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Patrick Kennedy sees ‘mad rush’ to legalize marijuana
Washington Times ^ | 01/11/13

Posted on 01/12/2013 5:01:28 PM PST by Wolfie

Patrick Kennedy sees ‘mad rush’ to legalize marijuana

Ex-congressman’s cautionary efforts provoke pushback

DENVER — Not all Coloradans appreciated former Rep. Patrick J. Kennedy harshing their buzz Wednesday with his anti-marijuana effort.

Mr. Kennedy received a mixed reception at the unveiling of Project Smart Approaches to Marijuana, known as Project SAM, which seeks to spread information about the medical and public-health drawbacks of legalizing marijuana.

“Project SAM was created because we were concerned about the mad rush to legalization in this country and the false dichotomy presented as policy,” Mr. Kennedy said. “Incarceration or legalization. Lock ‘em up or let ‘em use. This is not where we want this debate to devolve to. … We need a more enlightened, thorough and thoughtful discussion and policy debate.”

Immediately beforehand, Mason Tvert, Colorado’s best-known legalization advocate, held a news conference outside the Denver Press Club where he accused Mr. Kennedy of hypocrisy for lecturing the public on marijuana even though the Kennedy empire was built on liquor.

“Why is it that someone who is an heir to an alcohol fortune would want to keep an alternative to alcohol that’s less harmful illegal?” said Mr. Tvert, who ran the successful Amendment 64 campaign. “This is an effort to keep marijuana illegal when the public is overwhelmingly stating to recognize that it doesn’t work.”

He displayed a sign that purported to show the distinctions between “Marijuana Sold by Stores” and “Alcohol Sold by Patrick Kennedy’s Grandfather.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Mexico
KEYWORDS: amendment64; cannabis; colorado; drugs; drugwar; falseflagfreepers; fff; libertarians; marijuana; masontvert; medicalmarijuana; mexico; patrickkennedy; projectsam; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
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He displayed a sign that purported to show the distinctions between “Marijuana Sold by Stores” and “Alcohol Sold by Patrick Kennedy’s Grandfather.”

Priceless.

1 posted on 01/12/2013 5:01:35 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

Sounds like the fog is finally lifting from Kennedy’s brain. Soros must be very happy that a lot more people will be in the fog of dope....making it much easier to take us down.


2 posted on 01/12/2013 5:05:56 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: Wolfie

Retarded potheads vs boozers?

I have no side in that fight


3 posted on 01/12/2013 5:10:54 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Wolfie
Incarceration or legalization. Lock ‘em up or let ‘em use.

How about federalism or usurpation?

Oops, it's a Kennedy. He won't understand the debate.

4 posted on 01/12/2013 5:11:25 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: GeronL
I have no side in that fight

Maybe you could consider it to be a 10th Amendment issue and act accordingly? Or does the 10th only apply to your own pet causes?

5 posted on 01/12/2013 5:12:25 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: DLfromthedesert

I thought only Obama supporters smoked weed. I’d have thought you’d want them to have all they want.


6 posted on 01/12/2013 5:14:53 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Wolfie

Dumb ‘em down and dope ‘em up.


7 posted on 01/12/2013 5:17:23 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: dirtboy

I oppose legalizing drugs.


8 posted on 01/12/2013 5:19:58 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

So you are OK with the fedgov saying states cannot have medical marijuana programs? Or that states cannot legalize pot?


9 posted on 01/12/2013 5:23:33 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

I also oppose theraputic child rape

even if its state by state I oppose the legalization of narcotics

“medical” marijuana - what a friggin JOKE. Nothing but a smokescreen to call it “medical” and everyone knows it. In other words its a lie.


10 posted on 01/12/2013 5:26:32 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Nice dodge of the question.

Do you think the fedgov can override states regarding marijuana legalization?

Please answer, yes or no this time.


11 posted on 01/12/2013 5:29:35 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Wolfie

The pro-dope crowd is taking time off from fighting against tobacco to push the legalization of marijuana.


12 posted on 01/12/2013 5:31:14 PM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: dirtboy

I really don’t care

would you deny “medical” marijuana - prescribed by an employee quack of the pot shop paid by commission - to children?


13 posted on 01/12/2013 5:33:27 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Nice dodge again.

Do you see a Constitutional problem with the fedgov preventing a state from legalizing pot?


14 posted on 01/12/2013 5:35:08 PM PST by dirtboy
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I love “conservatives” on this site that “know” better than others what can be done by the individual or the States. So long as the wind is blowing in “their” direction, everything is honkie-dorie. Cross one of “their” pet peeves than watch out! The claws of government sponsored control (their perfect little ideas control) come out.


15 posted on 01/12/2013 5:46:13 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: Ken H

Not happy about raising up more head in the cloud low information voters


16 posted on 01/12/2013 5:51:50 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: DLfromthedesert

Are you willing to support the 10th Amendment and leave intrastate mj decisions to the states?


17 posted on 01/12/2013 5:54:47 PM PST by Ken H
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To: DLfromthedesert

That’s how I see it, too. More drooling, glazed-eyed dopeheads... more compliant, low-information enablers for statist interests and control.


18 posted on 01/12/2013 5:57:54 PM PST by greene66
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To: GeronL
Chickens***, you can't even come back to answer a simple question. So I'll ask it again - do you think the fedgov should have the power to overturn a state legalizing pot?

Or are you one of those so-called limited-government conservatives who don't want government limited from what they want to be done?

19 posted on 01/12/2013 5:59:31 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: greene66; Ken H

Yeah, like these yahoos pushing dope at children care about the 10th, 1st, 2nd, or any part of the Constitution.


20 posted on 01/12/2013 6:02:27 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: GeronL
Retarded potheads Retarded, huh? Do you know anyone who smokes pot? You probably do but don't know it. I've met some rather bright, hard working, productive users over the years. Sure, they didn't smoke all day long in their mom's basement like the stereotype. But they are by no means "retarded" and they state the live in should have the right to regulate it like alcohol or prescription drugs.
21 posted on 01/12/2013 6:04:39 PM PST by neefer (Because you can't starve us out and you can't make us run.)
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To: DLfromthedesert
Yeah, like these yahoos pushing dope at children care about the 10th, 1st, 2nd, or any part of the Constitution.

Could you translate that into normal debate?

Normally I expect liberals to bring children into the debate.

Or are you yet another person who believes the 10th Amendment should be shaped to fit your views?

22 posted on 01/12/2013 6:04:56 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Wolfie

I think he’s trying to get in on the ground floor by pretending to be anti-. Then he will be converted. With his connections, he could own the place.


23 posted on 01/12/2013 6:05:45 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: GeronL

Me too.

For once a Kennedy is right, and if anyone knows about drugs and addiction it is a Kennedy.


24 posted on 01/12/2013 6:07:23 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

So who has the proper Constitutional authority to ban pot. The feds? Or the states?


25 posted on 01/12/2013 6:08:43 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: DLfromthedesert

So do you support leaving intrastate mj decisions to the states per the 10th Amendment, YES or NO?


26 posted on 01/12/2013 6:09:13 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Venturer

they be experts on that


27 posted on 01/12/2013 6:09:44 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: neefer

I know many of them. I have seen their descent, I have seen those who once were intelligent become Beavis and Butthead.


28 posted on 01/12/2013 6:12:10 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: dirtboy

No.

I also do not think the federal government has to go along with it.


29 posted on 01/12/2013 6:12:57 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

If you say so.


30 posted on 01/12/2013 6:15:57 PM PST by neefer (Because you can't starve us out and you can't make us run.)
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To: Proud2BeRight

That’s what I say. Society works better when some people sit it out.


31 posted on 01/12/2013 6:19:58 PM PST by Morris70
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To: Ken H

There are limits to every right where a line must not be crossed. I drw that line at creating a nation of Cheech and Chongs.


32 posted on 01/12/2013 6:21:45 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: GeronL
I also do not think the federal government has to go along with it.

So you are basically saying the fedgov has the enumerated power to ban pot, over the will of states.

Please show where in the Constitution they have that power.

33 posted on 01/12/2013 6:25:35 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: DLfromthedesert
There are limits to every right where a line must not be crossed. I drw that line at creating a nation of Cheech and Chongs.

A novel approach. Please provide a Constitutional argument for such.

34 posted on 01/12/2013 6:26:49 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Wolfie
Far out man, I am high.

I can drive my car.

To go for more dope.

Whack out the country so they will be drugged. :) No gun even fired.

35 posted on 01/12/2013 6:28:24 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: dirtboy

No, I am saying that the federal government doesn’t have to go along with it. If there is reason for the feds to arrest, say an illegal alien, and he is a pot dealer - then that guy is in violation of federal law.


36 posted on 01/12/2013 6:29:15 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL
No, I am saying that the federal government doesn’t have to go along with it. If there is reason for the feds to arrest, say an illegal alien, and he is a pot dealer - then that guy is in violation of federal law.

You are too wampy to admit you are giving the fedgov powers not enumerated to them.

I see I am dealing with yet another so-called conservative who wants the fedgov to have powers not enumerated to them, as long as the usurped powers pleases them.

Ta-ta, point made.

37 posted on 01/12/2013 6:33:00 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: GeronL
If there is reason for the feds to arrest, say an illegal alien, and he is a pot dealer - then that guy is in violation of federal law.

OK, an American citizen is growing pot in their own basement for their own use. No commerce, let alone interstate commerce, involved.

Please show where in the Constitution the feds have the enumerated power to say that person cannot do such, especially when their state such as Colorado under the 10th has said they are legally OK - under state law - to do such.

And please, answer the question without falling back on unrelated topics such as illegal immigration.

38 posted on 01/12/2013 6:37:04 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

The feds can’t do anything if the person didn’t do anything to get ensnared in the federal web.

but morally it might as well be

an American citizen is growing children for their own use..


39 posted on 01/12/2013 6:44:36 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: dirtboy

if the person didn’t get caught in a federal case, then its not going to happen right?


40 posted on 01/12/2013 6:45:43 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: DLfromthedesert
So your answer to the question - 'Do you support leaving intrastate mj decisions to the states per the 10th Amendment?' - is 'NO', right?

Don't be shy, say it loud and proud!

41 posted on 01/12/2013 6:47:14 PM PST by Ken H
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To: dirtboy
Maybe you could consider it to be a 10th Amendment issue and act accordingly?

I agree with you, if any issue should be decided by the 10th, it this one..

42 posted on 01/12/2013 6:47:52 PM PST by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: GeronL
Uh, yes, it is a federal case under current law.

Please answer the question. Yes or No. Do you agree with federal law about pot cultivation for personal use being illegal? Your dodges are getting tiresome.

43 posted on 01/12/2013 6:49:12 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: Wolfie

Mr. Kennedy is a dork. How long can he make a living off of famous ancestors?


44 posted on 01/12/2013 6:50:11 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: GeronL
an American citizen is growing children for their own use..

You are such a flaming liberal.

Liberals raise kids as justification for unconstitutional actions.

Just like you have done repeatedly on this thread.

45 posted on 01/12/2013 6:51:52 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: popdonnelly
And the irony is twofold on this thread.

First of all, a Kennedy talks about any kind of federal prohibition when his ancestor profited immensely from past prohibitions.

And then so-called conservatives chime in about fedgov pot prohibitions when there is no authority for such under the Constitution.

46 posted on 01/12/2013 6:56:30 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

The federal government can have laws too, can’t they?

I thought you were talking about state laws bieng overridden by federal law.

I do not think fed law overrides state law. I do not think agents and agencies of the federal government (should) obey state laws either.


47 posted on 01/12/2013 6:57:24 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: dirtboy

I am not a libertarian who wants to abolish the age of consent and legalize pedophilia and incest.

That does not make me a liberal.


48 posted on 01/12/2013 6:58:20 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: dirtboy

I sure don’t know and it seems pretty obvious that the authorities are not real sure either, as States vote to allow it and the Feds say no.


49 posted on 01/12/2013 7:00:13 PM PST by Venturer
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To: GeronL
The federal government can have laws too, can’t they?

Well, that is the debate here.

And once again, you are too dishonest to debate this. I have asked simple questions. And you have evaded them like the cheerleader for federal usurpation you are.

50 posted on 01/12/2013 7:01:22 PM PST by dirtboy
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