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Piers Morgan exposes Dana Loesch’s lack of gun knowledge by making up models, calibers, deleting
twitchy.com ^ | 12 January, 2013 | Staff

Posted on 01/13/2013 6:00:55 AM PST by marktwain

Dana Loesch’s calling out of CNN’s “real journalist” Piers Morgan over his error in categorizing the caliber of the Bushmaster rifle used in the Sandy Hook massacre might seem petty, aside from two reasons. First, Morgan believes he’s fully qualified to determine what weapons American citizens should and should not be allowed to own. Second, he himself wastes no opportunity to call out his detractors on their spelling errors, like so:

(Excerpt) Read more at twitchy.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; danaloesch; guncontrol; newtown; piersmorgan; secondamendment; thedailymail; tweets; twitbrit; unitedkingdom
Worth the read. Using "journalists" ignorance about firearms and the actual laws is a good way to discredit them.
1 posted on 01/13/2013 6:01:06 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

———the Bushmaster rifle used in the Sandy Hook-——

There was no rifle used in the event.


2 posted on 01/13/2013 6:07:55 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: marktwain
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3 posted on 01/13/2013 6:12:08 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: bert

That is what I thought to. The AR was found in the psycho’s car.... Not used in the school. We will never get the truth.


4 posted on 01/13/2013 6:14:32 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: baddog 219

The interesting fact is that the big lie has in fact prevailed. It was told loud enough and long enough and has become true.

That fact is revealed by the details of big lie being challenged rather than rejecting the whole. There is no caliber of a rifle not used to murder kiddies


5 posted on 01/13/2013 6:21:10 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: baddog 219

Never knew that about Savile - looked it up, and was horrified. What a creepy character.


6 posted on 01/13/2013 6:23:33 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: bert
There was no rifle used in the event.

Then what was used???

7 posted on 01/13/2013 6:40:09 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: marktwain
I guess Piers Morgan needed to speak to an idiot after Ben Shapiro destroyed him in a face to face interview..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJdhAm_oUUs

Shapiro tells him "Stop standing on the graves of the dead children"

8 posted on 01/13/2013 6:47:51 AM PST by Popman
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To: marktwain

Way misleading headline. Loesch exposed Morgan’s ignorance, not the other way round.


9 posted on 01/13/2013 6:48:06 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Uncle Chip; baddog 219

——what was used???-——

It is my understanding that the weapons used were two 9 mm pistols. (semi auto of course, not muzzle loaders or revolvers) I will accept the fact the calibers might actually be different.

A rifle was found in the shooter’s car, but it was not fired.


10 posted on 01/13/2013 6:48:19 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: marktwain

Is the title supposed to be sarcasm?


11 posted on 01/13/2013 6:51:50 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: baddog 219

And because the perp is dead, there will be no criminal trial in which to present evidence and the facts of the case.


12 posted on 01/13/2013 6:52:31 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude; All
Way misleading headline. Loesch exposed Morgan’s ignorance, not the other way round.

Yes. I think they were trying for satire, but failed. I cannot change headlines on freerepublic. Rules, you know.

13 posted on 01/13/2013 6:54:31 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

I take that as sarcasm when the end of the sentence reads, “...by making up models, calibers, and deleting tweets.”


14 posted on 01/13/2013 6:54:56 AM PST by CommieCutter
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To: marktwain

To CNN/Piers Morgan Tonight:

I find the behavior and demeanor of Piers Morgan despicable. Piers Morgan is a representative of CNN. As such he has seriously damaged the image and credibility of CNN (which most believe is nill already) with his crass, repugnant, rude behavior. Further, Mr. Morgan is a British subject. As such he and the “Crown” should remember the severe ASS KICKING they suffered in our last little dust up. As a serf of the Crown, Mr. Morgan should also be reminded that he HAS NO STANDING WHATSOEVER to pontificate his views of Our Constitutional rights. Piers Morgan should also be reminded that not only were his Redcoats kicked out of America by a rag tag bunch of American Patriots with nothing more than muskets his homeland also is a vanquished nation reduced to having their Harrier jets sold off on Ebay and their political decisions made for them by foreigners in Brussels, This unfortunate calamity might not have occurred if his countrymen had a smidgen of the brilliance exhibited by our founding fathers when they wrote the Second Amendment to our Constitution.
I suggest that you transfer Piers to the Havana Bureau where he will be right at home on his knees kissing the ass of another anti-gun advocate, Fidel Castro.

Have a blessed day and rest assured I will look elsewhere for what is supposed to serve as “News” or a reasoned discussion of issues today.

Captain Sid Preskitt


15 posted on 01/13/2013 6:55:28 AM PST by Captain7seas (Fire Jane Lubchenco)
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To: bert

I know that the shotgun was found in his trunk. There is security video of that being taken out of the trunk but nothing else.

And then there is this police scanner timeline:

http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/politicalcalculations/2013/01/06/eleven-minutes-and-23-miles-away-equals-26-dead-n1479757/page/full/

9:55:25 AM: Weapons report - “Be advised, we have multiple weapons. One rifle and a shotgun.”


16 posted on 01/13/2013 6:57:00 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

The pistols, and yes I know, nothing has been proven.

I find it interesting that the youth would have been able to conceal a rifle while gaining access to the school. Not impossible, but much easier to conceal a couple of semi auto pistols.


17 posted on 01/13/2013 6:57:00 AM PST by wita
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To: baddog 219
That is what I thought to. The AR was found in the psycho’s car.... Not used in the school. We will never get the truth.

I thought much the same but there was info released a couple of days ago that the long gun found in the car was a shotgun. Not the Bushmaster.

Here

And here

18 posted on 01/13/2013 7:05:00 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Humans have eliminated natural selection. Morons are now a protected species. They breed and vote.)
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To: wita
I find it interesting that the youth would have been able to conceal a rifle while gaining access to the school.

Why conceal it??? He parked his car within 10 feet of the door and was in the school in a matter of seconds. He could have had a howitzer in full view and no one could have stopped him in that short of period of time.

19 posted on 01/13/2013 7:07:07 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: baddog 219; bert; Uncle Chip

According to the ME’s presser...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsgZnLTaeKA

...he used “long gun” AR-15 to do all the killings. They found another long gun in the trunk. Look at the shells being racked-out; looks like 12ga.

This article says he had the AR-15 and 2 handguns w/ him, and a shotgun was found in the car:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/16/at-least-26-dead-in-shooting-at-connecticut-school/

and

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/medical-examiner-sandy-hook-victims-died-multiple-gunshot-211722237.html

Then, this about 4 handguns etc (watch thru to end):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju_NllT1iDo

Here’s the vid of the long gun (12ga) in the mother’s car’s trunk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrxSgkqJQc

Still vids of 1-2 other “shooters” avail on YT; that story disappeared wo/ explanation.

Worst/most confusing reporting I’ve seen/read since first 3-4hrs of 9-11-01.

I still don’t know what *actually* happened...


20 posted on 01/13/2013 7:19:10 AM PST by carriage_hill (AR-15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-defense is the First Human Right.)
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To: carriage_hill
Then, this about 4 handguns etc (watch thru to end): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju_NllT1iDo

I think you can pretty well assume here that when NBC said 4 handguns, he meant 4 guns [not just handguns]. Either that or he misunderstood what was told him.

And the video maker here thinks that his watchers are stupid and don't know a shotgun from a rifle.

21 posted on 01/13/2013 7:36:00 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: bert; Uncle Chip; baddog 219

What about the video of the item being taken out of the car trunk?


22 posted on 01/13/2013 7:37:36 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: reg45
I'm confused.

5.56mm = 0.219in

5.66mm = 0.223in

5.92mm = 0.233in

The cartridge is designated as 5.56 mm or .223".

I'm still confused.

23 posted on 01/13/2013 7:42:06 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: WildHighlander57; bert; baddog 219
What about the video of the item being taken out of the car trunk?

It's the video of a shotgun not a rifle. The rifle was found in the school.

24 posted on 01/13/2013 7:52:08 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: marktwain

Not long ago, Bill O’Reilly talked about an “AK-15”—whatever that is.


25 posted on 01/13/2013 7:55:17 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Fiji Hill
Not long ago, Bill O’Reilly talked about an “AK-15”—whatever that is.

He thought it was a young AK-30 -- when it was a teenager.

26 posted on 01/13/2013 7:59:56 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: bert

That’s what was reported, lanza used two pistols and later they found an AR-15 “assault” rifle in the trunk of his car.


27 posted on 01/13/2013 8:06:44 AM PST by duffee (In need of new tag line)
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To: baddog 219; bert

The AR was found in the psycho’s car.... Not used in the school.


How do we know this?


29 posted on 01/13/2013 8:13:41 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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To: Uncle Chip

Yep.


30 posted on 01/13/2013 8:29:09 AM PST by carriage_hill (AR-15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-defense is the First Human Right.)
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To: baddog 219

31 posted on 01/13/2013 8:30:27 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: WildHighlander57

“What about the video of the item being taken out of the car trunk?”

Where is the video of the other weapons being removed from the school? The angle of the video of the car indicates it was taken from above, as was that of the man being chased down in the woods, so we know there was recording being done on site.

Where is the security video of the school/inside the school? The audio of the 911 calls? The audio of the intercom being broadcast throughout the school? Would that audio be broadcast outside, too, say, toward a playground, the front sidewalk or the teachers’ parking lot?

Where is other testimony? At all? From people who came?

How could emergency vehicles get out, based on the pix we’ve seen?

Is it even possible to refurbish, rewire, and equip an unused school in 2 weeks? Who was on the construction crews? Where are the pictures, which should be a source of civic pride, given such an extraordinary pace—two weeks.

If police were 2.5 miles away, why did it take them 20 minutes to arrive after receiving the 911 call?


32 posted on 01/13/2013 8:53:13 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: combat_boots

<>The audio of the 911 calls?<>

We have that:

Newtown school shooting: Transcript of police, fire radio dispatch

http://nhregister.com/articles/2012/12/14/news/doc50cc0897adc1a203744261.txt?viewmode=fullstory


33 posted on 01/13/2013 9:08:00 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: combat_boots
If police were 2.5 miles away, why did it take them 20 minutes to arrive after receiving the 911 call?

It didn't take 20 minutes.

According to police dispatch [#33], the first units were there within 3 to 5 minutes of the first call.

34 posted on 01/13/2013 9:14:52 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: marktwain

This has been an absolute bonanza for Piers Morgan. Hardly anybody knew who he was before. After taking over for Larry King, the ratings tanked. He’s managed to get his name back out there now. I’m sure he’ll get a nice bump in ratings.


35 posted on 01/13/2013 9:34:24 AM PST by TheGipperWasRight
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To: marktwain

The whole problem is those concealable 105mm semi-autonomous reciprocating derringer pistols. Nobody uses them to hunt deer, just movie-goers. The evil things should be banned (the pistols, not the movie-goers).


36 posted on 01/13/2013 9:42:29 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: bert; Uncle Chip
I saw Lt. Paul Vance claim that the rifle was used and that the only round fired from a pistol was the one used to kill himself.

Thats the big problem with these false flag operations, getting everyone to remember the script the first time around...

37 posted on 01/13/2013 9:51:10 AM PST by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: bert; Uncle Chip
Corrected:

I saw Lt. Paul Vance claim that the rifle was used and that the only round fired from a pistol was the one Adam Lanza used to kill himself. Thats the big problem with these false flag operations, getting everyone to remember the script the first time around...

38 posted on 01/13/2013 9:53:04 AM PST by gnarledmaw (Obama: Evincing a Design since 2009)
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To: Beelzebubba

I saw a report describing the weapons used and advising the rifle was in the shooters car, found after the killings took place inside with two pistols


39 posted on 01/13/2013 10:21:23 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: bert
I saw a report describing the weapons used and advising the rifle was in the shooters car

Was that a police report or a media report. Can you find that report???

40 posted on 01/13/2013 11:05:52 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Re presence on the scene: If law enforcement arrived in 3-5 minutes, what did LEO do? Did LEO not enter the school at that time? If not, why not? Anyone killed after that 5 minute mark (maybe 6) could have been spared.

We are told that once the person saw police, he killed himself. If police dispatch #33 documents LEO arrival, why the comment that when seeing police, he killed himself? http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12/16/gunman-adam-lanza-killed-himself-as-police-closed-in-shot-all-victims-multiple-times/

Re audio: A transcript is not audio.

People were killed. There are questions that I would want answered, were I a relative.


41 posted on 01/13/2013 1:14:38 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: combat_boots
If law enforcement arrived in 3-5 minutes, what did LEO do

The chase up into the woods took place 3 minutes after the dispatch was made [9:36] and within seconds of arrival at the school [9:39--9:40].

At the same time [9:40] the LEOs were swarming the front entrance. It's right there in the dispatch. There is news video of this with the 9:40 timestamp.

He shot himself 6 minutes later at 9:46.

Re audio: A transcript is not audio.

There is audio at the link if you prefer that. Transcripts backed by audio with timestamps noted are better.

42 posted on 01/13/2013 2:32:03 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: reg45
Yes, it's confusing and the reason it's confusing is because it ain't a mathematical conversion, as one might think.

Others around here will know certain terms better than me, but this here is the deal.

American cartridge and caliber designations are seldom a function of the EXACT bullet diameter. Perfect example is as you point out, the .223 Remington. This cartidge uses a bullet that's 5.56mm in diameter. However, when Remington began marketing this cartridge commercially it was called the .223 Remington instead of the 5.56 Nato for the American market.

Other examples: .38 Special uses a bullet that's .356 to .358 in diameter, or .357 - hence the cartidge designation .357 magnum when the .38 special was lengthened and "up-loaded" to magnum velocities.

.30-06 does not mean ".3006 of an inch in bullet diameter. It means "Thirty caliber cartidge of 1906, or .30-06 for short. (Bullet diameter is .308, not to be confused with the .308 Winchester, although it uses the same .308 bullet diamter.)

Uh, let's see here... oh yeah. .44 special and .44 magnum are acutally about .43 in diameter, or so I've heard.

.30-30 means ".30 caliber, originally loaded with 30 grains of black powder".

In a nutshell, American standard cartidge designations have as much to do with marketing from the original manufacturer as with any exacting technical specification. European, or metric designations tend to be more exacting, i.e. "5.56 x 45mm", which correctly describes the bullet diameter and cartridge length.

43 posted on 01/13/2013 2:46:56 PM PST by OKSooner ("The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen." - Revelation 22:21)
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Interesting interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptbd6qRY358

When this mother arrived at the school the six kids from Soto’s class were running away from the school, there was another mother there, the doors of Lanza’s car were open as if it had been searched, the glass next to the door into the school was broken where it had been shot out, and it was eerily quiet until shots rang out and kids started leaving the building.


44 posted on 01/13/2013 8:50:42 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

No, I can not find the TV report


45 posted on 01/14/2013 4:21:54 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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