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Will longer school year help or hurt US students?
My Way News ^ | January 13, 2013 | Julie Carr Smith

Posted on 01/13/2013 11:04:35 AM PST by madison10

Education Secretary Arne Duncan, a chief proponent of the longer school year, says American students have fallen behind the world academically.

"Whether educators have more time to enrich instruction or students have more time to learn how to play an instrument and write computer code, adding meaningful in-school hours is a critical investment that better prepares children to be successful in the 21st century," he said in December when five states announced they would add at least 300 hours to the academic calendar in some schools beginning this year....

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: control; education; government; learning; schools; summer; teacherunion; teaching; vacation
There is NO way I'd want my kids being indoctrinated more in the government schools then they are now.
1 posted on 01/13/2013 11:04:42 AM PST by madison10
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To: madison10

But I’d love to see union teachers have to show up in the summer.


2 posted on 01/13/2013 11:07:37 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: madison10

All the money in America spent in schools cannot fix what is wrong in the many kids’ homes — dysfunctional families, drug and alcohol abuse, instability, living on the edge of poverty, abuse by Mom’s live in boyfriend.

A lot of that comes from breaking down the kids’ foundations of married dad and mom parents raising them. :(

Or, as my Mexican-born friend said after unruly kids tore through her subdivision ... “Where are their fathers?”


3 posted on 01/13/2013 11:09:21 AM PST by Cloverfarm (This too shall pass ...)
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To: madison10

Staying in school longer does not make up for having to study worthless subjects. The US cannot compete with other countries because other countries don’t waste their time teaching gender equality, minority studies, and other worthless crap.


4 posted on 01/13/2013 11:10:59 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Soon the "invisible hand" will press the economic "reset" button.)
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To: madison10

The only reason Duncan wants a longer school year is so BIG government will have more time to brainwash and indoctrinate the kids while also providing babysitting services and taxpayer subsidized meals to them.


5 posted on 01/13/2013 11:11:32 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Impeach Obama Now.)
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To: madison10

They’re not learning anything useful now, so spending more time doing nothing useful will have no beneficial effect.


6 posted on 01/13/2013 11:11:41 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: madison10
If they were to actually learn something of importance, then yes.
Simply spending more time at a school bench learning the same curriculum in slo-mo won't make any difference.

7 posted on 01/13/2013 11:12:44 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: madison10

It doesn’t matter,no matter if it is 90 days, 180 days or 210 days, “garbage in is garbage out.” (GIGO)


8 posted on 01/13/2013 11:13:59 AM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Cowboy Bob

Winner winner, chicken dinner.


9 posted on 01/13/2013 11:17:29 AM PST by goldi
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To: madison10

I’m taking a break from writing lesson plans for the upcoming week. I’d agree with the above writer about the indoctrination, but I have to add some comments from someone inside the trenches.

First, if possible, homeschool your kids. I realize that sounds self-destructive coming from a public school teacher. The facts are, however, that one-on-one learning between a parent and a child will practically always be superior to the 25-to-1 ratio in my classroom, no matter how well I teach. I’ve seen one failed homeschooling family, and dozens of successful ones. Yes, that’s anecdote, but I think I can safely generalize it to the larger population.

Second, while there are many problems with indoctrination, there are a lot more conservative teachers out there than you may realize, and we’re busy undermining the leftist establishment one child at a time. My colleague down the hall has his kids read “Pilgrim’s Progress” and “Animal Farm.” My kids are reading Solzhenitsyn. I have tenure, too. Try to fire me for teaching my students that John Locke posited the idea that natural rights emerge from God.

There’s also a problem with indoctrination that is easy to predict from its failure throughout the world. In the Soviet system, students quickly became cynical and disinterested when they discovered that all they had to do for an A was to include Marxist dialectic in any paper they wrote. The same is happening in my school. Most kids find race-based propaganda to be humorous (thanks to “South Park”), feminism to be on par with fairy tales, and Obama to be corrupt, foolish, and useless. The most popular meme circulating among my students last fall was the Obamaphone lady.

What happens in my classes, ever year, is that students routinely forget much of their learning in the summer, and we have to reteach it in the fall. I’d like to have schools year-round. Of course, I’d also like to have privatization, or at least vouchers, but that probably won’t happen during my lifetime. Someday, though. In any case, my point is that learning has to be consistent to be effective, and American schools don’t provide that consistently.

It’s a mess, though. Got to get back to work. Be well.


10 posted on 01/13/2013 11:19:46 AM PST by redpoll
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To: Cowboy Bob

How much time do they really need to learn how to put a condom on a banana?


11 posted on 01/13/2013 11:19:46 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

bingo


12 posted on 01/13/2013 11:20:46 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: madison10

The education they are getting is propaganda filled crap. They don’t need more of what they are doing.

If you had a factory that never meets production standards, and thr products it turns out are deeply flawed, how does adding a 3rd shift correct the problem?


13 posted on 01/13/2013 11:21:33 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: madison10

That extra 2-3 weeks they tacked on since I was in school doesn’t seem to have helped.


14 posted on 01/13/2013 11:23:19 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: madison10

They probably don’t need to lengthen it, merely restructure it to replace the long summer break with more but shorter breaks.


15 posted on 01/13/2013 11:23:25 AM PST by Valpal1
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To: FlingWingFlyer

yep


16 posted on 01/13/2013 11:26:47 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: madison10

The question is phrased wrong.

“will a longer school year help or hurt the teachers union and their funding?”

There fixed it.


17 posted on 01/13/2013 11:26:56 AM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: madison10

The only reason they want longer school hours is to prove that teachers need more money than the ridiculous amount they are currently paid (with more bennies).

Another reason is that today’s mothers want the school to continue being a baby-sitter for the masses and if the schools could baby-sit their little monsters all year long it would be great and give mom even more time to “screw off” and enjoy her “off” time.

The communists like it because it gives them even greater time to indoctrinate their captive students even more and “brain washing” could be accomplished in a much faster and meaningful way due to longer hours and days.


18 posted on 01/13/2013 11:28:09 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: redpoll

I was a stay-at-home mom for 10 years; however, I have been in the teaching profession since 1981. Longer school terms are not required for “mo-better” learning. Intact families who discipline their children at home and teach them responsibility and respect for themselves and others is the “missing ingredient”.


19 posted on 01/13/2013 11:31:19 AM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: madison10
the Leacher's union will never go along with it so it's a moot point...
20 posted on 01/13/2013 11:48:55 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Only reason? Well, yes, and not completely.

How about strengthening the teachers' unions, giving them more money to work with and kick back to Dem politicos, campaigns, causes, and services, and increasing the unions' workforce numbers.

Academia of course wants to extend their required, gate-keeper endorsements for those who succumb to paying them to be able to get good jobs. They've long been the gate-keepers for teachers, screwing up the process and their products royally. They want it, as do the progressives, to extend to every job market. As fascism is exercised and government keeps increasingly influence various industries, they are effectively tightening their grip on our culture and economy. It must be stopped and turned back in its tracks!

The Dim politicos fostering academic bloat and academic unions filching taxpayer dollars must be broken. We must remove self-interested politicos and negotiators that benefit from academics getting more taxpayer and students' parents dollars to pump through their figurative arteries without proper accountability and freedom from corruption.

At this point, most academics that are paying attention have simply been self-interestedly and ignorantly convinced that this is the only way the system should work. They're happy to get in on any gravy train (corruption) that can line their pockets. Those not paying attention know of no other way, nor care to try to change anything.

HF

21 posted on 01/13/2013 12:08:49 PM PST by holden (Alter or abolish it yet?)
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To: madison10
Catholic schools don't need a longer school year to have their students achieve....or other religious schools...or private schools for that matter...

yes, I agree, parochial schools and private schools might have students from better families...

but their are lots of Catholic schools doing well in very poor areas...we have one in our area that is really truely Catholic in every sense and yet is located in one of the poorest areas in the state...the kids all graduate (grade school) and HS and well over 95% attend college....

longer schools year just means hiring more teachers because you wouldn't want the regular teachers to have to work normal hours...

22 posted on 01/13/2013 12:19:12 PM PST by cherry
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To: madison10

All public schools destroy Wisdom and Knowledge in little children—by removing them from the natural family and institutionalizing them in an inhumane environment to be emotionally manipulated to adopt the worldview of Satanists—Ideas that there is no Absolute Truth-—no God—just Rights that come from Satan-—like Sodomy and abortion.

They destroy Common Sense—that which comes from experiencing nature—interaction with people who should really love them—not in an artificial environment with a stranger and immature children-— and Wisdom comes from READING and UNDERSTANDING history which isn’t warped by Marxists revisionism.

In other words-—reading the Classical history from the original sources-—which has been removed by all public schools now to put in Marcuse/The Beats influence-—the ideas of Luciferians.

Since the Cultural Marxists took complete control of all curricula and “ideas” that are shaping the worldview of children in 1970 (reinforced by Hollywood and evil Glee-like programming where Evil is normalized)-—public schools have been absolutely destroying Knowledge and Wisdom.

Like Dennis Prager stated recently-—the longer a child is in school (universities) the more Common Sense is beat out of them. They will actually be brainwashed into irrationality—to think Evil is Good—even though their early experience with a mother and father proved otherwise.

Get your children OUT! Know that good teachers can NOT eliminate the psychology of BF Skinner/Wundt embedded in the curricula to destroy Virtue. Most are helpless because of the cleverness of Satan and their lack of understanding of psychology because they are usually products of the Satanic education system. They are blinded and unaware of Truth although they “think” they know what is really happening.


23 posted on 01/13/2013 12:27:18 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: madison10

NO!!

Terrible idea giving the government even more time to brainwash your kids.


24 posted on 01/13/2013 12:34:05 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Cowboy Bob

spending half a year brainwashing 11 year olds into thinking sex is a great idea - NYC/Kali schools


25 posted on 01/13/2013 12:35:13 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: DuncanWaring
They have gone far beyond that into encouraging children to sleep around and not to discriminate when they do it. NYC schools spend a whole semester on sex, with graphic 'obscene' workbooks. The kids start off printing up a map routing to the nearest abortion clinic, they also have to write a report comparing different types of condoms.

Pretty soon you will have to have sex in class to pass it seems like.

And these are 11 year olds!!!

They start at 11 and work their way up. Imagine being propagandized, desensitized and crap like that for 7 or 8 years. There is NO opt-out either.

26 posted on 01/13/2013 12:41:03 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: lyby

>>>Intact families who discipline their children at home and teach them responsibility and respect for themselves and others is the “missing ingredient”.<<<

I agree 100 percent. I’ve seen it here in our rural Alaska schools, where the out-of-wedlock birth rate is astonishing. It’s even higher than the inner city. Of course, Native people have been under the socialist welfare state longer than any other group of Americans.

Whenever a student comes up to me and tells me that their sister, auntie, friend, or acquaintance is pregnant, I always ask the name of the husband. When they inevitably tell me that there is no husband, or just a boyfriend, I tell them point blank that not having an intact family will probably hurt the child. You’d think I’d get reams of crap for that, but usually the student looks down at her feet, shifts uncomfortably, and tells me I’m right. Every Native elder agrees with me, too, but they’re dying out quickly. Maybe one day I’ll be reprimanded for saying this, but I’m the one expousing the correct moral choice here. It’s a hill I’m willing to die on.

By the way, I’ve only been at this since 1998. I have a lot of catching up to do. Be well.


27 posted on 01/13/2013 12:51:41 PM PST by redpoll
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To: redpoll
Second, while there are many problems with indoctrination, there are a lot more conservative teachers out there than you may realize, and we’re busy undermining the leftist establishment one child at a time. My colleague down the hall has his kids read “Pilgrim’s Progress” and “Animal Farm.” My kids are reading Solzhenitsyn. I have tenure, too. Try to fire me for teaching my students that John Locke posited the idea that natural rights emerge from God.

Yeah, you got to do it from within and take baby steps. BTW, I had a teacher, my German teacher, who showed us slides he took when he took his class over to Germany in 1979. The trip included an excursion into East Germany. He said the people were quiet and many of them were aloof if not all out afraid. He said the setup in the restaraunts there were like machine precision as well as when they crossed from West to East, it seemed like the weather changed from sunny to cloudy. I first had him in 1982 as a sophomore in high school and he gave us a great speech on how the Communists and progressives would destroy us from within and if we were not careful and vigilant, we will start to rot and crumble. I kept in contact with him until his death in 1993 from kidney cancer, he was in his early 50's, at that time, the early 1990's, we seemed optimistic with the fall of the USSR but I think and know he'd be horrified at where we are at now but still I wish he was here just to hear his take on things.

I asked in 1983 just after KAL-007 was shot down by the USSR about where if "the US became the USSR and the USSR became the US." Still I don't think Russia is 100% there but in all essence and fairness, it seems they "get it" more than we do now so it seems like I might see the results of my thought experiment question that was tossed out just for "craps & giggles" so long ago. 1979 to 1983 don't seem that long ago to me. If I close my eyes and/or lay in bed at night and think and imagine hard enough, I see myself back then. When I look back now at all the events I've seen and what is going on now, it does seem like a different world then and somehow I've or we have fallen into some crack in space/time to a sick, weird and retarded Bizzaro world.

Also, it is like being in space frozen and coming back to a different world. If it was up to me, I'd just stay in space but I know I'd have to come down at some point when the food and repair parts run out and when my power runs down as the reactor fuel is used up, the batteries getting old and the solar panels decay. B-P
28 posted on 01/13/2013 12:56:17 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: redpoll

Yes, but with schools encouraging kids to sleep around from an early age with no moral qualms attached, and a media that glorifies it and parents who wouldn’t know how to even frame the idea... what do we expect will ever make it better?


29 posted on 01/13/2013 12:59:49 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: redpoll
I agree 100 percent. I’ve seen it here in our rural Alaska schools, where the out-of-wedlock birth rate is astonishing. It’s even higher than the inner city. Of course, Native people have been under the socialist welfare state longer than any other group of Americans.

Whenever a student comes up to me and tells me that their sister, auntie, friend, or acquaintance is pregnant, I always ask the name of the husband. When they inevitably tell me that there is no husband, or just a boyfriend, I tell them point blank that not having an intact family will probably hurt the child. You’d think I’d get reams of crap for that, but usually the student looks down at her feet, shifts uncomfortably, and tells me I’m right. Every Native elder agrees with me, too, but they’re dying out quickly. Maybe one day I’ll be reprimanded for saying this, but I’m the one expousing the correct moral choice here. It’s a hill I’m willing to die on.


Sad, isn't it. I'm generally a libertarian on sex but it seems in many places, kids are experimenting with it way too young and/or without being taught right so they can exercise good and wise thought processes to it. It is a natural thing and it is up to the families and parents to teach their kids the proper way and to arm them with the mental tools to exercise good judgment along with the idea of being responsible and accountable for their actions. You pointed out in many Eskimo and American Indian communities, they know the "Great White Father" (er, half-White? Mulatto? Pretenda from Kenya? I give up... BTW, I'm not PC At all) I prefer the truth good and bad) in DC will pick up the tab so responsibility and accountabilty go out the window or more correct, it falls on our shoulders community and moneywise. Having the welfare check as your parent is not the answer, you need ideally both parents with good though processes to teach their kids right.

I'd like to see the Eskimoes and Indians throw off the government yoke. I think what started it was "White Guilt" and the idea of using government power to lift them up. I think in time, they would have done so on their own plus don't forget, they have been taking care of themselves for thousands of years, way long before Uncle Sugar showed up.

Also, even though they are young, both the mother and father need to step up to the plate and learn fast and be responsible. Sure the local community and their families will help, but it looks better if they are helping themselves a little or at least giving it a good try.
30 posted on 01/13/2013 1:14:52 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: Nowhere Man

another example of libertarian utopianism proven a failure - and its only barely started. Wait until they normalize pedophilia and incest.


31 posted on 01/13/2013 1:18:17 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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Will longer school year help or hurt US students?

Yes, but only if they are NOT in public schools.

32 posted on 01/13/2013 1:20:13 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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To: madison10

The best way to help US students is to abandon indoctrination and instead return to education.


33 posted on 01/13/2013 1:24:30 PM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: GeronL

I can’t blame the libertarians, they stress responsibility and accountability, I’d put the blame on the LIBERTINES who are running our system. I consider myself a libertarian/conservative for the most part but I really believe we need to teach responsibility and holding people’s feet to the fire for the messes that are made. You make it, you clean it up and make it right. I think too many times libertarians do get a bum rap although I break away from some of the established party platform. I guess I’m more of a Barry Goldwater type, although I disagree on Panned Parenthood and I’m pro-life (although Constitutionally, it should be tossed back to the States, Roe v. Wade is bad law)


34 posted on 01/13/2013 2:06:45 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: madison10
Privatize schools and let the parents and kids choose.
Summer vacation starts when the stringent curriculum for the year has been completed.
Set's see how much work they put in then.
Communists don't believe in rewards for hard work. I think it will work very well.

35 posted on 01/13/2013 2:15:14 PM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: madison10

I am pretty old fashion and even though I have not been in the K-12 system since 1985 in Indiana. First thing I favor is have the school year structured where Summer Vacation is from Memorial Day to Labor Day. What I remember in first grade was we got out like June 6th in 1974 and I member our principal told us on the PA system to have a safe Summer and see us in September. Come 4th grade, school started like on Aug 30th in 1976 and by 8th grade in 1980, we started like on Aug 25th. A lot of parents were pretty p*ssed with the early start date. And now they start early to mid Aug and even in some districts, end of July.

I remember many years ago, I had a debate with a liberal woman I worked with and she remarked that Summer vacation was anachronistic from our agriculture days. She supported year round school. I know the district here in Colorado where my son goes to, they usually run Summer vacation from Memorial Day depending on snow days to mid August. IMHO, school should not start any earlier than Labor Day due to temperatures being still too warm in August. There was one district nearby went to year round school and the parents were p*ssed about it and the head administrative office people basically told the parents too bad.


36 posted on 01/13/2013 2:31:13 PM PST by CORedneck
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To: GeronL

>>>Yes, but with schools encouraging kids to sleep around from an early age with no moral qualms attached, and a media that glorifies it and parents who wouldn’t know how to even frame the idea... what do we expect will ever make it better?<<<

There was only one Jesus in a corrupt world. I’m not comparing myself to Him in his divine sense, but it is true that one person can change the world. I can’t do a hell of a lot about our degraded society, but I can be a voice of moral sanity to a 14-year-old girl standing in front of me willing to listen to what I have to say. We all have had that moment of epiphany. So I soldier on, hope, and pray.


37 posted on 01/13/2013 2:38:44 PM PST by redpoll
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To: redpoll

The fact is that 99% of us ain’t going to heaven


38 posted on 01/13/2013 2:50:38 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: madison10

If it was teaching that was going on instead of indoctrinating and feminizing our kids, shorter years would still put our children on a better course than what we have now.


39 posted on 01/13/2013 5:09:41 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Pray for revival. <BCC><)
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To: madison10

Help or Hurt?

Well.....It will give the godless government schools even more time to force the children to think and reason godlessly. Please remember the the children must just to cooperate in the godless classroom.

And...It will cost more money. Oh great! The taxpayer will be under police threat to pay out even more money to uphold and support the government established religion of godless secular humanism and the indoctrination of children in the cult worship of government as their redeemer and savior. .


40 posted on 01/13/2013 6:23:19 PM PST by wintertime
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To: savagesusie

Amen!

You should post this as a vanity.


41 posted on 01/13/2013 6:26:21 PM PST by wintertime
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To: CORedneck

The Prussian system (public schools) is anachronistic-—when we had the highest rates of literacy-—we never had “forced education” and kids never EVER went before 7 years of age-—if they went at all-—like Lincoln who is self-educated.

Many people—like Mark Twain only went to “school for about 5 years at most-—and they are way more intelligent than our kids who graduate from college today.

Why? Because John Dewey in 1930 was a Fabian Socialist who wanted to get children away from their parents so that Christianity could be beaten out of them and the idea of Absolute Truth (God and Natural Rights from God).

The design of our schools is to create “group think” —into Marxist ideology.

It is to flip a Christian—God centered Nation—into a slave state. To do this, the individual has to be destroyed and made into a “collective” thinker.

Individualism is caused by parents loving and guiding their own children with extended family and letting them grow and learn according to their individual ability. Collective/socialism is what our school system is for—to destroy the individuality of children they put them in an institution which could care less about them and make them conform to “mass thinking” and be conditioned to be dependent on an authority figure (stranger/State) for all information.

Humiliation is the most common way to achieve the “group think” so children become very fearful of thinking “outside the box” which used to be common in Americans.

Notice how girls even starve and die to conform to the idea of “beauty” for women -—set by homosexuals who promote their idea of beauty as looking like adolescent boys.


42 posted on 01/13/2013 7:00:56 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: wintertime

The quickest way to get ripped off by a contractor or handyman is to pay him by the hour, rather than by the job.

Same thing with teachers. Thanks to govt protection and their unions, they need only show up at school and they’re paid. They’re not paid a penny more if the students turn out literate, nor a penny less if the students remain illiterate. The teachers just have to put in their time; good results not required.

Public ed is a welfare program of babysitting. As such, it isn’t even good babysitting.

Yet it’s easy to find conservatives who shamelessly continue to send their children into the process.


43 posted on 01/14/2013 11:36:38 AM PST by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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