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San Francisco's Dangerous Policy on Unlicensed Drivers
Townhall.com ^ | January 13, 2013 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 01/13/2013 5:52:37 AM PST by Kaslin

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials detained Roberto Galo on Wednesday morning. Galo is a legal immigrant but an unlicensed driver who, on Nov. 16, 2010, took a left turn at Harrison and 16th streets in San Francisco. His car struck law student Drew Rosenberg. Witnesses later testified that Galo then backed over Rosenberg, who died.

The law student's father, Don Rosenberg of Westlake Village, Calif., has been waging a crusade ever since. He's angry at San Francisco's policy, announced by then-Mayor Gavin Newsom in 2009, that shielded unlicensed drivers from an automatic 30-day impoundment of their vehicles. He's furious that Galo was able to retrieve his Chevy the day after police stopped him for driving the wrong way on a street and without a license. That's the car Galo drove into Drew Rosenberg. He's enraged at the judge who reduced a felony manslaughter charge against Galo to a misdemeanor. He can't believe that Galo served only 43 days for the crime.

"My wife and I really didn't care if he was sentenced to a day," Rosenberg told me in November. "Our focus became: Convict him of the two misdemeanors, and deport him. That's a worse punishment than whether he spends a couple of months in jail." Rosenberg has spent months contacting politicians to push the system to act. On Wednesday, ICE did.

"We took him into custody. We're holding him without bond. We have basically filed the paperwork to initiate removal proceedings," ICE spokeswoman Virginia Kice told me. "ICE doesn't have the authority to unilaterally deport someone."

Me? I get no joy in learning of Galo's fate. His children will suffer, and they didn't do anything to deserve it.

Galo, however, did screw up. He endangered the general public. As a legal immigrant with temporary protective status, he was eligible to apply for a driver's license. He didn't get one. While he was trying to retain legal residency, he flouted California law by driving without a license. He got caught, and he did it again. Someone died.

Unlicensed driving is not a victimless crime. A recent Department of Motor Vehicles study found that unlicensed drivers are nearly three times as likely as licensed drivers to cause fatal crashes. They're likelier to flee the scene of a crash -- which makes them more dangerous.

"This nonsense has to stop," Rosenberg told me. He is appalled that San Francisco City Hall has gone out of its way to tell illegal immigrants, who cannot apply for a California license, and also all unlicensed drivers that they can get behind the wheel and get cited by police and not lose their car.

Consider the message that Newsom and then-police Chief (now the district attorney) George Gascon sent when they announced in 2009 that they were behind a policy to allow unlicensed drivers pulled over by police -- presumably for a reason -- to call friends, who could drive away their cars to avoid an impound.

San Francisco banned Happy Meals with toys, for health reasons. Newsom pushed a measure that prohibited pharmacies from selling cigarettes, for health reasons. Yet Newsom bestowed his blessing on unlicensed driving, ignoring the clear risk.

When Gascon charged a bicyclist with felony vehicular manslaughter for speeding through an intersection and killing Sutchi Hui, 71, a press release announced: "This incident could have been avoided and we can do better as a city to avoid these tragic consequences. In order to preserve our diverse transit community, everyone has to follow the rules of the road."

Gascon also intoned: "This tragic death caused by a bicyclist illustrates the worst-case scenario when traffic laws are not obeyed."

Gascon's office charged Galo with felony manslaughter. Good. But that happened after he announced the free pass for unlicensed drivers with licensed friends. I called his office to see whether he now advocates an end to the impound-lite policy. No answer. Ditto from Mayor Ed Lee's operation.

Jessica Vaughan of the pro-enforcement Center for Immigration Studies believes that ICE acted in part because the Rosenbergs pushed to see Galo face consequences for recklessly taking their son's life. How many fatal crashes have there been, Vaughan wonders, that garnered no press coverage, no outrage and no serious consequences?


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: California
KEYWORDS: dhs; driverslicense; illegalimmigrants; safetyandsecurity

1 posted on 01/13/2013 5:52:48 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
Everyone here sees what the problem is ~ San Francisco has become a runaway criminal state where murderers walk and the innocent are punished.

The traditional ways of dealing with such places are to first bring out the notables, secondly dispose of them in front of the others, and then, finally, impose martial law.

From that point on the rule of law is re-established and capable governors are found among the broad masses ~ preferably somewhere else.

Sometimes the people are simply hauled away and dispersed among others not well disposed to put up with their cr*p ~ far away!

Someone might suggest that since this is America we won't do it that way ~ and my response would be, 'then what do you propose'? We can't give in to the San Fran crowd ~ and are there no Arctic Regions with the proper climate to counsel their judgment?

2 posted on 01/13/2013 6:14:29 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Kaslin

Ha, ha, ha. Mr. Rosenberg only finally sees something because it impacts him. There has been much wrong in California for a long time, and especially in San Francisco, but I suspect Mr. Rosenberg has been on the wrong side of every issue every time.


3 posted on 01/13/2013 6:30:13 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: Empire_of_Liberty

Ha, ha, ha. Mr. Rosenberg only finally sees something because it impacts him. There has been much wrong in California for a long time, and especially in San Francisco, but I suspect Mr. Rosenberg has been on the wrong side of every issue every time.


That’s really not fair or called for. You don’t know that or him. Just because his name is Rosenberg, don’t just assume he’s a liberal. The man lost his son—have the basic decency not to laugh at him.


4 posted on 01/13/2013 7:13:29 AM PST by rbg81
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To: rbg81; Empire_of_Liberty

He lives in San Francisco...... that’s all that’s needed to draw scorn. A dead son is not relevant to the larger issue


5 posted on 01/13/2013 7:20:05 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: bert; Empire_of_Liberty

I guess you didn’t read the article, Rosenberg lives in Westlake Village, CA—not in SF. Or are we indicting all people who live in CA now?

I agree with the premise of the article, just not Empire’s classless remark. Or yours. A dead child is something you never recover from.


6 posted on 01/13/2013 8:01:14 AM PST by rbg81
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To: Kaslin

Yup that’s San Francisco. Illegal aliens are protected even after they recklessly kill someone. A U.S. citizen who ran over someone on his bike is facing felony charges.


7 posted on 01/13/2013 8:18:14 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: bert
He lives in San Francisco...... that’s all that’s needed to draw scorn.

That's a bit, shall we say, judgemental.

8 posted on 01/13/2013 8:51:03 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rbg81

What is the premise of the article? It seems to simply relate the events and Mr. Rosenberg’s newfound ire at a situation only recently made known to him.

I think some derision might be healthy in this case. The article is short on details, but seems clear enough that Mr. Rosenberg is only aware of even one aspect of significant problems in California because of the death of his son, and his “solution” is to focus like a laser with all of his ire on only the aspect that most immediately caused his son’s death.

The article even goes out of its way to mention how the children of the man who killed his son are a new-found burden for Mr. Rosenberg to deal with.

I am not impressed.


9 posted on 01/13/2013 8:54:44 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: Empire_of_Liberty

The premise of the article is that Mayor Newsome is a hypocrite for being a Nazi on some safety issues while turning a blind eye toward others.

And what would your reaction be if your son (child) were killed in this manner? Whatever Mr. Rosenberg’s past history, he is fighting the good fight now.


10 posted on 01/13/2013 9:35:21 AM PST by rbg81
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To: Kaslin

ILLEGAL immigrants are killing people on our highways and streets evey day. The regime and its enablers cannot give them enough handouts - drivers licenses (without insurance), food stamps, health care, “disability”, college tuition, etc.

The same regime and its enablers is criminalizing LEGAL citizens for assrting their God-given rights. The police cheif of Chicago is going to kill law-abiding citizens, leaving the ILLEGALS free. Threats of all kinds are being made against LEGAL activities; while ILLEGALS get all the money and awards.

I reached my tipping point long ago. What’s yours?


11 posted on 01/13/2013 9:40:17 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: rbg81

Well, mayor Newsome is a complete and total Liberal, and so are his policies. I might even “defend” him, here, to say that he is not hypocrtical in these policy positions as much as he is simply bat-cr@p crazy Liberal. The “health” concerns of McDonald’s Happy Meals aren’t worthy of discussion.

Why are you trying to personalize this? I would grieve at my own child’s loss, too, of course. I would hope it would make me rethink my life, and its meaning.

Mr. Rosenberg isn’t “fighting the good fight”, here. It sounds like he’s lashing out in a very narrow way at the one person who caused his son’s death. His response from the article doesn’t make me think he would be fighting on my side of any of the issues that got California into its present condition and policies like this one in place.

I am thinking that you are simply saying that “Ha, ha, ha.” is not appropriate, and that that part of my initial post has set you off. Fine. Hopefully, we actually agree on the issues. Perhaps I could have found a better way, in text, to express my incredulity that a person could have to receive such a horrific and personal blow to even begin to question why the world is in the state that it is in, and then to learn so little from it.


12 posted on 01/13/2013 10:42:30 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: AuntB; Tennessee Nana; Grampa Dave; thouworm; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs; GOPJ; ...
POLITICAL THEATER OF THE ABSURD Obama wants extensive background checks and registration for gun ownership - but anybody who wants to, can walk in and vote---legal or not. (And forget extensive background checks for presidential candidates, too.) Obama and his crew can't find 10 million illegal aliens hiding in plain sight, yet they plan to round up 300+ million firearms.

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At least we got a front-row seat to watch this Grade B show. Yet, one Judge got it right.

llegal Immigrant Loses Fight to Bear Arms
Courthouse News Service | December 19, 2012 | IULIA FILIP / Posted by moonshinner_09

(CN) - The Second Amendment right to bear arms does not extend to people who are in the United States illegally, the 4th Circuit ruled. While searching Orangeburg, S.C., home of Mexican national Nicolas Carpio-Leon, immigration agents found a .22 caliber Marlin rifle, a 9 mm Hi-Point pistol and ammunition.

Carpio-Leon, who had lived in Orangeburg for 13 years and had three American-born children, claimed that he kept the firearms for the protection of his home and his children.

He admitted he was in the United States illegally, and had used a false Social Security number to get a driver's license. (Excerpt) Read more at courthousenews.com ...

FULL JUDICIAL DECISION: “On Carpio-Leon’s Second Amendment challenge, we conclude that the scope of the Second Amendment does not extend to provide protection to illegal aliens, because illegal aliens are not law-abiding members of the political community and aliens who have entered the United States unlawfully have no more rights under the Second Amendment than do aliens outside of the United States seeking admittance,” Judge Paul Niemeyer wrote for the panel Friday.”

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Pay attention to one phrase....“....the scope of the Second Amendment does not extend to provide protection to illegal aliens, because illegal aliens are not law-abiding members”

13 posted on 01/13/2013 12:59:34 PM PST by Liz
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To: All
Looks like vote-crazed political dumbos are marching in lockstep with Mexico. Mexico is pushing north at a furious pace---throwing its"pressure groups" over the border---salivating for reconquista---to takeover the SW--- financing and coaching their fifth column invasion of US borders.

The wailing and whining invaders' propaganda-----"just here for a better life, to do jobs Americanos won't do"---really "gets" bleeding heart sap-happy liberals.....and vote-crazed US politicians.

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The latino criminal underworld on US soil has more criminal enterprises than you can shake a stick at.

<><>ICE's "documents and benefits fraud taskforce" found a common practice among "impoverished" illegals is to buy several faked identities for several thousand dollars each----the illegal then votes and rides the US gravy train under several names.

<><> Jose Madrigal---the Washington staterapist---had some 30 identities. And probably voted and collected US benefits under every single identity.

<><>June 26, 2010 An illegal using multiple identities was sentenced to prison and ordered to pay back $3 million in fraudulently obtained unemploymet compensation. Manuel Mejia Ordonez, got eight years for conspiracy to commit mail fraud........and identity theft.

<><> Hilderberto Salinas sold state drivers' licenses issued out of the state’s Motor Vehicle Agency in NJ to illegals with multiple identities who did not have the necessary id's....among 40 people who participated in the widespread ring. "Impoverished" illegals paid $2,500 to $7,000 apiece for the licenses---which allows them to vote.

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Vote-crazed pols are using US gvt authority and tax dollars to foment hatred againt America and Americans.

AN EXAMINATION OF LA RAZA STUDIES---SCHOOL CURRICULUM: These shocking quotes are taken directly from A LA Raza textbook "Occupied America" (pg. 167): “Supporters would execute all white males over age 16,” (also known as the Plan of San Diego). LA Raza school textbook chapter from “Occupied America,” by Rodolfo Acuña, includes a speech given by university professor Jose Angel Gutierrez: “We have got to eliminate the gringo, and if worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him,” (pg. 323).

La Raza books also talk about the need for the govt of Mexico to re-take seven states in SW United States. so that the Southwest USA would become a Chicano nation. And judging by Ramos' activities---La Raza is establishing a beachhead in NJ.

YOU ARE PAYING FOR THIS In 2005 alone, $7.9 million in taxpayer funding was given to "La Raza charter schools" via the US Dept of Education grants. These charter schools stress Latino culture, the Spanish language, the re-conquest of the American Southwest, the establishment of the mythical Atzlan on US soil, and even Aztec math.

In addition to using taxpayer funds to enforce the teaching of murdering Americans and latino violence, the federally-funded La Raza organization operates 100 charter schools across America.

14 posted on 01/13/2013 1:05:20 PM PST by Liz
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To: NTHockey; Kaslin

Unlicensed drivers = OK
Unlicensed/unchecked gun purchases = Bad


15 posted on 01/13/2013 2:34:17 PM PST by 4Liberty (Some on our "Roads & Bridges" head to the beach. Others head to their offices, farms, libraries....)
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To: Empire_of_Liberty

Disgusting statement.


16 posted on 01/13/2013 5:02:23 PM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: doug from upland

Knee-jerk reaction. Confused article and a confused person. You’re confused, too.


17 posted on 01/14/2013 7:40:22 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: doug from upland

Knee-jerk reaction. Confused article and a confused person. You’re confused, too.


18 posted on 01/14/2013 7:40:22 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: doug from upland

Knee-jerk reaction. Confused article and a confused person. You’re confused, too.


19 posted on 01/14/2013 7:40:22 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: doug from upland

Knee-jerk reaction. Confused article and a confused person. You’re confused, too.


20 posted on 01/14/2013 7:40:31 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: doug from upland

Knee-jerk reaction. Confused article and a confused person. You’re confused, too.


21 posted on 01/14/2013 7:40:31 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: Empire_of_Liberty

Wow, five responses. Saying ha ha ha about someone losing his son makes you a jerk. Unless, of course, it was the sons of Saddam Hussein.


22 posted on 01/14/2013 10:49:47 AM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: doug from upland

Well, that’s what I get trying to post from an iPad.

Please read my other posts on this thread, if you can get your blood pressure down and drop the name calling.

As I have said, some derision of Mr. Rosenberg’s clueless response may be healthy. Perhaps “Ha, ha ha.” as opposed to “Unbelievable!” is not such a great way to express it. Hopefully you can get past that.

To me, the most striking point of the original article was Mr. Rosenberg’s response to his loss. His anger is directed only into dealing with the one person most directly responsible for his son’s death. The policies that enabled it are merely not as “safety” oriented as legislating against Happy Meals. Liberal policies are the cause of his loss. He had no idea before, I expect, and he still can’t see it, now.


23 posted on 01/14/2013 11:41:14 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: Empire_of_Liberty
I have no blood pressure problem. Here is your original post:

Ha, ha, ha. Mr. Rosenberg only finally sees something because it impacts him. There has been much wrong in California for a long time, and especially in San Francisco, but I suspect Mr. Rosenberg has been on the wrong side of every issue every time.

Rosenberg is in Westlake Village so perhaps does not follow a lot of politics in San Francisco. You suspect but have absolutely no idea on which side of the issue he has been. Yet, you give a ha ha ha to the death of his son. That is despicable and, no thank you, I don't care to read more of your posts until you apologize on this thread. You know you were wrong but not man enough to admit it. Yours was the knee-jerk reaction (which is why I used the term "jerk").

24 posted on 01/14/2013 1:07:48 PM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: doug from upland

I explained my post, “Ha, ha” and all. I asked you to see past it, to the point. It appears you can’t.

“Knee-jerk” and “jerk” are not the same, so yes, I think you are upset and irrational.

I gave my reasoning. You ignore it, and add nothing else. So fine, stop posting to me.


25 posted on 01/14/2013 1:32:29 PM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: rbg81

Apparently Empire_of_Liberty is not prepared to offer an apology about mocking someone’s dead son. I thought we had more character here. It is the left that does things like that.


26 posted on 01/14/2013 2:38:51 PM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: NTHockey

Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars. We’ve done that and we still have a lot of DUIs.

How many die from drunk drivers VS guns ?


27 posted on 01/17/2013 12:24:59 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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