripped of all idenity and demonized as the whole world’s hellish problem tribe, is serious business. Ask the American indians. Ask the Black skinned people. Ask the Jews. The self hating, ignornant empty hole targeted at the human soul, is hell.

We need to not only teach Christian American children who they are in Jesus, but also about who they are as free American self reliant people. It’s the best the world has ever seen. Which is why the dark ones have targeted it for erasure.

Parents! Put a stop to it! Rescue your children.


11 posted on 01/12/2013 7:07:42 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: wintertime
Just so everyone is clear you statistic of 95% is a fabrication with no basis in reality.

Thank you for clearing that up. Because if you could prove it and it was a legitimate number you would have cited your source when you made the claim.

12 posted on 01/12/2013 7:26:18 PM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: verga

I politely request that you not post to me or send private e-mail for the duration of this thread. Please feel free to comment on the content of the thread or on the content of my posts. You have my permission to use my name but please **no** contact.
Respectfully and politely,

Wintertime


13 posted on 01/12/2013 8:23:29 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
Please do not post to me or send private mail to me for the duration of this thread.

I have never seen such a request. So you just want to preach to the choir and leave it at that.

May I respectly request that you not post, if you do not intend to participate.

I have known many "Wintertimes", and you are not good for homeschooling.

14 posted on 01/12/2013 9:24:08 PM PST by super7man
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To: wintertime

I know who Obama is, and your example is not the norm. That is still 100x better than what children will experience in public schools. The other “Christian” schools are like a box of chocolates, never know what your going to get. Most are generally lovely people, but count on about 20%, of those people to feel perfectly entitled to get UGLY towards Catholics. That was my experience.

There are options of Catholic schools. I imagine that in Texas, like Florida, Democrats were easily able to paint Republicans as immigrant haters etc. That hostile stance on immigration is also against our beliefs. I’m glad your daughter made a difference, you should be proud of her.


15 posted on 01/13/2013 4:33:16 AM PST by mgist
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To: super7man
I have never seen such a request. So you just want to preach to the choir and leave it at that. May I respectly request that you not post, if you do not intend to participate. I have known many "Wintertimes", and you are not good for homeschooling.

Prepare for the "wrath of wintertime." You will now automatically be labeled as: 1) Public school defender

2) Useful idiot 3) any other derogatory comment that might come to mind.

Many others have told him/ her the exact same thing and it has only served to increase winter's rage. Thank you for trying.

16 posted on 01/13/2013 6:23:55 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: super7man
I politely request that you not post to me or send private e-mail for the duration of this thread. Please feel free to comment on the content of the thread or on the content of my posts. You have my permission to use my name but please do so without contacting me.

Respectfully and politely,

Wintertime

17 posted on 01/13/2013 6:28:41 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
The children who are institutionalized for their schooling look at going to church as just another tedious **school** experience.

That was me, exactly. CCD wasn't important, because my grades didn't matter to colleges.

I was impressed by the witness of the few remaining sisters, but the catechesis had been watered down by the early 70s.

By the time I graduated HS, I was thoroughly confused, simultaneously holding Jesus and Mick Jagger as heroes. I spent my 20s trying (successfully) to figure out what had happened in the preceding 20. This was a grace.

Sadly, many people.never figure it.out, or even worse, don't know that something was done to their heads. That's the worst legacy of compulsory schooling.

When I mentioned to a peer, post graduation, that I was troubled by the contradictions of school, she responded, "you thought too much." Yup, that's what she said. I was dumbfounded.

18 posted on 01/13/2013 6:40:09 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Sadly, many people.never figure it.out, or even worse, don't know that something was done to their heads.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This blindness is often clearly evident in the posts found on these schooling threads. The posters are completely unaware that their brains have been scrambled.

Voddie Bauchman states in the video that this indoctrination is plainly seen just in the questions that are posed to homeschoolers. They are like fish swimming in government school water. They don't see the godless government school indoctrination they are swimming in.

19 posted on 01/13/2013 7:36:36 AM PST by wintertime
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
One more thing:

The day for these children starts off with an early morning rush, 6 or more hours confined to school, one to two hours confined to a school bus, and then they have as much **HOMEwork** in the evening as my homeschoolers did all day.

I observe that the institutionalized children are **desperate** for play time. Coming to church cuts into their already severely restricted play time. Gee! No wonder they are sullen, resentful, withdrawn, mostly silent, give grudging monosyllabic responses to adults, and have that 20 degree off-centered stare.

I suspect that the children with whom I work have many of the social and behavior characteristics of prisoners.

20 posted on 01/13/2013 7:42:08 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
I observe that the institutionalized children are **desperate** for play time. Coming to church cuts into their already severely restricted play time. Gee! No wonder they are sullen,

Me again.

21 posted on 01/13/2013 8:38:25 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: wintertime
The statistics show that 95% of homeschoolers ( in complete contrast to government schooled children) remain active in their faith. Maybe it is because they don't feel pulled apart.

Please let me know the source of this statistic

22 posted on 01/13/2013 10:29:16 AM PST by Hope for the Republic (The 1st amendment is protected by the 2nd amendment)
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To: wintertime; Reaganite Republican; Clintons Are White Trash; HerrBlucher; mgist; raptor22; ...

Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem;
Creatorem caeli et terrae.

Et in Jesum Christum,
Filium eius unicum, Dominum nostrum;
qui conceptus est
de Spiritu Sancto,
natus ex Maria virgine;
passus sub Pontio Pilato,
crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus;
descendit ad inferos;
tertia die resurrexit a mortuis;
ascendit ad caelos;
sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis;
inde venturus est
iudicare vivos et mortuos.

Credo in Spiritum Sanctum;
sanctam ecclesiam catholicam;
sanctorum communionem;
remissionem peccatorum;
carnis resurrectionem;
vitam aeternam. Amen.

In English:

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ,
his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived
by the power of the Holy Spirit,
and born of the Virgin Mary,
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
He descended into hell.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
he will come again
to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen


23 posted on 01/13/2013 10:33:04 AM PST by narses
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To: wintertime; Reaganite Republican; Clintons Are White Trash; HerrBlucher; mgist; raptor22; ...

Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem;
Creatorem caeli et terrae.

Et in Jesum Christum,
Filium eius unicum, Dominum nostrum;
qui conceptus est
de Spiritu Sancto,
natus ex Maria virgine;
passus sub Pontio Pilato,
crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus;
descendit ad inferos;
tertia die resurrexit a mortuis;
ascendit ad caelos;
sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis;
inde venturus est
iudicare vivos et mortuos.

Credo in Spiritum Sanctum;
sanctam ecclesiam catholicam;
sanctorum communionem;
remissionem peccatorum;
carnis resurrectionem;
vitam aeternam. Amen.

In English:

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ,
his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived
by the power of the Holy Spirit,
and born of the Virgin Mary,
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
He descended into hell.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
he will come again
to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen


24 posted on 01/13/2013 10:33:34 AM PST by narses
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To: Hope for the Republic; wintertime

http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp


25 posted on 01/13/2013 10:37:05 AM PST by narses
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To: narses; wintertime
That site shows testing scores. wintetime’s claims was that 95% of homeschoolers retain their faith. I did not see any studies about faith. What heading are they under?
26 posted on 01/13/2013 11:52:05 AM PST by Hope for the Republic (The 1st amendment is protected by the 2nd amendment)
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To: Hope for the Republic
I politely request that you not post to me or send private e-mail for the duration of this thread. Please feel free to comment on the content of the thread or on the content of my posts. You have my permission to use my name but please do so without contacting me.
Respectfully and politely,

Wintertime

27 posted on 01/13/2013 5:36:00 PM PST by wintertime
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To: narses

This creed should be the guiding light of all Catholics. Catholic children will not learn any of these principles in their godless government school. However...They **will** learn to think and reason godlessly. They must just to cooperated in the godless classroom.


28 posted on 01/13/2013 5:39:37 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

I agree.


29 posted on 01/13/2013 5:55:49 PM PST by narses
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To: Hope for the Republic

Try Google. Or Radio Shack, I hear they have answers.


30 posted on 01/13/2013 5:56:41 PM PST by narses
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To: super7man

What are you worried about?


31 posted on 01/13/2013 5:58:33 PM PST by narses
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To: verga

“Just so everyone is clear you statistic of 95% is a fabrication with no basis in reality.”

Nope. Logic is clearly not your field of study.


32 posted on 01/13/2013 6:03:34 PM PST by narses
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To: narses
What are you worried about?

Nothing really, my days of home schooling are long over and it was a great 13 years of doing it.

I just find wintertimes's "My way is the only way." a bit tedious.

33 posted on 01/13/2013 9:12:59 PM PST by super7man
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To: verga
Prepare for the "wrath of wintertime."

Thank you for the warning. It would not be the first time I have run into "wintertime". Indeed it is cold.

34 posted on 01/13/2013 9:16:08 PM PST by super7man
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To: narses
Nope. Logic is clearly not your field of study.

If wintertime can't show where he/ she got that number why should it be believed? also the fact that wintertime refuses to engage in debate and would simply pontificate on a matter does little to support his/ her position.

35 posted on 01/14/2013 2:27:04 AM PST by Hope for the Republic (The 1st amendment is protected by the 2nd amendment)
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