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Rubio Outlines Bold Plan Giving 12 Million Illegals Legal Status
Newsmax ^ | Sunday, 13 Jan 2013 09:46 PM | Sandy Fitzgerald

Posted on 01/14/2013 9:31:21 AM PST by Olog-hai

U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio is developing a wide-ranging immigration reform plan—including steps to give more than 12 million illegals currently in the U.S. legal status—in an effort to seize the initiative on a contentious issue that polls show is hurting the Republican Party with the nation’s rapidly growing Hispanic population.

Rubio laid out the broad outline of his plan in an interview with the weekend edition of the Wall Street Journal, at the same time President Obama announced he would push a comprehensive immigration plan of his own this March.

Surprisingly, both hold similar goals—creating a process in which undocumented workers in the U.S. can gain status and at the same time create a potential path to citizenship at some point in the future. …

Republican lawmakers have told Newsmax that Rubio’s plan could pass muster, even with immigration hardliners, if the plan included a significant restitution for illegals to pay and began taxing them for their work here. …

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalaliens; marcorubio; porousborders; rino
Talk about extinct elephants. Long live Ceratotherium, eh?
1 posted on 01/14/2013 9:31:35 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...
Ping!

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2 posted on 01/14/2013 9:33:33 AM PST by HiJinx (The New Year is here; to all Men Good Cheer. (Last one out, turn out the lights.))
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To: Olog-hai

Once again, La Raza before the Constitution and America.


3 posted on 01/14/2013 9:34:15 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Olog-hai

12 million huh?

LOL


4 posted on 01/14/2013 9:35:55 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Olog-hai

Eh.. color me skeptical. The US doesn’t produce math/ science... BS! Translation= Business find US math/ science experts cost more because the federal government requires Employers pay more for them than Imports. If you are a techie who lost his job to a low paid, low federal tax import, speak up. Sure there are a zillion examples of non math/ science proficient citizens. This does not mean we need to open the flood gates of illegals. Are they really more proficient? Or just cheaper to hire? Rubio off the rails. I am disappointed.


5 posted on 01/14/2013 9:39:52 AM PST by momincombatboots (Back to West by G-d Virginia.)
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To: Olog-hai
Republican lawmakers have told Newsmax that Rubio’s plan could pass muster, even with immigration hardliners, if the plan included a significant restitution for illegals to pay and began taxing them for their work here.

Republican lawmakers have been sniffing glue.

6 posted on 01/14/2013 9:41:58 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Olog-hai

another great reason not to be a republican


7 posted on 01/14/2013 9:42:06 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Olog-hai

Rubio takes off the mask. He is an opportunist GOPe wanna be.


8 posted on 01/14/2013 9:42:48 AM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: momincombatboots

I’m not surprised or disappointmented, because I warned everyone here months ago that Rubio was a fake.


9 posted on 01/14/2013 9:43:21 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Olog-hai

I truly hope that we aren’t going to have to listen to people shilling for this traitorous POS for much longer.


10 posted on 01/14/2013 9:44:03 AM PST by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: Olog-hai
NO! Rubio!

NO! NO! A THOUSAND TIMES NO!


GIFSoup


11 posted on 01/14/2013 9:44:45 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Olog-hai

Rubio’s part of The Enemy Within.


12 posted on 01/14/2013 9:46:32 AM PST by carriage_hill (AR-15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: Olog-hai

When he runs for POTUS in 2016- like Romney he will claim he is a “conservative” and I will not vote for him. He will say the GOP needs to be more inclusive...yada yada...
Well I sleep at night because I have not compromised my core Biblical priciples.
Freegards
LEX


13 posted on 01/14/2013 9:46:58 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Olog-hai
"[A] poll of Hispanic, Asian-American, and African-American likely voters finds some support for legalization. But overall each of these groups prefers enforcement and for illegal immigrants to return home. Moreover, significant majorities of all three groups think that the current level of immigration is too high." - more details at http://www.cis.org/Minority-Views-Immigration
14 posted on 01/14/2013 9:50:27 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Olog-hai

Illegal this morning. Legal this afternoon. That’s Amnesty!


15 posted on 01/14/2013 9:51:27 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: Olog-hai
Rubio Outlines Bold Plan Giving 12 Million Illegals Legal Status him ZERO chance of a serious Presidential bid in 2016
16 posted on 01/14/2013 9:55:05 AM PST by Baynative (Those that work for a living are now outnumbered by those that vote for a living.)
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To: Olog-hai

Bold? WTH Is bold about it?


17 posted on 01/14/2013 9:59:08 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: GeronL
another great reason not to be a republican

You betcha and yet another reason not to re-up. They sure make this easy.

18 posted on 01/14/2013 10:04:01 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: HiJinx

Rubio..can kiss my ass.


19 posted on 01/14/2013 10:05:10 AM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: cripplecreek
12 million huh?

Yup, that number just keeps going down and down when it serves their purposes to have it do that.

20 posted on 01/14/2013 10:10:05 AM PST by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: Olog-hai

This is a man to trust? NOT


21 posted on 01/14/2013 10:14:10 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Olog-hai

Few weeks ago it was 11 million..This week it is 12 million ,what will it be next week, back to 11 million ?


22 posted on 01/14/2013 10:24:23 AM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: Olog-hai

It appears that Rubio is ignorant of the surveys done which show that only about 20% of the illegals have any interest in becoming US citizens. Most of them will not come out of the shadows even if given immunity. Most of the illegals just want to come here, work, get all the freebies and send money home to Mehico.


23 posted on 01/14/2013 10:26:12 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Olog-hai

I had respected Rubio and wished to see him get higher up in the GOP chain to some level of power. He’s an educated, articulate and very well-reasoning person, I think.

What disappoints me most about this is that he’s either shown his true feathers of race-biased feelings, OR he’s come to the realization just how deeply behind we (conservatives) are in terms of ever being in a position of power again.

We lost this election through massive fraud in key precincts of key states, and we lost in the get out the ‘our side’ vote, that or we’re just plain dying off and not being replaced. In this latest gambit, he’s trying to get hispanics on board with him and turn the tide. It’s his future he’s trying to save, not mine or yours.

At this point, I’ve resigned myself that about the only thing we conservatives can do now is just make our House Representatives SAY NO to anything THE BARACK want. Our Senators? They’re a wasted cause. They are too comfortable in their second tier power country club to get back down here in the trenches with us. The best tactic for them is just to vote them out whenever possible and get somebody new and inexperienced and unadulterated.


24 posted on 01/14/2013 10:28:00 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Olog-hai
Surprisingly, both hold similar goals—creating a process in which undocumented workers in the U.S. can gain status and at the same time create a potential path to citizenship at some point in the future

Why would this 'surprise' anyone.

The eGOP and the rats are cut from the same cloth.

Rubio is just the fresh, new Juan McCain.

25 posted on 01/14/2013 10:45:36 AM PST by JOAT
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To: Olog-hai
Here's how I know that they are all full of manure about this. There's nothing wrong with his ideas about reforming the legal immigration system, mandating E-Verify, improving guest worker programs, etc. There's no real logical basis to disagree with any of that, so why not just pass that and see what happens? Why does a "path to citizenship" have to be a part of the same legislation? Once they've demonstrated that they are actually in control of the flow of immigration to this country, then I could see entering into a discussion about what to do with the illegal aliens who are still here. But before that, any discussion about "immigration policy" is moot, because our real immigration policy will be half-determined in Washington and half-determined by coyotes and drug gangs on the Mexican border.
26 posted on 01/14/2013 10:51:11 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Olog-hai

Is Rubio up for re-election?


27 posted on 01/14/2013 10:56:50 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Behind the Blue Wall
Great points, BtBW
I had considered Rubio to be a possible Republican leader but he turns into a GOPe leading Conservatives to another defeat.
I expect Rubio will come out for higher taxes, gun control, obamacare and endless War Everywhere.
He spoke like a conservative for several days but now we see his true feelings and lack of a conservative ideas, agendas,approaches or philosophy.
TWB
28 posted on 01/14/2013 10:57:52 AM PST by TWhiteBear (Sarah Palin...The Flame of the North)
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To: Olog-hai

Mel Martinez 2.0, except Mel was more honest and straightforward on this issue.


29 posted on 01/14/2013 11:14:04 AM PST by Will88
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To: raybbr

Some conservative he turned out to be. He can join Colin Powell on his trip to wherever it is he’s going.


30 posted on 01/14/2013 12:18:56 PM PST by OldNewYork
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To: Olog-hai

One thing is clear as a bell ... for Hispanics, their ethnicity is more important than US law.

Is it no longer “common sense” that someone who has so little respect for your borders and laws that they feel free to sneak across the border illegally will never be the sort of citizen you want in your country?


31 posted on 01/14/2013 1:29:03 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Most of the illegals just want to come here, work, get all the freebies and send money home to Mehico.

Not exactly correct. Some of them want to send money home to Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, etc.

And commit the crimes that Americans are too lazy to do. :->

32 posted on 01/14/2013 2:16:18 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: HiJinx; Olog-hai; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; ...
Out of profound gratitude to this non-Natural Born Citizen, 12 million Latinos will immediately sing hosannas of praise for the GOP, and humming the the "Battle Hymn of the Republic," will storm registration sites to become Registered Republicans?

O Happy Day! Just like Karl Rove predicted.

Now for what really is gonna happen. These illegal aliens will continue to triple-vote for the Democrats. Forever. Just as our Negro friends vote 100% or close (actually about 110% if one dares mention ghetto hood fraud)Democrat ... to show their historic gratitude for The Abolitionist Party, that is the Republicans?

The GOP is dead. Next?

33 posted on 01/14/2013 3:30:01 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Say, what the hell happened to Reggie Love? Who's in the playroom with Barry now?)
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To: Olog-hai

What a traitor! There always was something about him that made me distrust him.


34 posted on 01/16/2013 11:42:24 AM PST by Dante3
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To: Olog-hai

These guys are seriously deluded if they think an immigration plan that has a pathway to citizenship and doesn’t secure the border *first* is going to pass muster with conservatives.


35 posted on 01/16/2013 11:49:46 AM PST by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: cripplecreek

They have been talking about 12 million illegals for about 6 or 7 years. LOL


36 posted on 01/18/2013 12:59:52 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Baynative

The illegal immigration issue is how you tell the sheep from the goats.


37 posted on 01/18/2013 1:01:36 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: spodefly

What they are doing is pushing us to the back of the line in our own country and they will always do that and their Hispanic leaders will cater to them making us second class citizens in our country. The Hispanic leaders will pressure both government and nongovernment employers to hire more Hispanics making it more difficult for Americans to find jobs. What would happen if you have to come before an Hispanic judge in a dispute with a Hispanic? How will you be treated by Hispanic police? What will happen to the civil rights of Americans? Hispanic politicians who are always pushing for the Hispanic agenda do not understand fairness they only care about their own.


38 posted on 01/18/2013 1:12:31 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: spodefly

What they are doing is pushing us to the back of the line in our own country and they will always do that and their Hispanic leaders will cater to them making us second class citizens in our country. The Hispanic leaders will pressure both government and nongovernment employers to hire more Hispanics making it more difficult for Americans to find jobs. What would happen if you have to come before an Hispanic judge in a dispute with a Hispanic? How will you be treated by Hispanic police? What will happen to the civil rights of Americans? Hispanic politicians who are always pushing for the Hispanic agenda do not understand fairness they only care about their own.


39 posted on 01/18/2013 1:13:30 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

You’re right, why would they want to come out of the shadows when they are doing so many shady things? If they came under scrutiny of the law, the government might find out that the husband was working under the table while the wife was collecting welfare, they have more than one identity and may be getting benefits under more than one name, they may be inflating the number of dependents they have so that they can get more from the IRS (you don’t want to make the IRS mad at you). Who knows how many scams they are involved with.


40 posted on 01/18/2013 1:23:31 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom

Maybe senior rubio should be deported? What a gop-e loser.


41 posted on 01/25/2013 6:43:31 PM PST by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: ogen hal

About 6 or 7 years ago the FBI did an investigation of the fake document rackets. They found the biggest fake document ring which was responsible for 3 million fake documents in Los Angeles County and other operations in 33 states. The headquarters of this ring was in Mexico.

We are swimming in an ocean of fraud due to this massive illegal alien invasion.


42 posted on 01/25/2013 6:59:07 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cripplecreek

It has been 12 million since 2005 or 2006.


43 posted on 01/25/2013 7:01:05 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cripplecreek

Better double that figure, at the very least.


44 posted on 01/25/2013 7:02:55 PM PST by TADSLOS ( "I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."-George Mason)
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To: Liz; AuntB; South40

Anyone surprised by this? Rubio is a GOP golden boy. He’s gonna bring in the magic Hispanic vote. Yeah, right...


45 posted on 01/25/2013 7:05:29 PM PST by TADSLOS ( "I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."-George Mason)
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To: Olog-hai

The communist bastard should be stripped of his citizenship!!


46 posted on 01/25/2013 7:06:09 PM PST by dalereed
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To: TADSLOS; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; South40
If it's any consolation----Rubio is a latino loser for Repubs but Dems have no credible latino spokesmen, either.

The Dems tried to pump up San Antonio Mayor Juan Castro at the convention by making him a Dem keynoter....but ol' Juan made a huge mistake when he genially introduced his mother---Maria “Rosie” Castro.

Mamasita Castro is a busy activist---a radical ethno-centric anti-assimilationist---a key figure in the activities of “La Raza."

BLOOD-CURDLING LA RAZA STUDIES TOSSED OUT OF ARIZONA SCHOOLS La Raza Studies does not even try to sugar-coat its anti-America agenda and its bloodthirsty plans to kill off Americans:

Raza Studies textbook “Occupied America,” by Rodolfo Acuña, includes a violent and blood-curdling speech given by university professor Jose Angel Gutierrez: “We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is, if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him,” (pg. 323); and (pg. 167): “.......execute all white males over age 16,” (AKA the Plan of San Diego).

America-hating Raza Studies teach (1) violence, (2) undermining US ntl security, and, (3) the need for Mexico to "re-take seven states in the Southwest...in order to make the SW a Chicano nation. "

SCHOOL BOARD NUT CASES Adelita Grijalva is the woman on the Arizona school board pimping La Raza indoctrination programs in Tuscon schools. Adelita is all up in arms about Raza Studies getting tossed via the AZ state legislature's action...she is the daughter of Raul Grijalva (D-AZ-7) who was just narrowly re-elected to our US Congress. Cong Raul Grijalva is one of Mexico’s most productive and loyal Fifth Column in the US Congress....aiding and abetting the latino criminal underworld, colluding to take back the SW, and loot and pillage the US treasury.

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JUST ANOTHER LATINO UNDERWORLD KINGPIN HOLDING PUBLIC OFFICE God only knows the how much govt money da Mayor and Mamasita La Raza are scamming. Every govt budget, agency, and bank account under San Antonio Mayor Juan Castro's control should be examined with a fine-tooth comb for govt fraud, racketeering, conspiracy, collusion, nepotism, secret LLC accounts, and money laundering, wire fraud, tax evasion, etc, etc, etc.

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All attempts to lift the veil of latino criminality is met with cries of foul. But that should not be a deterrent.

"American Greed," the excellent CNBC cable series, showcased the nefarious activitues of Cali's "Financial Plus" in which two Mexicans targeted latino immigrants in a fake investment scam to "invest home equity" via the then-booming Cali real estate cycle.

The father/son Mexican shysters bribed and colluded with a latino BofA insider----Donny Gonzales---to falsify bank documents. Father and son shysters---Juan and Harold Rangel---- ran Spanish language ads--and got $35 million from about 500 latino homeowners----hamburger flippers, lawn mowers, and such, who cannot even speak English. One latino woman had $200,000 to invest (that she lost to the Mexican shysters).

(Snix) Where do these "impoverished" latinos get all this money to invest?

The answer is they, too, are scamming---they are scamming the US govt and stealing from taxpayers. American taxpayers working for a living are slaving to pay taxes and household expenses----but the latino criminal underworld is well-organized---theur henchmen are pouring over the border to rig the system for themselves---riding the US gravy train under multiple fraudulent identities. And jerks like Obama are aiding and abetting these frauds.

(Cackle) I guess Mayor Villaraigosa did not know about this scam.

The super-secretive criminal latino underworld is now infesting the US political system. The collusive tight-knit coterie of conspiratorial political operatives have one goal----to loot the public treasury, and act as a pressure group to advance the Third World's ambitions.

47 posted on 01/26/2013 4:04:47 AM PST by Liz
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To: All

CONTACT YOUR CONG/man: Repubs need to act now——amnesty legislation should be amended to DENY citizenship in these categories (all instances cited leave a paper trail—and are easily verified).

(1) deny citizenship to illegals who purchased multiple forged/faked identities;

(2) deny citizenship to illegals who fraudulently voted in American elections;

(3) deny citizenship to illegals—and extended families—cashing one or more US govt checks;

(4) deny citizenship to all illegals convicted of crimes here and in their homelands;

(5) deny citizenship to illegals w/ fraudulent drivers’ licenses;

(6) deny citizenship to illegals undermining the US ecocomy by sending US tax dollars back to their homelands;

(7) deny citizenship to illegals affiliated with latino organizations undermining US ntl security;

(8) deny citizenship to illegals connected to the hatemongering “La Raza”

(9) deny citizenship to students and advocates of “Raza Studies” (teaches killing of Americans);

(10) deny citizenship to illegals who returned to US after being deported one or more times;

(11) deny citizenship to illegals whose parents fraudently declared them on EITC apps;

(12) deny citizenship to illegals who unlawfully received US govt gratuities in exchange for their votes;

(13) deny citizenship to those who made false claims of citizenship on job apps (US courts ruled this a deportable offense);

(14) deny citizenship to illegals using fake/forged Social Security numbers;

(15) deny citizenship to illegals who obtained fraudulent sub-prime mortgages;

(16) deny citizenship to illegals who defaulted on mortgages (and other debt).

(17) deny citizenship to illegals who skipped out on arrest warrants (violates US criminal law w/ arrest/jailtime for contempt).

.............and so on and so forth......


48 posted on 01/26/2013 4:10:09 AM PST by Liz
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To: raybbr

I am so tired of “transplants” identifying more with their respective fatherlands than with America, when America (the way it used to be) has provided the opportunities for them to live wonderful, or potentially wonderful, lives.

If you’re Hispanic first, Mr. Rubio, you’re not American. Go to Cuba; there are flights. Love it! Embrace it! If you’re African first, Mr. Powell, you’re not American. Go to Africa; there are flights. Love it! Embrace it! Ditto for everyone else taking advantage of what the Founding Fathers engineered, and then piss on the resultant country.


49 posted on 01/26/2013 4:19:54 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: Olog-hai

Math and science, my eye. The vast, vast majority of illegals simply do labor at a price that undercuts the cost of hiring Americans. Particularly when the government, through all the various welfare programs, has made unemployment too easy. When you have to pay someone excess money to make even working worth their while, it’s far, far easier to undercut the “prevailing” wage by hiring an illegal ‘under the table’.

This is nothing but a continuation of enslaving the taxpayer and the illegal so that the deadbeats can ride on easy street at the expense of others.


50 posted on 01/26/2013 4:20:06 AM PST by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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