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How Many Bullets Are Enough?
American Thinker ^ | 01/15/2013 | William Sullivan

Posted on 01/15/2013 7:58:50 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Gun control advocates, in their infinite wisdom, seem to think they have the definitive answer to this question. The answer is "less than ten."

Governor Andrew Cuomo of New York is seeking extensive gun control legislation to "tighten the assault weapons ban" and "ban all large-capacity gun clips." To these ends, he addressed the gun "extremists" by quipping, "It's simple -- no one hunts with an assault rifle. No one needs ten bullets to kill a deer."

The first time I remember being introduced to this feeble (yet somehow, incredibly persistent) argument for gun control was while watching an Eddie Murphy movie called The Distinguished Gentleman as a kid. In the film, Eddie Murphy's character is a con artist who scams his way into a vacant seat in Congress. He initially chums up to the House chairman of the energy committee, who is your stereotypical greedy, right-wing, oil-sucking politician that Hollywood loves to portray. He's anti-gay, anti-environment, anti-cancer prevention, and he also happens to be in bed with (you guessed it!) the pro-gun lobby. So he and Eddie Murphy go duck hunting with military-grade rifles to promote such weapons' recreational use.

The whole thing is purposefully absurd, with Eddie Murphy puzzling over these gun nuts firing hundreds of rounds in the air only to have one duck fall from the sky, which Eddie Murphy suggests "must've had a heart attack."

The implication is simple. Like Cuomo, the filmmakers expect the people watching to assume that the gun control debate centers on whether or not weapons capable of delivering large numbers of rounds have a legitimate recreational use. And if they do not have such utility, there is simply no need for Americans to have access to them.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; banglist; bullets; democrats; guncontrol; guns; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus
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1 posted on 01/15/2013 7:58:56 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

As many as I say is enough.


2 posted on 01/15/2013 8:00:37 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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3 posted on 01/15/2013 8:01:23 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: chris37

I use the same formula we used as combat engineers for C4: P for plenty!


4 posted on 01/15/2013 8:01:54 AM PST by rfreedom4u (I have a copy of the Constitution! And I'm not afraid to use it!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.” — Thomas Jefferson

Our Founders had very specific intentions in regard to firearms and the protection of the people’s right to own them. And the intent had little, if anything, to do with hunting or sport. The more practical use of guns is to kill or wound people who want to harm you, should that unpleasant and unthinkable need arise.


5 posted on 01/15/2013 8:02:18 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting. It is about the defense against tyranny and self-defense.


6 posted on 01/15/2013 8:02:55 AM PST by RoosterRedux (The 2nd Amendment is our defense against tyranny.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So that makes the old Iver Johnson and Harrington Richardson 9 shot .22 revolvers illegal?


7 posted on 01/15/2013 8:05:08 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The way the Left frames this is still just to make it appear that the gun issue is only about hunting, recreation or (reluctantly) self-protection.

The real question is this: How many bullets does it take to stop a tyrannical government?


8 posted on 01/15/2013 8:05:20 AM PST by newheart (The greatest trick the left ever pulled was convincing the world it was not a religion.)
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To: SeekAndFind

For the federal government, the answer is “many billions” - and not simply target rounds.

For the serfs, the answer is “none”.

Any questions?


9 posted on 01/15/2013 8:05:34 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: chris37

The government within the last two years has purchased enough ammunition to shoot each and every American 4 times over (conservatively). This does not include the US Military. These are for the IRS, the Post Office, DHS, et al.....


10 posted on 01/15/2013 8:05:48 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

How many bullets are enough?

How many tyrants and their lackeys are there?


11 posted on 01/15/2013 8:07:10 AM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Being as cartridges are unitary, most integers are very large.


12 posted on 01/15/2013 8:07:21 AM PST by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So NY lowers magazine capacity to 7 in direct response to the Sandy Hook shooting.

What will they lower it to after the next mass shooting?


13 posted on 01/15/2013 8:08:00 AM PST by umgud
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To: chris37
Much like the axiom that 'experience is something you never get until just after you needed it,' an adequate number of rounds can not be determined until after the shooting stops.

Only then will you be able to determine whether or not you had enough.

14 posted on 01/15/2013 8:09:06 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: SeekAndFind

I believe that it is time to order more.


15 posted on 01/15/2013 8:10:54 AM PST by An Old Man
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To: SeekAndFind

Tell me, in all seriousness, would the world not be a better place with armed citizens and disarmed governments? Who has killed more innocents, governments or citizens?


16 posted on 01/15/2013 8:11:00 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: SeekAndFind
Enough to overthrow a tyrannical government.

www.OathKeepers.org

17 posted on 01/15/2013 8:13:40 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (www.OathKeepers.org/oath/)
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To: SeekAndFind
"It's simple -- no one hunts with an assault rifle."

But they want to label our hunting rifle as 'assault rifle'

"No one needs ten bullets to kill a deer."

When '10 deer' attack, you need more. LOL

18 posted on 01/15/2013 8:14:11 AM PST by cotton
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To: chris37
As many as I say is enough.

This^

Are we now the old Soviet Union?? I cannot believe people are just lying down and getting steamrolled by these Marxists!

19 posted on 01/15/2013 8:14:21 AM PST by Obadiah (Those who will not hear the messengers of peace, shall be made to hear the messengers of war.)
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To: SeekAndFind

How many fricking politicans do we need?


20 posted on 01/15/2013 8:14:50 AM PST by Starstruck (The police carry weapons for self protection)
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To: SeekAndFind; rcrngroup
“And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.” — Thomas Jefferson

Our Founders had very specific intentions in regard to firearms and the protection of the people’s right to own them. And the intent had little, if anything, to do with hunting or sport. The more practical use of guns is to kill or wound people who want to harm you, should that unpleasant and unthinkable need arise.

Great quotes!

21 posted on 01/15/2013 8:19:09 AM PST by rcrngroup
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t accept the writer’s premise of “military grade” weapons, nor that notion of ability to delivery large number of rounds.

That is a straw man issue outside the argument.


22 posted on 01/15/2013 8:19:11 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: SeekAndFind

Where the hell is Boehner? Ryan? McConnell? Cantor? ANYBODY?
It appears we are on our own here.


23 posted on 01/15/2013 8:21:11 AM PST by dainbramaged (Joe McCarthy was right.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Okay, limit the clips. The idiot doesn’t know that a “clip” isn’t a “magazine,” so let him run with it.


24 posted on 01/15/2013 8:21:37 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hypocrite liberal media toadies:

James O’Keefe Visits Homes Of Journalists Who Published Names And Addresses Of Gun Owners, Finds Them Protected By Armed Security Guards…

VIDEO:

http://weaselzippers.us/


25 posted on 01/15/2013 8:22:14 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: SeekAndFind

Hypocrite liberal media toadies:

James O’Keefe Visits Homes Of Journalists Who Published Names And Addresses Of Gun Owners, Finds Them Protected By Armed Security Guards…

VIDEO:

http://weaselzippers.us/

Scroll down the page.


26 posted on 01/15/2013 8:23:28 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: SeekAndFind

How many bullets are enough? I don’t know, how many traitors to the Constitution are there?


27 posted on 01/15/2013 8:25:19 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: SeekAndFind
How many bullets are enough?
As many as are required.

"no one hunts with an assault rifle."

It's not about hunting. It's about keeping tyrants like Cuomo under control.

28 posted on 01/15/2013 8:25:19 AM PST by YHAOS
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To: rfreedom4u

hehe :D


29 posted on 01/15/2013 8:25:26 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: SeekAndFind

New Twist in Gun Control Debate: Mom Runs Out of Bullets Defending Kids from Criminal

“Assault Rifle” Saves Teenagers from Home Invasion Burglars (AR-15 with "High Capacity" Magazine)

HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINE BAN for WHAT?



30 posted on 01/15/2013 8:26:50 AM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: SeekAndFind

If I was to say 10 per perp, they would probably make me feel warm and fuzzy by passing a law saying only one criminal can enter a house at a time.


31 posted on 01/15/2013 8:28:15 AM PST by Starstruck (The police carry weapons for self protection)
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To: SeekAndFind

The U.S. military uses 250,000 rounds for each enemy killed.

Therefore:

Leftists x 250,000 = Enough ammunition


32 posted on 01/15/2013 8:32:00 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: RoosterRedux

“The 2nd Amendment is not about hunting. It is about the defense against tyranny and self-defense.”

What if you hunt “Redcoats”?


33 posted on 01/15/2013 8:32:14 AM PST by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: SeekAndFind

“How Many Bullets Are Enough?”


At minimum one more that the person/government trying to take my rights away.

NYS just FURTHER violated “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED” in the dark of night behind closed doors and everyone of those traitors to the Constitution are hiding behind armed guards because they know they are in trouble.


34 posted on 01/15/2013 8:34:41 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: SeekAndFind

A friend sent me this

A blogger added up the deer license sales in just a handful of states and arrived at a striking
conclusion:

There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of Wisconsin .
Allow me to restate that number:

Over the last several months, Wisconsin’s hunters became the eighth largest army in the world.

More men under arms than in Iran; more than France and Germany combined.

These men deployed to the woods of a single American state, Wisconsin, to hunt with
firearms, and no one was killed.

That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of Pennsylvania and Michigan ‘s 700,000 hunters, all of whom have now returned home safely. Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it literally establishes the fact that the hunters of those four
states alone would comprise the largest army in the world. And then add in the total number of hunters in the other 46 states. It’s millions more.

The point? America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown
firepower. Hunting....it’s not just a way to fill the freezer... It’s a matter of national security.

That’s why all enemies, foreign and domestic, want to see us disarmed.

Food for thought, when next we consider gun control.
Have A Great Day!


35 posted on 01/15/2013 8:35:22 AM PST by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: cotton
"But they want to label our hunting rifle as 'assault rifle'"

You need to upgrade your libspeak dictionary. Semi-automatic rifles are, 'assault rifles.' Bolt actions, or single shots with a scope are 'sniper rifles'.

Not sure what erminology they'll use to go after lever guns yet, but "military style carbine" or, "guns designed for cowboys" are safe bets.

36 posted on 01/15/2013 8:35:51 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: SeekAndFind

Everybody here knowns this quote ... or not

“All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. ” ABRAHAM LINCOLN, address before the Young Mens Lyceum, Springfield, Illinois, January 27, 1838.

ABE was talking about the second amendant


37 posted on 01/15/2013 8:40:18 AM PST by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: SeekAndFind

It really is as simple as this. Opinions on gun control mean nothing—zilch! All that matters is what the constitution says, and it specifically states we have a right to bear arms that SHALL NOT be infringed.

It may surprise some folks, but people across the political spectrum know what the 2nd Amendment means, AND the left even knows why it’s there—to protect We the People from an all powerful government. Yes. They KNOW it, and we know it. The right to bear arms was written so that We the People can revolt and overthrow an out of control government. The left tries to subvert the constitution, but they know what it really means.

I fully support the left’s right to try to amend the constitution to ban guns. Good luck with that, but that’s a constitutionally protected right, too. All other opinions are irrelevant. Don’t like guns? Amend the constitution! That’s the point we should consistently make every time the left talks about “reasonable” restrictions on the 2nd Amendment.


38 posted on 01/15/2013 8:42:04 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: EricT.

After running numbers (and I hate math!):

-Politicos (at all levels) x relatives + security
-staffers x relatives + their security
-traitorous military gays x their “partners”
-the 47% (I believe it’s higher than that, btw)
-surviving scavengers...

Whatever you have on hand, I guarantee you don’t have enough ammo.


39 posted on 01/15/2013 8:43:22 AM PST by LadyBuck (Strangeways, here we come....)
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To: SeekAndFind

[[How Many Bullets Are Enough?]]

Let’s see, how many does the constitution say is enough?


40 posted on 01/15/2013 8:45:08 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: alphadog; SeekAndFind
... it literally establishes the fact that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world. And then add in the total number of hunters in the other 46 states. It’s millions more.

How many 'hunters' do you know that just own ONE gun? I have many friends with more than 100, and plenty of ammo to support any war!

41 posted on 01/15/2013 8:46:09 AM PST by WVKayaker ("the sacrifice of One birthed opportunity for new life and real HOPE for all"-Sarah Palin 12/17/12)
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To: SeekAndFind

Apparently this guy didn't have enough! Don't make the same mistake!!


42 posted on 01/15/2013 8:47:07 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: SeekAndFind

As many to deter a gang of Crypts from breaking into your home.


43 posted on 01/15/2013 8:48:14 AM PST by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: SeekAndFind

One of the finest assault rifles ever made only held 9 rounds.

The M-1 Caliber 30 garand.

No finer rifle ever made. A little on the pricey side, but well worth the money.


44 posted on 01/15/2013 8:51:35 AM PST by Venturer
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To: alphadog
The numbers you cite reflect those who had the time to hunt and took the opportunity to purchase a hunting license. Many more folks are armed and have no time or interest in deer hunting.
45 posted on 01/15/2013 8:54:13 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: cotton
But they want to label our hunting rifle as 'assault rifle'

Bolt action with a Scope? That's a sniper rifle and those are next.

46 posted on 01/15/2013 8:55:56 AM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Venturer

“The M-1 Caliber 30 garand.”

That my friend is no assault rifle, it is a battle rifle! The M1A is also a nice rifle.


47 posted on 01/15/2013 8:56:11 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Joe 6-pack
“Only then will you be able to determine whether or not you had enough.”

My two hand guns are revolvers, have one upstairs and one downstairs so I wouldn't have many cartridges to shoot. So, I got a rifle with a 25 cartridge magazine.

Having only seven cartridges is ridiculous. Is he going to check every person who has a gun to make sure they don't put in more than 7 cartridges?

48 posted on 01/15/2013 8:56:35 AM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: newheart
If you recall, there was once an assault on SUVs. Remember? “Nobody needs gas guzzling, air polluting SUVs. They are too big and dangerous to other drivers.”

That argument fell to pieces as the left collided with itself when federal and local regulations mandated car seats and pressured car pooling and bike riding. You can't fit a family of four in a Smart car if one of them is in a car seat. Two car seats? Forget about the compact. A Family of 5 with one car seat or gawd forbid you want to take grandma with the family to the museum.... The attack on SUVs diminished.

Same ridiculous arguments here against guns except there will be no logical discussion about the original intent of weapons and their place in our founding. The most obvious and intentional reasons for preserving our rights to keep and bear arms will be avoided as people debate how many shots and what caliber is absolutely necessary to shoot deer, ducks, turkey, moose, rabbits, squirrels, bears, coyotes, etc.

49 posted on 01/15/2013 8:56:59 AM PST by Tenacious 1 ("The Brittish are Comming (to confiscate weapons)" - Paul Revere (We know how that ended))
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To: LadyBuck
Whatever you have on hand, I guarantee you don’t have enough ammo.

I think I have enough. I go to the range. I get more. Therefore I am.

50 posted on 01/15/2013 8:57:11 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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