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NRA says gun lobby has the support in Congress to block assault weapons ban
wapo ^ | Updated: Sunday, January 13, 10:26 AM

Posted on 01/13/2013 11:03:00 AM PST by Red Steel

WASHINGTON (AP) — The powerful gun lobby is gauging enough support in Congress to block a law that would ban assault weapons, despite promises from the White House and senior lawmakers to make such a measure a reality.

Senators plan to introduce a bill that would ban assault weapons and limit the size of ammunition magazines, like the one used in the December shooting massacre that killed 27 people, most of them children, in Newtown, Conn. Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California has promised to push for a renewal of expired legislation.

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You don’t want to bet your house on the outcome. But I would say that the likelihood is that they are not going to be able to get an assault weapons ban through this Congress,” NRA president David Keene told CNN’s “State of the Union.”

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., responded with a flat out “no” when asked on CBS’ ”Face the Nation” whether Congress would pass a ban on assault weapons.

Democratic West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, a lifelong member of the NRA has said everything should be on the table to prevent another tragedy like Newtown. But he assured gun owners he would fight for gun rights at the same time. “I would tell all of my friends in NRA, I will work extremely hard and I will guarantee you there will not be an encroachment on your Second Amendment rights,” Manchin said on ABC’s “This Week.”

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TOPICS: Front Page News
KEYWORDS: 113th; awb; banglist; bhobanglist; guncontrol; nra; secondamendment; youwillnotdisarmus

1 posted on 01/13/2013 11:03:04 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Block hell.

They need to stop playing defense and push for greater freedom.


2 posted on 01/13/2013 11:07:37 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Red Steel

Congress is a DEAD END for the gun-grabbers. They simply don’t have nearly the Dem numbers that they had in 1994, and at least of the Dems are right now quivering in their boots, fearing to even have to vote on it.

The surest evidence of that was the Executive Order garbage coming out of Biden last week. That convinced me that their hopes in Congress had died.

But ALWAYS stay vigilant!!! You never know for sure while the issue is still be discussed.


3 posted on 01/13/2013 11:08:12 AM PST by BobL
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To: Red Steel

I hope this is correct, but I wouldn’t put much faith in either McLame or Manchin.


4 posted on 01/13/2013 11:09:23 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Red Steel

Don’t take anything for granted, KEEP UP THE PRESSURE!


5 posted on 01/13/2013 11:10:55 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: BobL

Could be, but you never know with these spineless RINO’s. Bonehead will probably get on all 4’s just to appease his new master, Odumbo.


6 posted on 01/13/2013 11:14:24 AM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Red Steel

The ONLY reason that the Dems (including Obama) have achieved as much power as they have is because they, intentionally, conceded the gun issue (without saying so, of course). They know they will GET CLOBBERED (figure of speech) if they have to follow Obama and Biden on this.

It was obvious that this was the strategy when, during 2009/2010, when they owned everything, they punted on gun control. In fact, the only significant gun legislation from them, back then, was the National Parks bill, which was an excellent piece of legislation.

There are likely 10,000,000 (at least) Democrat voters today that will jump to the Republican side if they see their gun rights going away - the Dems know this, and will NEVER support gun control in Congress. They can get away with big words, but once they get into the registration (or defacto registration), of confiscation, they will no longer be a major political party.


7 posted on 01/13/2013 11:14:32 AM PST by BobL
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To: Red Steel

And Romney had the election in the bag after Benghazi. Keep up the pressure or the GOP will cave.


8 posted on 01/13/2013 11:15:39 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Red Steel

Ever notice how the NRA is always referred to as a “powerful lobby” by the left? Why do they never refer to the teachers’ unions or the trial lawyers’ lobbies as being powerful?


9 posted on 01/13/2013 11:16:21 AM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: max americana

“Could be, but you never know with these spineless RINO’s. Bonehead will probably get on all 4’s just to appease his new master, Odumbo.”

I certainly wouldn’t put it past Bonehead - but there are boatloads of Dems that also have to be won over. And only a handful of RINOs can get away with supporting gun control, and not have a serious Primary challenge.


10 posted on 01/13/2013 11:16:41 AM PST by BobL
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To: Red Steel

This is probably why they are now talking about immigration. They’ll probably try to sneak something through as a rider.


11 posted on 01/13/2013 11:17:32 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: cripplecreek

They have been, especially in state legislatures.

But methinks Newtown is a setback for national reciprocity for years.


12 posted on 01/13/2013 11:22:27 AM PST by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Red Steel
Why does the right continue to allow the left to define the term "assault weapon" as if the left has full control of the debate.

None of my weapons would be used for assault, but might need to be used against a foe with good equipment. I prefer that I still, and forevermore, be allowed to match any opponent as I define it, not as the left defines it. I call it a "balanced approach", and "pro choice" as to the methods needed to defend myself.

13 posted on 01/13/2013 11:23:18 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: Red Steel
Well, if Congress is not going to pass a control bill, how does the President (and media) walk this item back without political loss?

Seems to me Mr 0bama has spent a lot of political capital on this cause, already.

14 posted on 01/13/2013 11:23:52 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: BobL

The Dems have lost the entire ex ‘solid south’ that they used to have due to their love of gun control and ridiculous environmental pressure from the people who have never set a foot off concrete in their life. The gun-grabbing may sell well in NYC, Chicago, and Boston, but elsewhere, it is death to reelection.


15 posted on 01/13/2013 11:23:52 AM PST by nobamanomore
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To: Red Steel

The Republicans will hold strong. What I fear is Obama’s issue of an Executive Order.


16 posted on 01/13/2013 11:26:19 AM PST by Sarabaracuda (Glenn Beck is right. Victory through peaceful resistance. The meek shall inherit the Earth.)
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To: Red Steel
VERIFY BEFORE TRUST!

17 posted on 01/13/2013 11:36:47 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Dan Nunn

It’s a setback for The 2nd Amendment, and everything associated with it, for the next 8-10 yrs.


18 posted on 01/13/2013 11:37:46 AM PST by carriage_hill (AR-15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-defense is the First Human Right.)
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To: Red Steel

Maybe they do but what about registration.


19 posted on 01/13/2013 11:39:04 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: Sarabaracuda

Executive Order needs to be re-examined because of the abuses by 0.
If an assault weapon ban is passed this year a firearm ban will be passed within the next 5 years, probably sooner


20 posted on 01/13/2013 11:39:52 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: cripplecreek

A good start would be to impeach every elected official that attempts to grab gun.

There are few people I actually can say I hate. Communists, anarchists, and gun grabbers top the list.


21 posted on 01/13/2013 11:40:23 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Red Steel

Pass another restrictive gun law and then reach for the white courtesy phone at the entrance to Fort Sumter you morons.


22 posted on 01/13/2013 11:41:49 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Sarabaracuda

Yeah, an Executive Order is the only real threat (IMO), but the fact the O is willing to do anything he pleases leaves that as a plenty scary option.


23 posted on 01/13/2013 11:42:10 AM PST by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: SERKIT

I don’t believe you can get people to not use the word assault rifle.

But you may be able to change the functional definition.

Sort of like the word axe. An axe could be and has been used to chop people into pieces but you think of chopping wood for winter or a fireman’s axe when the word is used.

If we used the word assault rifle but tied it at the same time to some emergency stopping job the rifle may be more universally accepted.

The assault rifle could be used to stop gang sexual assaults, or stop violent anarchy based assaults on business, or stop assaults on homes, businesses, or people by rioters/looters in times of emergencies. Or assaults on the constitution by tyrannical politicians.(my personal fav)

That way whenever the left mentions assault rifles the public visualizes stopping some horrendous thing about to happen to them.


24 posted on 01/13/2013 11:42:25 AM PST by Hang'emAll (Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: jsanders2001

nEvER underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers. Don’t let up or it will end up just like the election (though I think it was rigged after seeing that one of 0’ s associatez owns a company that builds electronic voting machines)


25 posted on 01/13/2013 11:47:18 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Red Steel
And on Tuesday Vice President Joe Biden is expected to give Obama a comprehensive package of recommendations for curbing gun violence.

One suspects uber deceit here, and one further suspects that Mister Biden received the essential framework of said "comprehensive package" from Mister Obama (and his "advisers") many weeks ago.

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26 posted on 01/13/2013 11:48:17 AM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Red Steel

The Dem’s tried to rush this issue to see if they could capitalize on the anguish of the moment. They wanted to push for more reduction of freedom than they have ever pushed for before. Each passing minute reduced the Dem’s power and they knew it—they are likely to get much less than they had dreamed. But, if they wait till 2014, the situation in Congress could shift to their advantage.

However, they have already achieved a lot. They quickly put the NRA in the spotlight acting as if the crime had some sort of relationship to the entirely innocent NRA, and making attacks on the NRA that couldn’t have been worse if the killer was an NRA member following NRA recommendations. They shifted attention away from the causes and prevention of the evil crime to an intense attack on their political opponents, especially the powerful NRA and the large portion of American society that owns guns. They motivated local and state politicians to tout and pursue radical anti-freedom legislation and policies.

Americans are being offered nothing but a diminution of freedom in this current effort. It takes a lot of chicanery to pull that wool over American eyes.

The elections of 2014 will be important to American’s remaining and waning freedoms. Unfortunately, opposition to Dem candidates has been severely weakened in recent weeks. Organized political action must take place now and must be forceful if even greater disaster is to be avoided in 2014.
These Dem’s are a great danger to freedom and hope for future Americans. Their threat must be realized and must not be underestimated.


27 posted on 01/13/2013 11:50:12 AM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: Seaplaner

They both got it from Soros.


28 posted on 01/13/2013 12:01:18 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SERKIT

“Pro Choice on Firearms” would make a good bumper sticker.

Along with - “If you don’t support assault weapons - don’t buy one”

We should throw the trite rhetoric of the Left back in their faces.


29 posted on 01/13/2013 12:17:33 PM PST by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: Red Steel

McLame says flat out “no”, why am I not reassured.


30 posted on 01/13/2013 12:18:33 PM PST by SAMWolf (Looking for my generations Lexington and Concord.)
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To: Red Steel

McLame says flat out “no”, why am I not reassured?


31 posted on 01/13/2013 12:18:42 PM PST by SAMWolf (Looking for my generations Lexington and Concord.)
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To: Red Steel

Don’t depend on the NRA alone.
Email your Congressman and Senators.


32 posted on 01/13/2013 12:20:10 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: BobL
"There are likely 10,000,000 (at least) Democrat voters today that will jump to the Republican side if they see their gun rights going away"

If you want a good example, visit the DUmmies & check out their threads when its 20 DUmmies average ganging up on one or two pro-gun-rights libtards.
Funny how libtards call pro 2nd amendment members in their midst 'single-issue voters' (lol!) and the only arguement they can make is 'quit regurgitating NRA talking points'
All the while unable to counter any of the point mentioned...
33 posted on 01/13/2013 12:27:48 PM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: BobL

“The surest evidence of that was the Executive Order garbage coming out of Biden last week. That convinced me that their hopes in Congress had died.”

That was my thought on this, too. Initially, we heard an awful lot about Feinstein’s bill that she would be presenting “first thing” in the new session. When that didn’t happen and they began to focus more media attention on Biden’s fact finding mission, I knew they realized at some point that the legislative route to making changes was not realistic.


34 posted on 01/13/2013 1:05:07 PM PST by MNGal
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To: Red Steel

DITTO. Made two strategic gambles on guns. Figured Romney will win, but he lost, gun prices went up and after Newtown semi are all sold out. Now hoping gun law will not pass and get relief on shortage and prices. I think Obama will use EO to limit mag size and mandatory background check for all gun sales. But all gunowners should not let this incident pass and use it to throw all Dems out of the Senate in 2014. When Dems take a hit at the election, it forces them to rethink gun control as an issue like 1994. It is time again to teach them a lesson again! WV are you listening??!!!! GOP do not counter act the effects of gunowner anger (which inludes blue collar Dems) with pro globalist, free trade, more foreign wars, Wall Street are angels BS. Main Street will deal with those unAmerican BS another time, in the short run we want to deal with the Dems on gun control.


35 posted on 01/13/2013 1:35:29 PM PST by Fee
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To: cripplecreek; Dan Nunn; mickie
The above statement of Sen. Joe Munchkin (D. W.Va) is typical D.C. shinola illustrating beautifully the art of being on both sides of the yellow brick road at the same time.

This mental midget is always good for comic relief.

Leni

36 posted on 01/13/2013 2:15:01 PM PST by MinuteGal (Send a penny NOW to CNN, 1 Time-Warner Center, NY,NY 10019 for "PENNIES FOR LEAVING!" (Piers Morgan))
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To: Red Steel

Look at the prices and bids on bolt carrier groups for AR-15s at ebay, then you’ll know more about what’s going on (most “buy it now” prices around $500 and most bidding going there, too).

Looks like quite a few political folks really stocked up on those to make money. Some of the same people are probably shouting at discussion boards that one or two politicians are going to pass gun control as dictators, despite what Congress will really do.

It’s all very interesting to watch, especially from the point of view of one who buys low and sells high. It’s against my religion to scalp anyone by participating in fads and scares, though (no parts for sale here).


37 posted on 01/13/2013 2:49:23 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Red Steel

I’ll believe it when I don’t see it.


38 posted on 01/13/2013 3:35:20 PM PST by servo1969
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To: Red Steel

Praise GOD... Praise his Son JESUS. Millions of us are praying each evening at 8PM Central Time and we are praying for the salvation of our Republic and the protection of Freedom, Liberty and the lives of our people. With HIS help... we will defeat this evil that engulfs us all.

LLS


39 posted on 01/13/2013 5:56:40 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: jsanders2001

If an assault weapon ban is passed this year a firearm ban will be passed within the next 5 years, probably sooner

oh my guess would be before November 2016...


40 posted on 01/13/2013 6:15:17 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Red Steel

Meanwhile, the NRA is working with the the WH to sell gun owners down the river in the interest of “common sense” gun control.


41 posted on 01/13/2013 7:33:15 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Red Steel

Yep

And they can stop Obamacare.
And Welfare Reform.
And the DREAM act.
And Ellena Kagan.

The game is rigged - but I’m sure we’ll win the next hand. :)


42 posted on 01/13/2013 9:42:39 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Hang'emAll

Why don’t we start referring to semi-auto rifles with 30-round magazines as assault prevention weapons, or assault deterrent weapons in all of our communications?

This should be the lingo used in all discussions, public and private.


43 posted on 01/14/2013 2:34:14 AM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: SERKIT

I’ve started calling them Defense Rifles with the liberals I argue with. Once they realize what you’re doing they go from stunned to furious.

And instead of ‘gun rights’ I call it ‘right to self-defense’. And that’s true. The gun doesn’t have rights. I do. Liberals HATE it when you refuse their definitions and use better sounding ones.

Politically Correct speech can swing both ways. ;-)


44 posted on 01/14/2013 6:25:15 AM PST by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: Steel Wolf

Are you talking about the Bushmaster AR15 semi-auto center fire “Home Defender” ? :)


45 posted on 01/14/2013 7:43:37 AM PST by joegoeny
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To: cripplecreek

Constitutional Carry would be a GOOD start....


46 posted on 01/14/2013 10:40:40 AM PST by imjimbo (The constitution SHOULD be our "gun permit")
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To: cripplecreek

Constitutional Carry would be a GOOD start....


47 posted on 01/14/2013 10:40:49 AM PST by imjimbo (The constitution SHOULD be our "gun permit")
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To: Red Steel
Democratic West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, a lifelong member of the NRA has said everything should be on the table to prevent another tragedy like Newtown.

OK, Joe.

Put your money where your mouth is.

Let's have a repeal of the federal "Gun Free School Zones Act'

Let's have national recognition that the 2nd Amendment protects an individual right to carry weapons, and neither the States nor the Feds may infringe it.

Let's have a repeal of the interstate gun sales ban.

How 'bout that, Joe?

Is MORE FREEDOM 'on the table'?

48 posted on 01/14/2013 10:45:56 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Hang'emAll

“Assault Weapon” = any weapon that might be useful to have around for defense in the event that you are assaulted.


49 posted on 01/14/2013 10:47:59 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: MNGal
Initially, we heard an awful lot about Feinstein’s bill that she would be presenting “first thing” in the new session.

No way in heck was O'Dumbo was gonna let that old hag take his political capital out for a stroll. The issue was to be his and no crusty woman from California would be allowed to lead. Only Uncle-HairPlugs has the mental capacity to pull this off. AND he gets some face time in preparation for 2016!

50 posted on 01/14/2013 12:26:08 PM PST by paulcissa (The first requirement of Liberalism is to stand on your head and tell the world they're upside down)
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