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Action Alert: Whether the Semi-Auto Ban Passes May Depend on What Happens to the Senate Rules
Gun Owners of America ^ | 1/10/2013 | Gun Owners of America

Posted on 01/12/2013 4:58:25 PM PST by FR_addict

McCain may be working to stab us in the back

Oppose the McCain package and support the Paul amendment

The Blaze reported recently that Vice President Joe Biden "guaranteed" to ailing Boston Mayor Tom Menino that sweeping gun control legislation would be passed by the end of January.

How sweeping?

A quick look at Feinstein's semi-auto ban legislation suggests that up to 75% of all handguns currently in circulation would be banned, along with as much as 50% of all long guns.

Depending on its configuration, the AR-15's already in circulation would be treated like machine guns. The owner would have to be fingerprinted, background checked by the FBI, and undergo a six-month license application process to keep it. And when he died, the government will seize it.

If the owner didn't get an NFA license, he could expect the SWAT teams to descend on his house. etc...

(Excerpt) Read more at capwiz.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; guns; secondamendment
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1 posted on 01/12/2013 4:58:31 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: FR_addict

Won’t pass the House. Senate is irrelevant.


2 posted on 01/12/2013 5:01:09 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: FR_addict

I think it depends more on what happens in the House of Represntatives.


3 posted on 01/12/2013 5:01:14 PM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: FR_addict

If a million or two mostly armed citizens showed up on the DC mall and in their state capitols, I’m thinking that gun confiscation would go the way of the ERA amendment.


4 posted on 01/12/2013 5:03:05 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Vendome

Who’s the speaker of the House? What passed on his watch?


5 posted on 01/12/2013 5:04:16 PM PST by wastedyears (My life mostly completely turned around in a few weeks. Now to leave NY...)
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To: FR_addict

This will never stand.
It’s like saying you cannot sell the house or car you legally own.


6 posted on 01/12/2013 5:07:16 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Yeah. Just like Reagan’s gun ban of 85 didn’t stand.


7 posted on 01/12/2013 5:15:33 PM PST by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: Vendome

House and senate are irrelevant. Zero will use EO. No one will stop him.


8 posted on 01/12/2013 5:16:58 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: cableguymn

That’s what I’m trying to calculate right now.
Should I buy more ammo at inflated prices while it exists, or wait out the craze?
I had quite a bit before the boating accident which resulted in a total loss of my arsenal.
I think he’s going to have overplayed his hand if he goes the EO route.
Too many states will resist.


9 posted on 01/12/2013 5:30:53 PM PST by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: FR_addict

won’t matter, nobody is going to obey it. we all know it’s unconstitutioonal and therefore, void. as citizens we will have to take this stand.
further if you live in a state that protects this right, the state has an obligation to protect its citizens from unconstitutional fedgov laws, and fedgov will be in direct’conflict with their state constitutions and that doesn’t make them all/of a sudden void.


10 posted on 01/12/2013 5:35:53 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

DC has very restrictive gu laws. If people showed up on the mall armed they would surely be mass arrests, and although they could not find a jail large enough to hold them all the fines would be severe.

Don’t get me wrong I like the idea, but I have a feeling the Army would meet us there it would be a trap.


11 posted on 01/12/2013 5:39:17 PM PST by Venturer
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To: FReepers; Patriots



Don't put it off.


BTW, Today would be a great day to make that donation.
Thank you very much!!

12 posted on 01/12/2013 5:41:20 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Venturer

Are you certain that the Army would enforce such an action?

I’m not.


13 posted on 01/12/2013 5:46:47 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: FR_addict
I used the link at GOA and sent my Rep's an e-mail. Not sure if it will help, but it is better than doing nothing. Next step will be to vote for a new congress critter if mine will not protect the 2nd amendment.
14 posted on 01/12/2013 5:48:56 PM PST by EXCH54FE (Hurricane 416)
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To: Venturer
DC has very restrictive gu laws. If people showed up on the mall armed they would surely be mass arrests, and although they could not find a jail large enough to hold them all the fines would be severe.

Also, you assume that folks who would dare show up armed, would "let" themselves be arrested without trouble?

I think the bureaKaRATZ would find themselves outnumbered, pee their pants and "put off" mass arrests for "another day."

Don't get me wrong, they would take pictures and show up at people's houses one by one, like a good coward would.

15 posted on 01/12/2013 5:51:43 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve been thinking about organizing an “open carry” day for those in states that allow open carry...perhaps April 15th.

Feedback?


16 posted on 01/12/2013 5:52:15 PM PST by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: ConradofMontferrat

But are you certain they wouldn’t?


17 posted on 01/12/2013 5:52:49 PM PST by Venturer
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To: ConradofMontferrat

I am not assuming anything.

I know during the riots of 68 the Nationa Guard was posted without bullets to guard the Nations Capitol. That was a joke. They just stood there and watched the looting.

That could be what would happen. The guard posted with no bullets. Something else that could happen is some idiot getting pushed and starting a hail of gunfire like Tianamen square. No I don’;t assume anything, but anyone who goes to DC with a million man crowd and a gun better be ready to lose his gun or open fire. It only takes one idiot on either side to make a bloodbath.


18 posted on 01/12/2013 5:57:07 PM PST by Venturer
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To: cableguymn

Let him try ....


19 posted on 01/12/2013 6:10:45 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: FR_addict

I am ready to ban Congress.


20 posted on 01/12/2013 6:17:56 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: FR_addict

Let me help y’all out. You are operating under the mistaken belief that anyone in the Congress gives a rat’s patootie about what you think.

They don’t.

Under this POTUS, the rule of law is dead and the Constitution has been shredded. The sooner y’all understand that, the sooner we can begin to make plans for the reality of what America has become over the past 4 years and stop living in the 80s under Reagan!


21 posted on 01/12/2013 6:26:57 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

More likely is that several States will begin to ignore Federal Laws leading to a Constitutional crisis. It does seem to be coming...


22 posted on 01/12/2013 6:36:42 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: Venturer

Believe me friend, your concerns are NOT without merit. I didn’t think you were assuming anything (but maybe the worst case, and that’s understandable.)

I remember the NG with no rounds. I KNOW BeeHOe will not make that mistake. Just take a look at the ammo acquisitions the Ratz have made in the last year. It’s startling.

We are on uncharted territory here. It could go either way.

As for the military, I can’t guess what the newbies would do, but I’m fairly confident about the veterans. In God and Veterans I trust. Let the commie pigs worry about how it will go.

But my point is this: if a crowd with weapons shows up, (I will NOT be one) I personally don’t think they are going to be willing to give up their weapons.

Unfortunately, it will most likely be ugly. And that’s not our doing.

Look after yourself and your family. Its the best you can do in bad times.

Have a happy.


23 posted on 01/12/2013 6:38:51 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: Vendome

We can pray.


24 posted on 01/12/2013 6:40:35 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The only thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that criminals will always get them.)
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To: Vendome

“Won’t pass the House. Senate is irrelevant.”

I wouldn’t count on that.

It -will- pass the Senate. We’re seeing the beginning of a cave and capitulation by Senate Republicans, and it won’t matter because if the filibuster is removed, it will pass the Senate easily (even if Republicans there were united against it).

By the time it gets that far, the momentum will be established and the pressure will be on in the House. I would reckon that so much heat is going to be applied to House democrats, that we may see 95% or more of them vote for passage, irregardless of their previous “NRA ratings”. Once that becomes clear, there may be enough pressure brought to bear upon the weaker House Republicans, that Obama may pick off enough of them to eke out a bare majority.

I’d give gun control a 50-50 chance of getting through Congress right now. If the ‘rats and the media can maintain the barrage, those odds may tip in their favor.

Not the best scenario, but that’s how I see it. I’ll happily eat the crow if things go the other way.

A side note: went to a gun shop on Rt. 15 near Berlin, Connecticut today, and the parking lot was so jammed we couldn’t even get into the driveway — they had a cop there directing traffic inside the parking lot!


25 posted on 01/12/2013 7:11:28 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Blood of Tyrants
We can pray.

Yep, that's the right answer and the place to start.

Maybe God will change their and our hearts and minds and move us back and away from crossing these lines in the sand if we ask.

No way He wants us to do what we will do to each other if we continue down this path, not when He told us to love each other.

Gotta keep some perspective. This is the world between Heaven and Hell and what we do in it decides which one we go to next.

Time to ask for some help from the only one (no, not the instigator in the WH) who truly can help with our problem.

26 posted on 01/12/2013 7:36:21 PM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: FR_addict; All

If this passes, people will start getting the names and addresses of those who will be participating in the confiscation. They must put their head down each night to rest too.


27 posted on 01/12/2013 7:36:40 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: FR_addict

“McCain may be working to stab us in the back”

Well, duh.....


28 posted on 01/12/2013 7:42:01 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Clump
Should I buy more ammo at inflated prices while it exists, or wait out the craze?

Depends on how patient you can be. I had some ammo in my "shopping cart" at one of the online vendors, just before Christmas. I crossed my fingers when the news about Sandy Hook hit, hoping to be able to wait until after the holidays to place that order.

That item now reads: Backorder Only; ETA: October, 2013.

October!

29 posted on 01/12/2013 8:06:12 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: EXCH54FE
I used the link at GOA and sent my Rep's an e-mail.

Are you sure it's a good idea to send emails? I think a letter would be more effective. To dash off an Internet missive takes little time and preparation. OTOH, a letter does and I think it has a bigger impact.

Erasing an email is also quickly done. Throwing a letter away is another matter.

Just my opinion.

30 posted on 01/12/2013 8:15:22 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: FR_addict

How about a ten million man (armed) march on Washington?


31 posted on 01/12/2013 8:59:58 PM PST by trickyricky
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To: FR_addict

I don’t understand why people keep saying this is up to the Senate rules.

Is there any way these bills could get through the house?


32 posted on 01/12/2013 9:23:50 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Road Glide

You know what I’m thinking could be a strategy. The House and Senate vote for The bill in the affirmative and Barry vetoes it.

So it comes back to Congress where both houses vote for it again only this time there are enough votes to over ride the Veto and 2/3rds approve the bill, Barry goes on TV, does a head feignt and says “Well it is the will of the people, who have overwhelmingly voted for this sensible control and I will answer the American People and sign this into legislation”.

What’s sickening right now is even my Leftard brother thinks AR’s and certain other arms are going to get Pelosied.

I remain optimistic not much will be done. They risk a shooting war if they take Pelosi’s legislation.

I sure as hell don’t want that. I just want to be left alone.


33 posted on 01/12/2013 9:25:55 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: OldPossum
It's my understanding that since the anthrax scare, letters don't even go directly to the representative offices.

I don't know if emails or letters do any good or not. Telephones are probably better if you can get through and they don't take the phones off the hook.

Letters to the Editor may help.

34 posted on 01/13/2013 7:13:00 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: Vendome
If the owner didn't get an NFA license, he could expect the SWAT teams to descend on his house. etc...

Won’t pass the House. Senate is irrelevant.

And what sort of trickery was involved when parts of ObamaCare were "deemed" to have passed in the House?

How this plays out over the next month or two will be telling in how far Zero and his minions are prepared to go with their agenda and whether or not they think they can get away with killing the People into submission. What was the real fallout from Waco and Ruby Ridge?

35 posted on 01/13/2013 7:30:09 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: FR_addict

I agree that it is not clear whether emails or letters help but my point was, of the two, letters are more effective because they indicate that a person sat down and carefully thought out what he was writing whereas emails are often just dashed off.

Telephone calls, if you can get through to the right person in the senator’s or representative’s office who is overlooking the particular issue, are better. That is for sure.


36 posted on 01/13/2013 8:39:22 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: FR_addict

I agree that it is not clear whether emails or letters help but my point was, of the two, letters are more effective because they indicate that a person sat down and carefully thought out what he was writing whereas emails are often just dashed off.

Telephone calls, if you can get through to the right person in the senator’s or representative’s office who is overlooking the particular issue, may be better.


37 posted on 01/13/2013 8:45:41 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: Deagle

Actually, we have had a Constitutional crisis for the past 4 years. Our government, as it operates today, is irreparably broken and cannot be fixed at the ballot box.

So, you are correct. How the states respond to the continued ignorance and usurpation of our Constitutional rights is the key. The RINOpublican governors appear to be waiting to see who blinks first.


38 posted on 01/13/2013 10:23:45 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: trebb

That trickery was done when they had a majority in the House. They don’t this time around.


39 posted on 01/13/2013 11:57:04 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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