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Think government mass murder for 'gun control' can't happen here? It already has
St. Louis Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 11 January, 2013 | Kurt Hofmann

Posted on 01/13/2013 5:10:47 AM PST by marktwain

The hope here is to direct readers' attention to an important piece published today by Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. The article is especially recommended to those who believe that the notion of the U.S. committing mass murder in pursuit of "gun control" is a paranoid, right-wing fantasy. If so, it's a "fantasy" that has already happened.

The massacre of Wounded Knee was the direct result of the U.S. Army's 7th Cavalry enforcing the government's forcible disarmament edicts against the Sioux Indian Nation.

December 29, 2012 marked the 122nd Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms "for their own safety and protection". The slaughter began AFTER the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. When the final round had flown, of the 297 dead or dying, two thirds (200) were women and children.

The Army was so eager to kill for the "gun control" agenda that they clumsily killed dozens of their own troops, and so proud of this massacre was the U.S. government that at least 20 of the troops were awarded the Medal of "Honor."

Of course, for those who would argue that butchery committed nearly one and a quarter centuries ago, however evil, bears little relation to what might happen now, a reminder that the federal government's slaughter of scores of men, women and children just under 20 years ago was also motivated by "gun control" is probably in order (not to mention, the fact that our current Attorney General was a central character in determining that the government had done nothing

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; massmurder; secondamendment; woundedknee
An argument that can be turned on the left, when they say that we must trust the state. "Why should we trust the state when we see how they treated the Indian tribes?"
1 posted on 01/13/2013 5:10:55 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

ruby ridge ring a bell

2 posted on 01/13/2013 5:24:28 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: t1b8zs

Ruby Ridge rings a bell, but I think the reference was for Waco.

3 posted on 01/13/2013 5:27:57 AM PST by Big Mack (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat VEGETABLES!)
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To: marktwain
Let's subjugate them to OUR end game, DUST!
People who study the Bible know that COMPROMISE almost always leads to destruction.

It's time to mock the "Gun Control" Zombies!
"Gun Control" is a firm grip, steady breathing, accurate aim (developed by lots of practice), and a slow trigger pull.

The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
We need to learn from the Swiss and implement their "gun control measures" here in the United States right now, today!
These laws are the ones we should shove into the "2nd Amendment Haters" faces.

The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
Let's adopt THEIR LAWS !

Remember: Read Second Amendment: It’s Not About Hunting, IT'S ABOUT TYRANNY .
4 posted on 01/13/2013 5:35:32 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: marktwain
You have too broad a sweep there chief ~ the Sioux posed a particular problem but the Kickapoo, for example, sought only to live separate and apart from whites, blacks, east Asians, south Asians, Mexicans, Salvadorans, puerto ricans, Zulu, Watusi, etc.

Jefferson hissef' was a big buddy of John Met-oxen ~ the big dog among the Kickapoo ~ and paved the way toward Kickapoo xenophobia and seperation by proposing that Indiana territory (MIchigan and Indiana), and then just Wisconsin be set aside for Indians ~ some of which was actually done in what is now Michigan.

On their way West to Wisconsin the Kickapoo and their allies among the Iroquois adopted tribes (Brothertons, Munsee Band of the Oneida and some others) stopped and camped along the East Fork of the White River in what is now Brown County Indiana.

The "Ox" Indians, an earlier tax collecting branch of the 5 Nations, lived there ~ they stayed, the others moved on.

This was in the days before the roads so all of these people were on horseback.

As the US began moving into the Louisiana Territory minds changed about where the Indians should go ~ and finally Oklahoma was selected as a suitable target.

In those days Oklahoma was hardly an empty wilderness. There were a good half dozen Spanish towns already in existence. Several of the more aggressive tribes (among the Cherokee groups) eventually moved into them ~ and I"d suppose kept any buildings still standing.

The very aggressive Comanche finally moved down to Oklahoma on a permanent basis. They'd earlier formed up in Western Montana in the Rockies ~ and for obscure reasons wore Western clothing, rode horses with European saddles, and sported finely made black top hats. Otherwise they looked pretty much like the Sioux but they acted like Spaniards! They were among the first people in the West to take to wearing holsters with pistols FULL TIME.

So, how did the US government mistreat the Comanche?

5 posted on 01/13/2013 5:36:50 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: marktwain

There are hundreds of Mexican victims as a result of “Fast and Furious” (Obama’s first attempt at “under the radar” gun control); however, the MSM thinks one or two U.S. border agents deaths aren’t worth reporting.

6 posted on 01/13/2013 5:36:53 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: marktwain


7 posted on 01/13/2013 5:39:59 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: marktwain

“Of course, for those who would argue that butchery committed nearly one and a quarter centuries ago, however evil, bears little relation to what might happen now,”

I beg to differ. Blacks are still bigotive over slavery.
And whites are still held responsible for it, to this day.

8 posted on 01/13/2013 5:39:59 AM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: marktwain

US government poisoned its own citizens during prohibition.

‘In a dark but little-known chapter of U.S. history, the federal government ordered the poisoning of alcohol supplies to deter and punish those who sought to flout Prohibition-era bans.

Starting in 1906, the United States began requiring manufacturers of industrial ethanol to put the chemical through a process to distinguish it from the identical substance found in alcoholic beverages. After the manufacture, sale and transportation of alcohol was banned by the 18th Amendment and the government cracked down on smuggling operations, bootleggers turned to chemistry to keep their customers supplied. A simple process was used to extract toxic chemicals from the industrial alcohol used in paints, solvents, fuels and medicine, and this relatively clean alcohol was then used to make beverages. By the mid-1920s, an estimated 60 million gallons of industrial alcohol were being stolen per year.

In response, the administration of President Calvin Coolidge ordered industry to add higher levels of more difficult-to-remove poisons to their alcohol, including acetone, benzene, cadmium, camphor, carbolic acid, chloroform, ether, formaldehyde, gasoline, iodine, kerosene, methyl alcohol, mercury salts, nicotine, quinine and zinc. Shortly after the institution of this campaign, 31 people were poisoned to death over the course of the Christmas holiday in New York City alone. Historians estimate that a total of 10,000 people were killed by the program before Prohibition ended in 1933.”

9 posted on 01/13/2013 6:12:30 AM PST by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: marktwain

Also keep in mind that more children were killed by the ATF at Waco then at Sandyhook.

Waco was ALL about gun control.

10 posted on 01/13/2013 6:42:36 AM PST by Carbonsteel
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To: marktwain

I happen to own one of those weapons confiscated at Pine Ridge, a pistol my grandfather picked up from the pile of burned weapons. It hangs in a shadow box in my office.

11 posted on 01/13/2013 6:59:47 AM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: muawiyah

You are of course correct that to speak of the treatment of Indian tribes as though it was universal and equal is much to broad of a brush stroke.

Perhaps I should have limited it to the single example of Democrat President Jackson ignoring the Supreme Court in his eviction of the Cherokee and the trail of tears.

I appreciate any help I can get with this argument. The idea is to take the Left’s own propaganda, and political correctness, and use it against them to persuade the undecided. It should not be that hard, we have facts and reason on our side.

12 posted on 01/13/2013 7:04:05 AM PST by marktwain
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To: muawiyah; marktwain

13 posted on 01/13/2013 8:13:51 AM PST by Travis McGee (
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To: t1b8zs

I have no doubt that the left wing progressives in this country are more than capable of unspeakable abuses agains’t the masses. The only thing keeping them in line is the 2nd ammendment. Once we lose the guns we are done.

14 posted on 01/13/2013 9:01:07 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: marktwain

Wounded Knee is a very poor analogy for gun control.

It started with a vision by Wavoka, a Piute in Nevada and spread to many of the Indian tribes.

The tribes were to do a “Ghost dance” and making “Medicine shirts” that a bullet was not supposed to pass through. It promised the disappearance of the white man, return of the buffalo and return of dead ancestors.

It so frightened local settlers that they demanded Army protection. There are other sources that says the Medicine man there gave a signal for the Indians to begin shooting the soldiers. They quickly found out that the Ghost Shirts did not stop bullets.

Frederick Remington did several paintings of it.

15 posted on 01/13/2013 9:03:59 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: marktwain
The Ludlow massacre may be a good example, as stiking union members were fired upon by the Colorado National Guard and coporate goons.
16 posted on 01/13/2013 9:52:26 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: Yosemitest
The Swiss do have a lot correct regarding military training. I'm afraid to be around guns used by people who didn't grow up with proper training and supervised practice. Just the simple rule of always keeping the muzzle pointed in a safe direction has proven to be a life saver. It's not that easy to learn where someone obeys the rule 100% of the time (search YouTube for "ATF agent shoots himself in foot in classroom" for a perfect example - one of my favorites).

My friend's 30.06 had a defective firing pin and discharged as soon as he racked it when we were loading up for deer hunting (I know he didn't have his finger on the trigger). It was pointed at the ground away from everyone - scared the hell out of us and whatever deer were around, but everyone was fine (except ringing in the ears and seeing spots from the flash before sunup).

17 posted on 01/13/2013 10:00:08 AM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: Big Mack

yup what you said

18 posted on 01/13/2013 10:25:41 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: uncommonsense
Sometimes some people REFUSE to learn any other way, except the HARD way.
But don't punish those who are NOT guilty for the IRRESPONSIBLE actions of others.
Punish the guilty and no one else.
19 posted on 01/14/2013 3:10:51 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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