Skip to comments.Hannity foresees states leaving union if fed government continues ‘radicalized, abusive’ pattern
Posted on 01/12/2013 8:19:29 PM PST by NoLibZone
On his Friday radio show, conservative talker and Fox News host Sean Hannity warned that the United States may fall apart if tax rates remain high.
The states are now fighting and battling against their own federal government, Hannity said. Same thing with individuals. If you live in a state like New York, New Jersey, California [or] one of these high-tax states [where] 60-plus cents of every dollar goes to taxes, youll say, What the hell am I doing this for?
A lot of people have told me that, Hannity continued. A lot of people are moving. I noticed that Bobby Jindal moved to remove his state income tax. Hes not stupid. You know whats going to happen in Louisiana? The same thing that is happening in Texas and Florida their populations are soaring. Theyre doing a lot better. State governments are fine. Theyre surviving. They dont have the property taxes they do in New York, which is obscene. In New York, you just pay and pay and pay and pay.
States with lower taxes may soon decide they want to stop shouldering the burden of states with higher taxes, Hannity warned.
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First state(s) to leave the Union will immediately become the wealthiest nation(s) in North America and the world.
The real threat of states leaving is the only thing that would peacefully scare the fat leftist and centrist in Washington into correcting their poor behavior.
It really should terrify them that producing states will pull out and leave them stuck in their leftist utopias trying to make it on their own.
I say let those states crumble. Most are liberal/marxists freedom hating havens anyway.
Just don’t bring that bullshit to Texas. We’re keepin our guns and we’re keepin our freedom!
F U B O!
Might be worth considering:
“Giordano Bruno identified a trend that has been developing informally for many years: A conscious retrenchment into safe haven states. I strongly recommend this amalgamation, and that it be formalized. I suggest calling it The American Redoubt. I further recommend Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, eastern Oregon, and eastern Washington for the réduit. Some might call it a conglomeration, but I like to call it an amalgamation, since that evokes silver. And it will be a Biblically-sound and Constitutionally-sound silver local currency that will give it unity.
On April 15, 2011, the first movie in the planned Atlas Shrugged trilogy was released. I predicted that this film would both re-energize the Tea Party movement in the U.S. and also spark serious discussion of establishing a real-life Galt’s Gulch. (Or Gulches, plural.) I anticipate that this nascent movement, and the gulch itself will be a lot bigger than most other pundits anticipate. It could very well be a multi-state amalgamation like The American Redoubt, that I’ve advocated.
Why Not Some Adjoining States?
I’m sure that I’ll get e-mail from folks, suggesting expanding the Redoubt concept to include Utah, the Dakotas, and Colorado. Let me preemptively state the following: Utah is a conservative state, but its desert climate makes it unsuitable to feed its current population, much less one swelled by in-migration. North and South Dakota have some promise, but I have my doubts about how defendable they would be if ever came down to fight. Plains and steppes are tanker country. It is no coincidence that the armies of the world usually choose plains for their maneuver areas, for large scale war games. Some might argue that I shouldn’t have included eastern Oregon and eastern Washington. The population densities are suitably low, and the populace is overwhelmingly conservative, but the folks there are still at mercy of the more populous regions west of the Cascades, that dictate their state politics. But who is to say that their eastern counties won’t someday separate to form new states, like West Virginia? This same factor is even more pronounced in rural Colorado. Just a few large cities call the political shots, and they have been assimilated by ex-Californians. For this reason I reluctantly took Colorado off the list.”
Between day after day of Obama’s evil statist crusade, fully supported by his corrupt media handmaidens, and the bald-facedly ineffective “opposition” of the GOP, which alternates between cowering and capitulating on every issue, all I can say is...
short of a maybe a total “going Galt” movement or a viable third-party rising up, secession is looking like one of the only options left. Looking at what a socialist, morally degenerate sewer America has become, I feel I’m already starting to regard myself less of an “American” and more of a “Texan.”
The more I think about it, toss his buddy coulter three or four as well, she could use the protein.
He merely did that because he saw the sign, as the song goes.
He puts his finger in the wind like many other commentators.
Hannity must have read THE PRINCE. He sits on the fence until he determines which way the crowd is going then he jumps in front and yells “Follow me!” And he yells it as loud as he can to make sure he hears himself.
Unless they put up high security walls, it won’t matter. Libs will infiltrate, and eventually the ruin will happen.
Just ask states like Idaho, Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico.
The states won’t build walls now to keep illegals out. What makes anyone think they will, should they secede? What about Aunt Harriet and Uncle Fred and cousins and siblings and grandparents who reside in the ‘blue’ states? Do they get to visit?
It is just bluster. It won’t happen — primarily because the FED needs the tax money and won’t let states that are prosperous to secede.
The problem is with the politicians. Those seceding states will have new politicians and will eventually either rejoin the union or join with the other states under a new union — and things will eventually become similar to what it is now.
Hannity is in New York.
NY isn't leaving the states over higher taxes, they love taxes. The easily elected O twice.
Jeeze Hannity is dumb!
States leaving the Union won’t be so obvious. It will start with States that won’t enforce some Federal laws and slowly progress further. Only if and when the Supreme Court continues to ignore the Constitution will any major escalation happen. It again depends upon the Supreme Court finally getting its act together and upholding the plainly written Constitution (which is much in doubt these days)...
If a free society is to exist, the liberalism/ fascism/ marxism whatever ism it goes by has to be snuffed out as soon as it reveals itself if not sooner.
Furthermore, representative politics cannot exist, because it draws those who wish to usurp.
I am not actually certain that a free society can exist, because as soon as it is created the termites move in and begin to gnaw.
Man is simply not content unless he controls all other men, and even then it’s not enough.
States don’t have to petition the feds to secede. They can do it themselves.
What state(s) have the milita to face the FED (as in US Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force) when the FED says any secession is illegal?
The Confederate States tried it and lost.
Remember, if a state declares itself a free entity, the provisions of The Posse Comitatus Act would not apply to them, as the military forces lined up just outside their borders.
In other words, don’t count on him to reload his musket; he’ll leave it at your feet while he’s beating his in a hasty retreat.
Your Linky is stinky:
Msg for Sean...
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”
Big difference between 1861 and now. Then the only industry was in the north. Now there’s no industry or no oil (comparitive) in the blue states. They are just the takers and weak ones at that.
“Remember, if a state declares itself a free entity, the provisions of The Posse Comitatus Act would not apply to them, as the military forces lined up just outside their borders.”
There was no internet, television, or twitter in the 1860s.
If there had been, perhaps the results of the conflict then might have been different.
Doesn’t matter if they win or lose — this time, when the federal government sends troops to crush a state or group of states, the “U.S.A.” will be over. If not as a nation, as an idea.
The modern US military is overwhelmingly rural, southern and/or conservative. It would be a very unreliable instrument for a central government, and very likely to defect wholesale to the secessionists.
The modern US military is overwhelmingly rural, southern and/or conservative. It would be a very unreliable instrument for a central government, and very likely to defect wholesale to the secessionists.
With the exception of Texas, the states where the succession idea has any chance at all getting anywhere are the red states that pay less in Federal taxes than they get back....so I dont think libs are terrified of this idea at all as they are probably looking at more tax revenue which they love..getting rid of those pesky red states in fly over country that cost money and moving their military bases and government installation to the blue states might actually sound like a good idea to alot of libs...
You have hit on an excellent point there. Democracy is something we love and cherish, yet eventually, all democracy falls to tyranny. Why? Because it will always be hijacked by he who promises the most stuff (after all, humans are greedy creatures). The politician doesn’t even have to actually show the stuff anymore. He just says it exists and people “hope” that it does.
We are living in a country where morality is on the decline with each passing generation. (15 year old special needs kid is gang raped in New York by other students... in a classroom, children threaten and abuse an elderly bus monitor, teens joke about gang raping a drunk girl at a party on camera)
We are living in a country where the very concept of the country itself is on the decline (Teacher stamps on flag, America is now viewed as an imperialist power, our nation was built on racism, death, abuse of homosexuals, and bigotry and we must all be punished for it!)
We are living in a country abandoning capitalism in favor of Europe’s tried and failed model of socialism, disguised now not behind the jackboots of stony faced soldiers, but the office doors of bureaucrats we’re too lazy to even ask the names of or query as to who elected them.
It was Franklin who stated, “This constitution will fail, as others have before it, and that will be due to the corruption of the people, for whom in the end only despotism will serve.” He was right. He knew that many men are always drawn towards power, and many more still will be content with the benefits they reap by not challenging such men. Humanity’s natural state is under totalitarianism. This is why throughout history, democracy is actually a rare occurrence. In the modern world, all we have is a collection of outright dictatorships, banana republics, and failed states. We are right now in the banana republic category, which in my opinion, is the worst of the three. At least in the other two, you know where you stand.
Sure, we vote for our president, we vote for representatives, senators, governors, etc. But our democracy is undermined in a way it never was before, mainly due to the phenomenon of mass media combined with a culture that the people of this nation allowed to rot until its newest generations were nothing but zombie-eyed, sex-crazed morons, gleefully raping disabled peers under their desks without a second thought, but, hey... they voted for Obama, so they must be good people because that’s what Comedy Central and Jon Stewart told them.
To think that this country was not brought to its knees by an invading army. It was not brought to its knees by all of the guns, tanks, planes, warships, spies and submarines of the Nazis, the Soviet Union, the Empire of Japan or any other such monolithic force... no. The United States Of America, that shining city on the hill, was destroyed by itself. Destroyed by its own people. Nikita Krushchev might not have known that the Soviet style of enforced communist rule would eventually crumble, but he knew that America would succumb to its evil through small doses of socialism, because he knew the nature of man.
Perhaps as you say, we were doomed to fail eventually because freedom and democracy allow for evil to exist, and evil corrupts the hearts of men with such ease. The constitution protected us for so long, it meant something to everyone who took the oath of office, it limited their power not because they were threatened by it, but because they had respect for it. You could say the same for the Bible. But the further and further into the past that historic day when the constitution was drawn up became, the less and less it meant. Obama was the first to think to himself “Why do I have to obey this document? It was signed by a bunch of dead guys I don’t care about who enslaved my people’s ancestors. I’m in charge now, and I was elected. F*ck the constitution. I know what’s best for America.”
“Sometimes, democracy must be bathed in blood” Perhaps this quote from General Augusto Pinochet is the most tragically truthful. Real freedom, liberty, and democracy are only ever born from blood, but it is only a brief candle waiting to be snuffed out by tyranny shortly thereafter. While democracy is fleeting, totalitarianism in all its forms, can last for decades, centuries, even longer.
I wonder, who will shed the blood for the next free America? What will its results look like? Will these new Americans know God? Most importantly, will these new Americans find a way to eternalize freedom with its counterbalance, morality? That is the ultimate question, the cure for the cancer that is the human condition, that we are all despots and slaves deep inside. That has been with us since our creation, and with the reelection of Barack Obama, who knows and embraces his personal love of despotism, most of my countrymen have accepted their place in the new post-constitutional America. Their place as slaves.
If the thirty tea party states would get themselves together and one by one nullifying anything that comes down the pike from the high 537 in DC, and kick the EPA out of the state by suing the krap out of them like Texas did we might stop some of this nonsense. If we don’t start rattling their cage and telling them NO, nothing is going to ‘change.’ How many states of that 30 have told them they are not going to implement Owebamacare. That we are going to keep our health care dollars in Texas and manage it ourselves? Then we should just refuse to collect their ‘penalty’ tax for them from our payrolls. Isn’t that how you deal with an addict?
I was rather surprised at the Petition for Secession filed by Texans...100,000 is not a whopping number seeing that we have 25 million population, but ...blam, 100,000 signatures in like 72 hours, no holds barred plus the many who feel the same way that could be convinced by their families. Even my older siblings who are 10-13 years older are now signed up on Facebook lol, gnarling about politics. And we each have from 500-700 friends that feel the same way, both in and out of state.
KEYWORDS: secede; secession; sucede
I suppose two out of three ain't bad for Freeper spelling these days.
I was just saying that same thing to my wife, yesterday. I left my beloved home state of California (which was once as conservative, or even more-so than Texas) to get my family to what I think is the last defensible ground in the country.
Fellow conservatives - if you're still in a blue state, I highly suggest you explore every possible means of escape, NOW. When the SHTF, the borders of the solid red states are going to shut like a bank vault door.
The feds don't have the cojones to militarily attack a former state of the union over a purely political matter like secession. The political will to keep any red state from separating through the use of deadly force, just simply isn't there.
And think about this. If (an estimated) fifteen thousand jihadists could tie down our entire war machine in Iraq for nearly ten years, what do you think the odds of success would be against a state of MILLIONS of patriot insurgents?
I'm sorry, but any state that decides to walk, will do so without a shot being fired.
Before or after the Federal air strikes on the governor's mansion and state legislature?
The part about paying less in tax is largely because corporations and individuals who own large businesses reside and file taxes in certain blue states. If business activities in these red states were taxed as a foreign entity on its profits in the state there would be far less of a discrepancy.
There will be no such thing. The military would mutiny first.
They will need that wealth... I'm thinking that unless the seniors will get a substitute for social security, the Vets and retired military get their retirement and health care, the folks on public assistance and medicare get theirs, and the states pay their soldiers cops and fireman the succeeding state will quickly run dry on cash...
But most red states could not possibly afford to pay the bills for their seniors, their highways, their schools, for their folks showing up at emergency rooms with no cash, and how about defense... how could they possibly have a credible military..will the Islamists care if its America or America Jr. they are attacking...
The Idea of the US is over.
We are just here to pay its debts.
Well if Texas leaves I sure hope they allow immigration from the rest of the states. I may just move back
No need physical wall. Need to remove all welfare programs to discourage the parasites from moving in. The elites on the left won’t like these states because they are full of gun-clinging, freedom-loving people. We can create an environment that is hostile to them and they will stay out. Our states can nullify all unconstitutional ‘policies’ and our sheriffs can keep the fed ‘enforcers’ out of our counties/states.
Great analogy, not just Hanity though, there are others.
I haven’t been able to listen to the moderate but kisser in years.
States can recruit volunteer doctors, nurses and medical professionals to keep public clinics going.
With blooming economy and full employment the state will have much higher revenues to run the gov;
plus with all the fed taxes eliminated, people will be much more well-off and can afford to donate more to charities and consume more to contribute to the states economy.
As for social security - states can keep on withholding soc sec taxes for a pre-determined period of time, keep them in the states’ own soc security fund to pay for the current retirees, while dismantling soc sec entirely for the younger(can pay back their contribution to fed soc sec. when states have built up a surplus.)
Possibility is unlimited. We are choked now because of all the heavy taxation, burdensome regulations, unprecedented deficits and debts. Once the states balance the budget and expand the economy, the prosperity that ensues will solve many of the problems we have now.
‘States leaving the Union wont be so obvious. It will start with States that wont enforce some Federal laws and slowly progress further.’
It has happened already - example, states refuse to observe the REAL ID act of 5 years ago and now DHS acknowledges that they couldnt enforce the federal law and quietly gives states yet another temporary deferment to some unspecified future suitable date.
After 17 years of states resisting federal laws on weed, the DOJ is now recognizing these efforts for what they are. Nullification.
Now 25 states refuse to establish healthcare exchange (obozocare)...and,
States nullify fed gun laws (Wyoming...)
State nullification, that is what it takes.
“The feds don’t have the cojones to militarily attack a former state of the union over a purely political matter like secession. The political will to keep any red state from separating through the use of deadly force, just simply isn’t there.”
I sense you could be very wrong about that
We haven’t gotten there yet. I don’t believe anyone could predict what would happen when that time arrives — as indeed it may...
“There will be no such thing. The military would mutiny first.”
Jes’ like they “mutiny’ed” at Waco ??
And we don't mean maybe!
It may take a trial separation before we can resolve the usual differences, such as our money, raising our kids and all those other things we fight about, before we come back together and renew our vows.
Otherwise, the rule is: If you love someone, let them go...
I'm not wrong about it, because I'm not stating my opinion. I'm stating a conclusion, deduced through logic and reasoning, supported by known facts.