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Doctors euthanize Belgian twins who said they could not bear the thought of going blind
National Post ^ | 13 Jan 2013 | Bruno Waterfield

Posted on 01/14/2013 12:49:44 AM PST by BlackVeil

Identical twins have been killed by Belgian doctors in a unique case under the country’s euthanasia laws.

The 45-year-old brothers from the Antwerp region were born deaf and sought euthanasia after finding out that they would soon go blind. They told doctors that they were unable to bear the thought of not being able to see each other again.

The twins, who have not been named but have been pictured on Belgian television, had spent their entire lives together, sharing a flat and working as cobblers.

Belgium’s Het Laatste Nieuws newspaper reported on the weekend that doctors at Brussels University Hospital in Jette “euthanized” the two men by lethal injection ...

(Excerpt) Read more at news.nationalpost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: belguim; sad; twins
Very sad. The slippery slope in action.
1 posted on 01/14/2013 12:50:01 AM PST by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil

Not doctors. Executioners.


2 posted on 01/14/2013 12:51:49 AM PST by TigersEye (Free fetus disposal is not a right.)
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To: TigersEye

You are 100% correct.

And who knows if they were really going to go blind? Medical opinions are anything but reliable. I have seen people face a terrible prognosis - but nothing happens, the threat receeds. And others who are told they are cured, but soon after die from that illness.


3 posted on 01/14/2013 12:55:22 AM PST by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil

You mean they were murdered.


4 posted on 01/14/2013 12:57:08 AM PST by Cymbaline ("Allahu Akbar": Arabic for "Nothing To See Here" - Mark Steyn)
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To: BlackVeil
SCREECH!! ing to a halt !!

What?

I've been happily cobbling with my brother for LO, these many years and ... and ... and someone said I'm gonn'a go blind.

SOMEone said ... You're gonn'a lose your eyesight

Someone SAID ... just SAID .. I'm GOING TO GO blind (I ain't blind yet)

T'hell with it ... kill me now



Y'all believe this ?

I don't.

5 posted on 01/14/2013 1:02:30 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: BlackVeil

Yes, I’ve known many people who defied their medical prognosis, Everything from nerve, ligament, spinal injuries to pathological diseases like cancer and diabetes. These twins bear their responsibility too. They committed suicide. Always a bad choice.


6 posted on 01/14/2013 1:03:02 AM PST by TigersEye (Free fetus disposal is not a right.)
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To: BlackVeil

I can’t even imagine. There has to be more to this. Were they retarded in some way?
What kind of a ‘doctor’ would even contemplate something as heinous as this?
We are losing our humanity. G-d forgive us.


7 posted on 01/14/2013 1:11:31 AM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: BlackVeil

So very true. My OBGYN had me convinced my daughter had Down’s Syndrome. I delivered a healthy baby, with no health issues besides GERD, 3 months ago.


8 posted on 01/14/2013 1:14:59 AM PST by BuddhistConservative
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To: BuddhistConservative
Ah! What a blessing!

Yep, doctors are just people and they DO NOT know as much as they think they do.

9 posted on 01/14/2013 1:23:09 AM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: BlackVeil
doctors at Brussels University Hospital in Jette “euthanized” the two men by lethal injection

The death penalty for no crime. How fast is it executed for actual criminals?

Death penalty

The death penalty: a few notions

Belgium, along with a great many other countries, believes that the death penalty is a serious assault on human dignity. The dissuasive effect of this punishment has not been proven and since it is irreversible, it is impossible to subsequently grant reprieve. In Belgium, the last execution took place in 1950 and this sentence was abolished by law in punishment for any crime whatsoever in 1996.

http://diplomatie.belgium.be/en/policy/policy_areas/human_rights/specific_issues/death_penalty/

The people who offed the twins were the ones who went blind.
10 posted on 01/14/2013 1:26:40 AM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Ezekiel
The people who offed the twins were the ones who went blind.

Post of the day.

11 posted on 01/14/2013 1:30:49 AM PST by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil
Just days after the twins were killed by doctors, Belgium’s ruling Socialists tabled a legal amendment that will allow the euthanasia of children and Alzheimer’s sufferers. The controversial change will allow minors and people suffering from dementia to seek permission to die.

Wow.

12 posted on 01/14/2013 1:32:29 AM PST by Cementjungle
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To: MestaMachine
There has to be more to this.

No, just another normal day in Europe. The doctor says their last conversations were serene and beautiful. Note also, in the article, that the laws are being broadened to include euthenising children.

Were they retarded in some way?

I wondered about that. Their existing disability, and very reclusive way of life - living always within sight of each other and working as cobblers - at least suggests a learning handicap. I also wondered if one twin was being dominated by the other, who made the decision for both of them. Such dynamics are typical in disfunctional families, which, behind the jolly picture drawn in this article, is what this one was.

13 posted on 01/14/2013 1:36:17 AM PST by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil

There’s something lacking in this story that makes it creepy.

They weren’t blind yet, couldn’t they have waited until that happened? At least they wouldn’t have seen the needle coming at that them. Gads, I hate needles, I pass out.


14 posted on 01/14/2013 1:38:09 AM PST by Ms. Blunt
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To: BlackVeil

This from the continent that gave us the Nazi’s and Communism, should not be a surprise. Satan is still very strong there...


15 posted on 01/14/2013 1:39:42 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: knarf

“Y’all believe this ?”
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I am not buying it either.
Why not wait till your blind, THEN X yourself out?
Most likely this is more brainless journalism.


16 posted on 01/14/2013 2:04:38 AM PST by AlexW
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To: BlackVeil
since it is irreversible, it is impossible to subsequently grant reprieve

Looks like all that talk of "a serious assault on human dignity" doesn't mean jack when a verdict is handed down by "doctors". Where's all that better-safe-than-sorry compassion when *innocent* lives are at stake?

17 posted on 01/14/2013 2:21:08 AM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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Lurching towards the medieval.


18 posted on 01/14/2013 2:53:28 AM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: BlackVeil

You’re next. (What, you think it will stop here?)


19 posted on 01/14/2013 3:02:55 AM PST by veritas2002
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To: BlackVeil

Life either has absolute value or it does not. If it does not, it has relative value. If it has relative value, you’re next.


20 posted on 01/14/2013 3:04:56 AM PST by veritas2002
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To: BlackVeil

Will the Pope say something about them getting an express ticket to Hell for this (doubtful they are off the hook just because doctors supervised) or will he just keep going on about how bad capitalism is and how great islam is?


21 posted on 01/14/2013 3:06:27 AM PST by mikey_hates_everything
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To: mikey_hates_everything

I haven’t heard the Pope make statements like that - and he has condemned euthenasia, and spoken up for the value of life. It is hard to get the message across, in such a secular and materialistic society.


22 posted on 01/14/2013 3:19:52 AM PST by BlackVeil
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To: Cementjungle

Why can’t these lazybones kill themselves, at least?


23 posted on 01/14/2013 4:15:13 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: mikey_hates_everything

Will Catholic-bashers figure out that the Church is the only institution left standing against this sort of evil, or will they just keep making ignorant comments on message boards?


24 posted on 01/14/2013 4:15:21 AM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: BlackVeil

It’s a good thing Ray Charles wasn’t born in Belgium.


25 posted on 01/14/2013 4:19:47 AM PST by montag813
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To: BlackVeil

Lurching towards nazism. Again.


26 posted on 01/14/2013 4:27:41 AM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: BlackVeil

“Neither of the men was terminally ill or suffering extreme physical pain.”

No one is going to say it because it would be inappropriate.
But I will.

What a couple of cowardly p*ssies.

‘That’s night fair! You can’t say that!’
You’re damn right I can! Their skin wasn’t dissolving. Their bones weren’t rotting away. When things go wrong you deal with it. I woke up blind in one eye several years ago. Had to have my retina reattached. And I just had cataract surgery last week in the same eye. I’m in my lower 40’s. Doctor says I’m already starting to develop a cataract in the other eye. I would hate to go blind but I wouldn’t kill myself over it. Too much left to do. Too many people I care about. Too many people that care about me.


27 posted on 01/14/2013 4:31:54 AM PST by servo1969
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To: BlackVeil

Sadly,my psoriasis is getting pretty bad.Under OsamaObamaCare I’m sure I won’t have any trouble finding a “doctor” to help me end it all.”Cost savings” don’t you know.And “death with dignity” as well.


28 posted on 01/14/2013 4:39:03 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (When Robbing Peter To Pay Paul,One Can Always Count On Paul's Cooperation)
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To: BlackVeil

that is depraved, if they want to have a suicide pact, that is one thing, they will be in hell after death. But now they are all headed for hell, I guess the doctors can ask for forgiveness, but even with repentance they may end up in hell


29 posted on 01/14/2013 4:46:07 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: BuddhistConservative

change doctors


30 posted on 01/14/2013 4:47:39 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: BlackVeil

yes, we are reliving those preWWII days when those who were not “perfect” were euthanized.

Evil never gives up. So sad...


31 posted on 01/14/2013 4:51:23 AM PST by sassy steel magnolia
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To: BuddhistConservative

GERD?
With babies, GERD isn’t a disease; it’s what babies do for the first 6 months of so. Keeping the epiglottis closed so that stomach content doesn’t come up (baby spit-up) is a learned action, not one you start out with.


32 posted on 01/14/2013 4:54:12 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: BlackVeil

It would appear that these two willingly chose to end their lives in a non-violent manner and sought medical assistance to do so. Isn’t that another version of the Liberty and Freedom we laud here on FR, to pursue Life and Happiness or have the Liberty not to? Who are we to force them to live?


33 posted on 01/14/2013 5:03:52 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: BuddhistConservative

Congratulations! What a wonderful blessing. :)


34 posted on 01/14/2013 5:25:45 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: BlackVeil

What happened to the Hippocratic (sp?) oath? This is so awful.


35 posted on 01/14/2013 5:30:09 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Cementjungle

“Just days after the twins were killed by doctors, Belgium’s ruling Socialists tabled a legal amendment that will allow the euthanasia of children and Alzheimer’s sufferers. The controversial change will allow minors and people suffering from dementia to seek permission to die.”

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OMG. Children?? Can’t people just take care of their family members? I don’t think I can even finish this thread—too painful. I can’t believe the soul-lessness that is around in the world today.


36 posted on 01/14/2013 5:35:59 AM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Wpin; others

‘satan is still very strong there,’

I’m from the US, but am a missionary, just outside of Brussels, planting house churches. I’ve been lurking here forever...but this article really got me.
We know a couple who were pregnant and advised to abort, at this hospital, because of a possible abnormality. They aborted...
Belgium isn’t like it’s surrounding neighbors...you see the difference in people while just walking around. These people have been the punching bag of Europe since the time of Caesar.
I believe these issues are all just symptoms...Flanders is #1 in West Europe for suicide and #5 in Europe... Divorce rates are around 75% and alcoholism is off the charts. A significant number of people are on anti-depressants.
Oh yeah, less than 3% are practicing Catholics and less than .5% are protestant...a correlation?
So I’m not so sure the issue is Satan being strong as much as it is, disciples of Jesus Christ (in either of those camps) not ‘being’ who they’re called to be and are therefore, incredibly weak.
A significant problem too, is that the Church has failed to step in front of the mirror and let justice clean house. It was said recently that everyone in Belgium, has in one way or another, been effected by scandals in the Church.
People have committed crimes that have been covered up by Church leadership...I wouldn’t trust them either. One of the perps is living large in a protected place in West Flanders.
So I think many believe the only other decent option is ‘science.’ In schools it’s taught as the ‘only’ truthful and valid option on which to base your life. (my kids attended Flemish schools) So if science tells you you’re going blind or your baby may possibly be deformed...you trust it...more so than you can those in the Church... Sorry for being so long winded!


37 posted on 01/14/2013 6:06:41 AM PST by ScottG
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To: BuddhistConservative

Happened to my best bud and his wife, docs told them their second child had downs and recommended abortion. Thank God he is a strong believer of Jesus, and said no. They had a beautiful healthy strong little girl.

This story just doesn’t seem right to me, maybe I’m just suspicious of everything these days, but it seems pretty severe to be going along then all of a sudden want to die because you might go blind.


38 posted on 01/14/2013 6:33:49 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

My son & DIL were told their 4th son would possibly die (pre-birth) or be deformed. The are both very strong Catholics and decided to leave it in Gods hands. My 4 year old grandson is doing just great!!!


39 posted on 01/14/2013 7:51:00 AM PST by MarineMom613 (RIP Sandra Sue, my fur baby 12/31/1999 ~ 7/2/2010 - See you on the other side!)
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To: MarineMom613

Your story is another one of many as to why we should just trust God, I am happy to hear good things once in a while in an otherwise depressing realm of news.


40 posted on 01/14/2013 10:21:37 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: sassy steel magnolia

The socialist State with a velvet glove preying upon the weaknesses and distress of people to get them to “choose” to murder themselves rather than live, is a twist on the old theme of the iron fist socialist State just murdering them without their permission, is not an improvement.

The goal and outcome of the State murdering innocent “useless eaters” is the same. American liberals are going to overwhelm elderly white people in the same way. They will have the power and the manipulation power to make desparate people feel suicidal.


41 posted on 01/14/2013 10:54:28 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: ScottG
... less than 3% are practicing Catholics and less than .5% are protestant...a correlation? So I’m not so sure the issue is Satan being strong as much as it is, disciples of Jesus Christ (in either of those camps) not ‘being’ who they’re called to be and are therefore, incredibly weak.

You don't see a connection? You don't see that the force acting against deep religious belief, the force fomenting corruption in the existing religious organizations, hideous crimes, and moral emptiness is Satan? You don't see that perhaps the reason people aren't "being whom they're called to be and are therefore incredibly weak" is the evil one's pressures?

Dude, you're a missionary. You must be aware that, as St Paul said, we are at war against dark powers and principalities. Know thine Enemy. You can't fight effectively for Christ if you don't realize whom you're fighting against.

42 posted on 01/14/2013 1:06:51 PM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: BlackVeil

The Nazis have won, after all.


43 posted on 01/14/2013 1:11:12 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: servo1969
I greatly admire Dr. Stephen Hawking, if for no other reason than
    HE GETS UP AND GOES TO WORK EACH DAY
, and he is 70 some years old now.

There is an extraordinary example of someone that has defied doctor's predictions.
44 posted on 01/14/2013 2:30:38 PM PST by Rebel_Ace (Tags?!? Tags?!? We don' neeeed no stinkin' Tags!)
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To: DTogo
Who are we to force them to live?

I routinely try to force people to refrain from murder. Also robbery, etc.

The actions of the doctors, in this case, are unspeakable, and this is not liberty.

45 posted on 01/14/2013 3:37:53 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: ScottG

Thank you for your post, it was not long winded...but, what you described is perfectly in form with proving the strength of Satan there. Everything you mention would be the work of evil to weaken or dilute the works of God with weak individuals. What you describe is truly the gate to hell...


46 posted on 01/15/2013 4:41:35 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: ottbmare; Wpin

‘You don’t see a connection?’

Thanks for your reply and reminder! Anyway, I sure do see a connection. Absolutely! Yet what I was trying to point out, and I suppose not very well, was not that Satan isn’t strong or isn’t wrecking havoc...he is! But even the passage you pointed out in Eph. 6, Paul went on to write that we’ve been given all we need to stand and take the battle to the enemy, but we’re not doing it! (Remember I’m in Belgium)

We can look at Satan and understand that he does what his nature does...he (in part) ‘steals, kills and destroys.’ But Jesus, who has all authority over all kingdoms and dominions, came to give life to the fullest! He called His people ‘salt’ and ‘light!’ Those are to purify, preserve and cleans every area they’re used. But if you’re not salty what good are you to defeat satan? If your light is under a bucket, what good is it?

Jesus said in Matt. 16 that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church. If I choose to look at this place through the lens of satan and his power, the gates of hell are defeating the church.

However, what I was trying to get at was, we have a nature too...a new nature where the living Christ dwells. We need to grow in that nature and, according to Jesus, that’s what all of us are supposed to be doing...making disciples of Jesus Christ.

If we’re not making mature disciples, we have people who are, ‘tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.’ (Eph. 4:14)

Therefore, I agree, Satan is wrecking havoc, but that’s who he is. To me the more important question is, ‘are we living out who we are supposed to be?’ Further, Satan does what he does, but are we taking responsibility for what we are supposed to be doing?

‘Greater is He who is in me than he that is in the world...’ (1 Jn. 4:4)


47 posted on 01/15/2013 7:49:23 AM PST by ScottG
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To: ScottG

“Thanks for your reply and reminder! Anyway, I sure do see a connection. Absolutely! Yet what I was trying to point out, and I suppose not very well, was not that Satan isn’t strong or isn’t wrecking havoc...he is! But even the passage you pointed out in Eph. 6, Paul went on to write that we’ve been given all we need to stand and take the battle to the enemy, but we’re not doing it! (Remember I’m in Belgium)”

You are absolutely correct and I am sorry I misunderstood your initial point. We in the US and indeed, I think it is pretty much world wide now, have turned away from God. I can see we are entering a very dark period that will be the beginning of returning to God and His Will. I have never seen so many who have a “feeling of impending doom, or catastrophy” as now. I sometimes wonder if God has not instilled that in us as a final warning. I have changed a lot in the last couple years towards doing more for Christ and I feel led to continue even further...I have also never had so much contentment in my life! Neat how that works...


48 posted on 01/15/2013 8:17:20 AM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Wpin

“I have changed a lot in the last couple years towards doing more for Christ and I feel led to continue even further...I have also never had so much contentment in my life! Neat how that works...”

That’s awesome! It’s amazing how He loves us and woos us into His life...and we’re satisfied! We’re made for that type of intimacy with Him...but also one another. I mean, there are over 45 different ‘one anothers’ and 15 ‘love one another’s’ in the New Testament. Loving and being loved, the very things missing here are what Jesus calls us to!

And yeah, things are looking a bit bleak, but because we have ‘His great and precious promises,’ we’re able to live out His nature and live in the hope of His return. But in the mean time, we have plenty to do!

I’m amazed though at what’s happening around the world. An estimated 120 million following Jesus in China in the last 60 years...20 thousand a day are coming to Him...and it’s all underground! There have been almost 1 million people who have turned to Jesus in the last 2 years in 1 area of India and all of these are movements focused on multiplication and some have purposed to head west! It’s staggering what He’s doing!

By the way, the US is the 3rd largest mission field on the face of the planet. There’s plenty to do there too ;-)


49 posted on 01/15/2013 10:06:22 AM PST by ScottG
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To: Campion; BlackVeil

Google “Pope capitalism” for the sources of that “ignorant” comment. I’m not going to post any specific link so as not to appear biased toward a source. “Catholic basher”? When I was confirmed, I was told I was a “soldier for Christ”. Where is the Church leadership on this today re islam? And why aren’t pro-abortion politicians who interpret and announce catechism their way being publicly ex-communicated by the Church?


50 posted on 01/18/2013 4:11:13 AM PST by mikey_hates_everything
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