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Gun debate lights up phone lines in congressional offices
triblive.com ^ | 12 January, 2013 | Craig Smith

Posted on 01/13/2013 4:57:55 AM PST by marktwain

Mass shootings, ammunition shortages and fear that government might snatch away gun rights have driven new voices to the gun control debate, and congressional offices are hearing from them.

Sen. Bob Casey‘s office has received more than 500 calls on the issue since mid-December, with about 60 percent in favor of reforming gun laws and 40 percent against.

Most of the 200 calls to the office of Rep. Mike Doyle, a Forest Hills Democrat, were “very heavily in favor of doing something.”

In one Arizona House district, calls were said to be running 9-to-1 against gun control measures.

Casey, D-Scranton, a longtime supporter of gun rights who got high marks from the National Rifle Association, softened his stance in the days after a gunman killed 20 first-graders and six adults Dec. 14 in Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

The senator “believes a comprehensive solution is needed, including common-sense steps like the reinstatement of a ban on military-style assault weapons and high capacity magazines,” said his spokesman, John Rizzo.

Rep. Mike Kelly, R-Butler, received a “considerable number of calls,” most of them from constituents asking him to defend their Second Amendment right to bear arms, spokeswoman Julia Thornton said.

Kelly “believes that any effort to curb the type of senseless violence we‘ve seen in recent shooting massacres should be a measured and holistic approach, not merely a singular focus on gun policies,” Thornton said.

(Excerpt) Read more at triblive.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; congress; constitution; guncontrol; secondamendment
If these numbers are accurate, we need to get busy and call congresscritters. I find it difficult to believe that even in blue districts, a congresscritter would be geting calls in favor of gun control.

I notice the anti-constitutional Doyle (F rating from the NRA) is careful to say that the majority of calls are to "do something", not for gun control. We need to step up the pressure. The are feeling enormous pressure from the MSM, and we need to counter it.

1 posted on 01/13/2013 4:58:06 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Let's subjugate them to OUR end game, DUST!
"COMPROMISE" is a DIRTY word!
People who study the Bible know that COMPROMISE almost always leads to destruction.


It's time to mock the "Gun Control" Zombies!
"Gun Control" is a firm grip, steady breathing, accurate aim (developed by lots of practice), and a slow trigger pull.


The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
We need to learn from the Swiss and implement their "gun control measures" here in the United States right now, today!
These laws are the ones we should shove into the "2nd Amendment Haters" faces.

The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
Let's adopt THEIR LAWS !

Remember: Read Second Amendment: It’s Not About Hunting, IT'S ABOUT TYRANNY .
2 posted on 01/13/2013 5:01:21 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: marktwain
No comments on the article at the site. It would be a great bit of activism for some freepers to comment there. Perhaps asking about why the left feel such a desire to disarm their political opposition. You could note that it is not about saving children, as more children are killed in swimming pools than with detachable magazines.

Swimming pools are not constitutionally protected.

3 posted on 01/13/2013 5:03:48 AM PST by marktwain
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Democrat politicians are always going to lie about the support they’ve received on any measure that involves them trying to steal our freedom.


4 posted on 01/13/2013 5:03:58 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: marktwain

Why believe anything anyone in this gub mint tells us anymore about ANY subject?


5 posted on 01/13/2013 5:05:18 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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No doubt that the supposed calls are along party lines. demodummies For More Gun Control.
repubs against more gun control.

IMO, Pretty much a no brainer there.


6 posted on 01/13/2013 5:12:55 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: marktwain

Why do I not believe those numbers?


7 posted on 01/13/2013 5:16:00 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: marktwain

I noticed that the Az House office was unnamed (which may be a good thing to prevent their being targeted by the left) I’m sure the democrats will all claim that they receive asymmetrical support in favor of restrictions & bans.

After 0bamacare, I expect little but CYA (”we got calls supporting...”). But I agree that the effort should be made- early & then, refreshed when the voting is about to happen.
Boehner should make it a*priority* that no bill can ever again be gutted & replaced the way the bill re military mortgages was done for 0bamacare. *That* is corrupt. I don’t care about “precedent” or who does it. (Yes, I know- fat chance.) It should have happened immediately after.


8 posted on 01/13/2013 5:27:30 AM PST by KGeorge (hoplophobia: n. irrational, morbid fear of guns. A mental disorder coined by Col. Jeff Cooper)
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Agree. Aren't there 100,000+ Freepers? Whatever the number, if every one of us just sent a short email to our Congressional delegation after each rant, it would do wonders.
9 posted on 01/13/2013 5:34:20 AM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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Here is Senator Casey's stance on gun control that he wrote to me, and my response to him:

Thank you for taking the time to contact me about the tragic shooting in Newtown, Connecticut. I appreciate hearing from you about this issue.

As you know, on December 14, 2012, an individual in Newtown, Connecticut forced his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School and opened fire on teachers and staff in the building.

In total, the perpetrator murdered 20 students between the ages of six and seven years old, as well as six adults, many of whom heroically sought to stop the shooter and save the lives of children.

Like many Americans, I was deeply affected by the scope and brutality of this act. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families.

The motives that led to this senseless massacre will likely never fully be comprehended. However, I believe that all public officials have a responsibility to work to prevent such an event from occurring again.

This incident reflects a complex problem that requires a comprehensive strategy, including funding for law enforcement officers and the mental health care system. Too many individuals with mental illness are not receiving the services they need and tragically, sometimes a small number of these individuals turn violent.

I have supported access to affordable and accessible mental health services for all Americans and I will continue to review proposed solutions to improve our mental health system.

As you may know, I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment. Pennsylvania has a fine hunting and sporting tradition, and I will defend the right to bear arms as it is enshrined in our Constitution.

However, I also believe that the attack at Sandy Hook Elementary School highlights very serious dangers posed to public safety by the misuse of certain weapons and technology originally developed for warfare.

According to reports, the shooter was able to kill many children and adults very quickly because he possessed a military-style semiautomatic weapon. He also allegedly used magazines containing up to 30 rounds of ammunition and carried hundreds of rounds more.

After much reflection and careful study of the issue, I have decided to support a federal assault weapons ban as well as legislation restricting high capacity clips.

In light of what occurred at Sandy Hook, these are two measures that will lessen the chances that this will happen again soon.

Our Nation has already begun a critical dialogue as we examine what steps must be taken to prevent this type of tragedy in the future. On December 19, 2012, President Obama announced the formation of an inter-agency task initiative, led by Vice President Biden, to study these issues and recommend possible actions.

I look forward to reviewing these proposals, as well to working with my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to address this complex issue.

Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts with me. Please do not hesitate to contact me in the future about this or any other matter of importance to you.” Here is my response to him:

Senator Casey, in your response to me regarding possible gun control legislation, you said: "As you may know, I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment. Pennsylvania has a fine hunting and sporting tradition, and I will defend the right to bear arms as it is enshrined in our Constitution. "

Senator, You need to understand that the Second Amendment is not about 'hunting and sporting', it is about a free people having the means to remain free from oppression of any tyrannical government, including our own. You sir, are no supporter of the Second Amendment.

You also said:

"After much reflection and careful study of the issue, I have decided to support a federal assault weapons ban as well as legislation restricting high capacity clips. In light of what occurred at Sandy Hook, these are two measures that will lessen the chances that this will happen again soon."

Senator, look at the calendar. The Sandy Hook incident happened on December 14, 2012, less than a month ago. That is hardly enough time to allow "much reflection and careful study of the issue".

Senator, I can't think of another issue that has a greater probability of removing you from office in the next election cycle than this one, and I am deeply disappointed at your predictably misguided, lock-step position on this issue that ignores the will of your constituents. Senator Casey is now on record that he supports a ban on semi-automatic weapons.

10 posted on 01/13/2013 5:36:25 AM PST by patriotsblood
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These numbers are BS, and these lying clowns have their minds made up.

Sorry but, no amount of phones calls will budge them.

I can't despise rat politicians any more than I already do.

11 posted on 01/13/2013 5:41:07 AM PST by Post5203 (I bought 6 marines a beer at a bar recently and not one said thanks. I won't do that again.)
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No comments on the article at the site. It would be a great bit of activism for some freepers to comment there.

I have a Facebook account for doing just that at the local news site here in Denver (thedenverchannel.com).
I write commentary about firearms on EVERY story they publish.
And, as expected, the hoplophobes get all pissy about what I say.
I'm quite the rebel/activist on this.

OH! Have you seen the latest hickok45 YouTube video about the January 19th rally?
It's pretty good.

Hickok45:
"You had a hot date that day? Guess where your date is going to be. IT'S GONNA BE AT THE STATE CAPITAL! Okay?"

Hickok45: 2nd Amendment March
12 posted on 01/13/2013 5:51:20 AM PST by RandallFlagg
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Take their word for it? Riiiiiiight!
It’s the congresscritter’s way of doing what he/she wants and claiming popular support from his/her constituents.


13 posted on 01/13/2013 5:59:41 AM PST by Vinnie (A)
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To: patriotsblood
Too many individuals with mental illness are not receiving the services they need and tragically, sometimes a small number of these individuals turn violent.

And who put these mental patients on the streets??
The ACLU, Democrats.

Here in Raleigh there is/was a huge mental facility, Dorthea Dix Hospital.
The State closed it down, leased the land to the City of Raleigh.
The city plans to raze the buildings and make a park.

In the meantime the patients have been moved to other facilities or turned out.
The 'do gooders' cry about the homeless on the streets, esp. in the winter.
The facility could be used to house hundreds of homeless.
Liberal non-think.!!

14 posted on 01/13/2013 6:11:05 AM PST by Vinnie (A)
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To: marktwain

(comparing with other situations as to possible outcomes for gun laws if the gun controllers win.)

1) After years of wrangling and bad decisions about pornography laws, the SCOTUS finally decided that attitudes about pornography are not the same in New York as they are in Peoria. Therefore they punted and said that “local standards” should determine whether pornography is pornographic enough to be illegal. And despite efforts to revitalize stricter pornography laws at the federal level, such as the Meese Commission, the SCOTUS standard has for the most part survived.

2) The “made from whole cloth” abortion decision by the SCOTUS in Roe v. Wade, initially completely nationalized abortion, but over time, a concerted effort has been made at the state level to “federalize”, in the true sense, abortion law, that abortion law is a state, not national, prerogative. And as such they have substantially eroded the number and locations where abortions can be carried out over time.

However, those who are pro-abortion still use every opportunity to try and “re-nationalize” it, and and to use taxpayer money to pay for their eugenics program.

3) The outcome of the Civil Rights movement was not just to nationalize civil rights for equal enforcement for blacks, but that federal judges have made themselves the enforcers of those laws, far beyond their legitimate authority, using extraordinary means to do so.

This includes the forced transfer of children to far away schools to create unnatural integration; requiring that states may not change any part of their elections laws without Just Us Department approval; creating “special masters” to force state legislatures to appropriate money they do not wish to appropriate; and the list goes on and on.

4) Finally, the truly evil “War on Drugs”, and all its myriad vices: the “arrest” of property (property has no civil rights); RICO forfeiture laws; violent paramilitary drug busts; mass incarceration for drug users; and mandatory psychological conditioning by anti-drug counselors. etc., ad nauseum.

Each of these are possibilities if the gun control movement is able to achieve its goals, muster public opinion, and sway enough political leaders to either support it, or not stand in the way of those that support it. That is:

The SCOTUS could back down and permit some regulation at the state level. Or if one of the conservative justices on the SCOTUS died, so it became a “liberal court”, the SCOTUS could fully nationalize gun ownership, with registration, expensive annual licenses, and national government permission for anything to do with guns.

Congress could allow federal judges to create their own rules to control guns, which could get very weird. And this overlaps into a “War on Guns” scenario, with massive, but slow and methodical gun confiscation and arrest of “criminal gun owners”, for the crime of owning a gun.


15 posted on 01/13/2013 6:25:59 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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So 60% of the phone calls to Rep. Mike Doyle on the issue were people wanting the government violate their civil rights?

I know there are herds of mindless zombies blindly following the MSM... but I doubt 60% of his calls were from people demanding that they loose freedom.

16 posted on 01/13/2013 6:33:01 AM PST by GregoTX (Federalist)
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Kelly “believes that any effort to curb the type of senseless violence we‘ve seen in recent shooting massacres should be a measured and holistic approach, not merely a singular focus on gun policies,” Thornton said.

“not merely a singular focus on gun policies,”

That’s RINO talk. My take is Kelly is for some form of
regulation but want’s a “measured and holistic approach” as
well.


17 posted on 01/13/2013 6:57:27 AM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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