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"Vitamin C, Titrating To Bowel Tolerance, etc." by Robert F. Cathcart, M.D.
OrthoMed ^ | 1981 | Robert F. Cathcart

Posted on 01/14/2013 7:34:19 AM PST by fishtank

VITAMIN C, TITRATING TO BOWEL TOLERANCE, ANASCORBEMIA, AND ACUTE INDUCED SCURVY

Robert F. Cathcart, III, M.D. Allergy, Environmental, and Orthomolecular Medicine 127 Second Street, Los Altos, California 94022, USA Telephone 650-949-2822


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KEYWORDS: cathcart; savage; vitaminc; vitamins; vitc
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Dr. Michael Savage mentioned this on his show last Friday.
1 posted on 01/14/2013 7:34:31 AM PST by fishtank
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To: dynachrome

From the article:

“ABSTRACT

A method of utilizing vitamin C in amounts just short of the doses which produce diarrhea is described (TITRATING TO BOWEL TOLERANCE). The amount of oral ascorbic acid tolerated by a patient without producing diarrhea increases somewhat proportionately to the stress or toxicity of his disease. Bowel tolerance doses of ascorbic acid ameliorate the acute symptoms of many diseases. Lesser doses often have little effect on acute symptoms but assist the body in handling the stress of disease and may reduce the morbidity of the disease. However, if doses of ascorbate are not provided to satisfy this potential draw on the nutrient, first local tissues involved in the disease, then the blood, and then the body in general become deplete of ascorbate (ANASCORBEMIA and ACUTE INDUCED SCURVY). The patient is thereby put at risk for complications of metabolic processes known to be dependent upon ascorbate.”


2 posted on 01/14/2013 7:38:51 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

I don’t listen to Savage, but am generally interested in vitamin regimes. My comment on skimming that article is:

WOW! That’s a lot of vitamin C!


3 posted on 01/14/2013 7:39:47 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: dynachrome

I was feeling cruddy Friday night when I heard Savage’s show.

Saturday, based on this abstract, I took four doses of vitamin C at a strength of 10,000 mg (10.0 gram) doses over a four hour time interval.

Yes, I got a little gassy, but I felt much better by Saturday afternoon, thank you very much!!!


4 posted on 01/14/2013 7:43:00 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

bfl


5 posted on 01/14/2013 7:44:01 AM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: FreedomPoster

Yep. Yep. Yep.

See my post above.

In the past, I thought that “a lot” of vitamin C would be a single dose of about 4,000 mg.

Last weekend, I took 40,000 mg over four hours.

It was worth it.


6 posted on 01/14/2013 7:45:07 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: FreedomPoster

7 posted on 01/14/2013 7:46:56 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank
I took 40,000 mg over four hours...

And you're not quite dead yet.
8 posted on 01/14/2013 7:47:37 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

Why A Sick Body Needs So Much Vitamin C; The Third Face of Vitamin C; Robert F. Cathcart, M.D. Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine, 7:4;197-200, 1993.

9 posted on 01/14/2013 7:50:21 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: SpaceBar
I took 40,000 mg over four hours...
And you're not quite dead yet.
"Bring out your dead"...
"Bring out your dead
Bring out your dead"

(Monty Python...sorry, I couldn't help it :)

10 posted on 01/14/2013 7:53:23 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Bozo man can :-)
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To: fishtank

Have the kidney stones hit yet?


11 posted on 01/14/2013 7:57:57 AM PST by Mom MD (Liberals are slinkies. Good for nothing but they make you smile when you push them down stairs.)
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To: fishtank

I always tell everyone Orange Juice is the universal cure-all

Lately TUMERIC has gotten my attention. I ate something heavily seasoned with tumeric and the next day I did not need my reading glasses... looking into taking it in capsule form- will report back later.


12 posted on 01/14/2013 7:59:38 AM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: skinkinthegrass

I have learned this about my chewable Vitamin C tablets (Which I DON’T take very often):

If I bite my lip, within 24 hours I will nearly ALWAYS get a very painful canker sore...

If, when I bite my lip, I immediately go take a Vitamin C tablet... and preferably one more the next day, I NEVER get a canker sore... My lip heals painlessly.

It’s never failed me... and, this USED To be a pretty common problem for me.

So... I no longer believe those who say oral vitamins DON’T make ANY difference.


13 posted on 01/14/2013 8:03:11 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: fishtank

In the early 80’s I worked in Palo Alto and met a man who had know Linus Pauling. He convinced me that vitamin C had great potential in fighting all sorts of ailments and in jump starting the immune system. I began taking consistent doses every day and large doses when I feel sickness coming on. I’ve been doing it ever since and have experienced constant good health. Although my old knees ache on occasion, I can’t remember being sick and I take no prescription meds of any kind for any reason.


14 posted on 01/14/2013 8:06:43 AM PST by Baynative (Those that work for a living are now outnumbered by those that vote for a living.)
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To: fishtank
I don't understand what the article is saying BUT, about 50yrs ago on the advice of my friend's dad (a Dr. of some kind) I cleared up blood poisoning with mega doses of vitamin C.

The dosage was: Buy the largest bottle of 1000 mg Vitamin C I could find and a half gallon of OJ. Take 10,000mg all at once with OJ, then take 1,000mg every hr after that untill the bottle is gone...I never did see a Dr.

15 posted on 01/14/2013 8:08:23 AM PST by lewislynn ( What does the global warming movement and the Fairtax movement have in commom? Misinformation)
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To: lewislynn

Basically what the article says is that the sicker you are, the more vitamin C you can take without getting the hershey squirts.


16 posted on 01/14/2013 8:16:23 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: lewislynn

If I took that much I would die of a poop hemorrhage.


17 posted on 01/14/2013 8:17:44 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: fishtank
It's called Ester-C......been around for twenty plus years.


18 posted on 01/14/2013 8:30:31 AM PST by Electric Graffiti (STERILIZE OBAMA VOTERS)
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To: Mom MD

I did that only once last weekend.

So, no.

Is there a connection?


19 posted on 01/14/2013 8:33:09 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: Mr. K

“I always tell everyone Orange Juice is the universal cure-all

Lately TUMERIC has gotten my attention. I ate something heavily seasoned with tumeric and the next day I did not need my reading glasses... looking into taking it in capsule form- will report back later.”

Turmeric is a very good anti-inflammatory. A friend of mine with MS takes it all the time. I started taking it for my Colitis and it seems to be helping somewhat. There are studies where in higher doses it has put Colitis into remission.


20 posted on 01/14/2013 8:33:57 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Mr. K
I take Tumeric capsules - you can get great deals at vitacost.com.

There have been studies that show it can adversely effect melanoma. I've never heard that it helps eyesight, that's so interesting.

21 posted on 01/14/2013 8:34:49 AM PST by diamond6 (Need scientific proof of God? Check out: http://www.magisreasonfaith.org/)
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To: Electric Graffiti

If anyone wants to order organic Vitamin C and not something filled with fillers, FReepmail me.


22 posted on 01/14/2013 8:39:17 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SpaceBar
Basically what the article says is that the sicker you are, the more vitamin C you can take without getting the hershey squirts.

That is correct. You know when your body reaches it's limit -- it tells you quickly quickly :)

I have been taking large doses of VitC for over 12 years. I have severe lung issues and it restored my health.

On the rare occasions I start to have flu like symptoms I ramp up my dosage. On some occasions I have taken over 150,000mg in a 24 hour period.

Any way, you have to take vitC in powdered form for such high does.

23 posted on 01/14/2013 8:41:02 AM PST by sand88
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To: fishtank

Vitamin c is rich in oxalates and excreted in the urine. If you take large quantities the oxalates precipitate out as calcium oxalate, or one type of kidney stone. I would be careful with massive doses of anything.


24 posted on 01/14/2013 8:44:38 AM PST by Mom MD (Liberals are slinkies. Good for nothing but they make you smile when you push them down stairs.)
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To: Mom MD
Have the kidney stones hit yet?

Medical research has shown that large doses of vitC does not cause kidney stones. I have been taking 10-15Kmg/day (most days) for over 12 years.

25 posted on 01/14/2013 8:45:49 AM PST by sand88
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To: fishtank

I’d be curious to know if Vitamin C helped chronic fatigue or sleeping disorders.


26 posted on 01/14/2013 8:46:34 AM PST by diamond6 (Need scientific proof of God? Check out: http://www.magisreasonfaith.org/)
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To: sand88; Mom MD

Thanks for the positive news on Vitamin C and

thanks for the negative news of NO kidney stones!


27 posted on 01/14/2013 8:48:30 AM PST by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

I see the article is 1981. I’m guessing this report is coming out because some TV doctors are saying Vit.C is not effective. I have had anecdotal experiences where it has worked just fine.


28 posted on 01/14/2013 8:52:55 AM PST by Cold Heart
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To: FreedomPoster
"...but am generally interested in vitamin regimes."

Check out D3 when you get a chance.

People don't get enough sunshine. I think D3 is supposed to make up that deficiency.

One good idea...take your vitamin while outside! The best time to get sunshine is early in the morning. The closer you get to noon, the more difficult it is to tolerate.

So, go outside with your Yoga mat & your vitamin C & meditate & pray!

That should take care of it!

29 posted on 01/14/2013 8:53:03 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: fishtank
Thanks for the positive news on Vitamin C

Years past I did extensive research on vitC. The human body used to produce it's own vitC: 10-15k/day. When humans started getting external sources of vitC, the body production of vitC ramped to zero.

30 posted on 01/14/2013 9:01:18 AM PST by sand88
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To: skinkinthegrass
HA! I thought of the same!

The Dead Collector: Bring out yer dead. [a man puts a body on the cart]

Large Man with Dead Body: Here's one.

The Dead Collector: That'll be ninepence.

The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not dead.

The Dead Collector: What?

Large Man with Dead Body: Nothing. There's your ninepence.

The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not dead.

The Dead Collector: 'Ere, he says he's not dead.

Large Man with Dead Body: Yes he is.

The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not.

The Dead Collector: He isn't.

Large Man with Dead Body: Well, he will be soon, he's very ill.

The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm getting better.

Large Man with Dead Body: No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment.

The Dead Collector: Well, I can't take him like that. It's against regulations.

The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I don't want to go on the cart.

Large Man with Dead Body: Oh, don't be such a baby.

The Dead Collector: I can't take him.

The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I feel fine.

Large Man with Dead Body: Oh, do me a favor.

The Dead Collector: I can't.

Large Man with Dead Body: Well, can you hang around for a couple of minutes? He won't be long.

The Dead Collector: I promised I'd be at the Robinsons'. They've lost nine today.

Large Man with Dead Body: Well, when's your next round?

The Dead Collector: Thursday.

The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I think I'll go for a walk.

Large Man with Dead Body: You're not fooling anyone, you know. Isn't there anything you could do?

The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I feel happy. I feel happy.

[the Dead Collector glances up and down the street furtively, then silences the Body with his a whack of his club]

Large Man with Dead Body: Ah, thank you very much.

The Dead Collector: Not at all. See you on Thursday.

Large Man with Dead Body: Right.

(Share this quote)

31 posted on 01/14/2013 9:18:51 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: hummingbird

Each time I took Vit C when a cold was starting, it turned into a very bad cold. I use Folic Acid for colds and mouth sores. works great.


32 posted on 01/14/2013 9:36:20 AM PST by jimfr
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Each time I took Vit C when a cold was starting, it turned into a very bad cold. I use Folic Acid for colds and mouth sores. works great.


33 posted on 01/14/2013 9:36:43 AM PST by jimfr
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To: fishtank

ACUTE INDUCED SCURVY

“Shiver me timbers, a right trig antiedoat fer sure, yar, Aaaaarrrrgggghhhh!”
Cap’n Tim Blood
9 out of 10 seadogs agree, for scurvy: `It’s Gotta be VitameatavegiCee’


34 posted on 01/14/2013 9:41:35 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: SpaceBar

LOL....your post gave me the nostril squirts...LOL


35 posted on 01/14/2013 9:42:35 AM PST by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: Mr. K
"I always tell everyone Orange Juice is the universal cure-all

Lately TUMERIC has gotten my attention. I ate something heavily seasoned with tumeric and the next day I did not need my reading glasses... looking into taking it in capsule form- will report back later."

I take Turmeric 450 mg capsule once a day. One thing I noticed is that my finger and toe nails grow quickly and strongly.

The lady who cuts my hair said my hair seems much fuller - and that is before I mentioned the turmeric.

I hope the nails and hair doing this is not bad. Foods made with curry are good, too.

Last I heard of Turmeric is that it should be taken with black pepper.

Let's google and research this. Whoever finds the Black Pepper, as a precursor (I think that is the word they used - it was on radio) to turmeric posts first and posts specifically to each other and in general to all.

Deal? Deal!

36 posted on 01/14/2013 9:50:16 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: fishtank

Vitamin C is great stuff but balance is important also.

Vitamin C will Chelate the metals out of your system perhaps causing shortages of vital nutrients so I would compensate with some extra minerals at the mega-dose levels.


37 posted on 01/14/2013 9:55:58 AM PST by underbyte (TEOTEWAKI)
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To: hummingbird

http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400915/Curcumin-or-Turmeric.html

This article says black pepper helps with absorption


38 posted on 01/14/2013 10:12:11 AM PST by opentalk
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To: hummingbird

I would have to go down and look to see how many IU, but that’s in the personal regime already. I’m thinking it’s a 2000 IU pill.

I do not own a yoga mat. I do sometimes see some yoga pants when I’m out and about that I like quite well, but I don’t think the wife would approve me bringing them (and their contents) home. ;-P


39 posted on 01/14/2013 10:18:00 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Baynative
Hi, Baynative:

What dosage do you take with Vitamin C.

Do you have 1 dosage level on a routine basis?

And a higher dosage for when you are ailing

I have had acute bronchitis since before Thanksgiving and I can't quite shake it.

I think it is what G. H. W. has only I haven't the high fever he has had. He got sick right after Thanksgiving.

Applying Aloe Juice to skin is very cooling and will clear up skin.

We need to share these type of cures.

OBAMACARE might cut out a lot of prescriptions we routinely rely on now.

Plus it is more natural to used the alternative cures if they work as good or better.

Some prescriptions might not be able to go the natural route.

Check with QUACKWATCH, if you are not sure about alternative meds - sometimes they thumbs up or down on the alternatives.

40 posted on 01/14/2013 10:24:49 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: lewislynn

WOW...that is awesome!


41 posted on 01/14/2013 10:27:44 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: fishtank

I’ve used vitamin C several times to succesfully deal with infections. The most I’ve ever taken was about 30 grams in one day. Usually I’ll take an initial 5-10 gram dose which reaches bowel tolerance, and then 2 grams every other hour afterwards.

Buy the powder form in 8 or 16 ounce sizes. Just ordered an additional 8 ounce bottle in case I should develop flu symptoms. Take a gram to 1 1/2 grams each day during winter, about 1/2 gram in summer.


42 posted on 01/14/2013 10:39:35 AM PST by Will88
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To: hummingbird
I take two 1,000 mg tabs in the morning (with OJ). If I feel anything like cold symptoms to bump to 5,000. Sometimes I take two or three more before bed. Once a few years ago I had what I thought was flu symptoms; my skin was hot, but I felt cold. I had a stuffed head and my skin was sensitive to the touch. I took six tabs with a glass of OJ and four (maybe five) before bed with ginger ale. I woke up feeling fine.

I'm sure everyone is different, but this has served me well for 30 years now.

Since we're talking health, I'll add a tid bit. - I was at the hospital to visit a friend two years ago and stopped by the snack bar in the lobby where I heard three doctors talking about flu shots being given on another floor. One of them seemed negative and I thought I heard him say, "I'll pass". When the other docs left I asked him about the shots which I don't take. I joked and said my take is that if everyone else gets one there will be no one to make me sick. He said the best safeguard against flu is frequent hand washing and advised me to pick up a small bottle of clear iodine, not the red stuff, and apply it around my nostrils several times a day to act as a disinfectant. Although flu is not primarily an airborne virus we touch our faces, especially around the nose a lot.

43 posted on 01/14/2013 10:44:48 AM PST by Baynative (Those that work for a living are now outnumbered by those that vote for a living.)
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To: hummingbird
I take two 1,000 mg tabs in the morning (with OJ). If I feel anything like cold symptoms to bump to 5,000. Sometimes I take two or three more before bed. Once a few years ago I had what I thought was flu symptoms; my skin was hot, but I felt cold. I had a stuffed head and my skin was sensitive to the touch. I took six tabs with a glass of OJ and four (maybe five) before bed with ginger ale. I woke up feeling fine.

I'm sure everyone is different, but this has served me well for 30 years now.

Since we're talking health, I'll add a tid bit. - I was at the hospital to visit a friend two years ago and stopped by the snack bar in the lobby where I heard three doctors talking about flu shots being given on another floor. One of them seemed negative and I thought I heard him say, "I'll pass". When the other docs left I asked him about the shots which I don't take. I joked and said my take is that if everyone else gets one there will be no one to make me sick. He said the best safeguard against flu is frequent hand washing and advised me to pick up a small bottle of clear iodine, not the red stuff, and apply it around my nostrils several times a day to act as a disinfectant. Although flu is not primarily an airborne virus we touch our faces, especially around the nose a lot.

44 posted on 01/14/2013 10:45:41 AM PST by Baynative (Those that work for a living are now outnumbered by those that vote for a living.)
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To: headstamp 2
"Turmeric is a very good anti-inflammatory. A friend of mine with MS takes it all the time."

I have MS too and heard about turmeric helping to control MS exacerbations.

The prescribed daily injections are very expensive.

I need to study alternatives in case OBAMACARE says no more injections.

45 posted on 01/14/2013 10:52:13 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: jimfr
Thanks for info on Folic Acid!

I'll check it out.

46 posted on 01/14/2013 11:06:41 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: opentalk
Thank you so much!

Thank you so much! hummingbird

47 posted on 01/14/2013 11:10:17 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: opentalk; Mr. K

Check out post #33 from opentalk.

Thanks again, opentalk!


48 posted on 01/14/2013 11:12:02 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: hummingbird; Mr. K; opentalk

Make that post #38.


49 posted on 01/14/2013 11:14:09 AM PST by hummingbird
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To: FreedomPoster
"I do not own a yoga mat. I do sometimes see some yoga pants when I’m out and about that I like quite well, but I don’t think the wife would approve me bringing them (and their contents) home. ;-P"

HA!

Yes, the yoga pants can be a little risque and unforgiving!

I go with sweats. Mrs. FreedomPoster might agree with the sweats!

I know Mr. hummingbird does!

50 posted on 01/14/2013 11:20:53 AM PST by hummingbird
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