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Gun buybacks donít reduce gun violence, either
Hotair ^ | 01/15/2013 | MARY KATHARINE HAM

Posted on 01/15/2013 8:12:02 AM PST by SeekAndFind

While we're "vigorously" pursuing "meaningful" gun legislation that can't possibly make it through Congress if it's anything near "meaningful" enough for this president, let's also remind everyone that those flashy gun buyback programs local politicians love to tout do about as much to reduce gun violence as, well, gun control does in Chicago.

USA Today covers the latest outbreak of gun buybacks, popping up across the nation in the wake of Newtown. They come with flashy local news reports, B-roll rich with antique rifles and other castoff weapons whose confiscation would have been great for preventing stagecoach hold-ups but not modern crime waves.

Researchers who have evaluated gun control strategies say buybacks – despite their popularity – are among the least effective ways to reduce gun violence. They say targeted police patrols, intervention efforts with known criminals and, to a lesser extent, tougher gun laws all work better than buybacks.

The biggest weakness of buybacks, which offer cash or gift cards for guns, is that the firearms they usually collect are insignificant when measured against the arsenal now in the hands of American citizens.

Notice the ranking of solutions worth a damn when it comes to gun violence— police patrols, intervention, then tougher gun laws. That Wayne LaPierre is so out there with his suggestion of increased police presence in schools. Buybacks are even less effective than more gun control. Why? For the same reason gun control doesn’t work— buybacks deal mostly with law-abiding citizens, not criminals:

The relatively small number of guns recovered isn’t the only problem, Scott said. Buyback programs tend to attract people who are least likely to commit crimes and to retrieve guns that are least likely to be used in crimes.

Scott and others say violent criminals – the people who do most of the shooting and killing – steer clear of buyback programs unless they’re trying to make some quick cash by selling a weapon they don’t want anymore.

That means buyback campaigns more often end up with hunting rifles or old revolvers from someone’s attic than with automatic weapons from the trunk of a criminal’s car.

“They don’t get a lot of crime guns off the street,” said Matt Makarios, a criminal justice professor who studied buyback programs while at the University of Cincinnati in 2008. “You’re only going to reduce the likelihood of gun crimes if you reduce the number of guns used in crimes.”

A buyback in Tucson, Ariz., last week collected about 200 firearms, many of them old or inoperable, in exchange for about $10,000 worth of grocery gift cards. A few hundred feet away, gun dealers set up tables and offered cash for any guns in good enough condition to resell.

“Every gun that came in was an old gun, no assault weapons,” Tom Ditsch, who watched the event, told The Associated Press. “They didn’t even take any weapons off the streets.”

Supporters of buybacks are reduced to arguing they “raise awareness,” just to give you an idea of how big a failure they are in their actual objective. The upside of a buyback program is that at least citizens aren’t being coerced out of their guns, but are instead parting with them voluntarily. Unfortunately, someone was coerced out of the tax money to pay for them. But hey, it’s showy, ineffective, expensive, and gives organizers a deep sense of moral superiority. When you’ve got all that, who needs to actually reduce gun violence?

But don’t look now, the editorial-page team at one of New Jersey’s biggest newspapers is pro-gun buyback because it makes them feel good, so there, and anyone who thinks different probably just wants a “paramilitary weapon manufactured with the express purpose of shredding humans to death.” Uh huh. Who thinks the writer could actually point out a gun with that “express purpose” in a line-up and explain why it’s different than any other semi-automatic handgun of a similar caliber?

Australia is often mentioned by liberals as a gun-control model the U.S. could follow, despite the fact that it still faces mass shootings post-draconian gun control. I appreciate the relative honesty of these liberals who are actually saying they’d like to ban most, if not all, guns. That is entirely unconstitutional, but at least could plausibly reduce gun violence, unlike an “assault weapons ban.” But there’s a rather important part of Australia’s gun control that would be logistically impossible in America.

Australia implemented very restrictive gun control “banning all semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic and pump-action shotguns and imposing a more restrictive licensing system on other firearms,” but it didn’t just stop there. The government then bought back and destroyed hundreds of thousands of existing guns to the tune of $500 million. This is perhaps the only instance where one might argue a buyback was helpful in reducing gun violence, though studies of Australia’s gun crime rates show “relatively small” improvement thanks to the law. There are an estimated 300 million guns in this country. The feds have neither the competence nor the money to pull off the biggest buyback in world history, and I like to believe the American people they’d be targeting aren’t yet quite docile enough to help them.

None of this, however, should be construed to mean they’ll never try. Lord knows I’ve stopped assuming much is beyond this administration.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; govtabuse; guncontrol; guns; secondamendment; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus

1 posted on 01/15/2013 8:12:07 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

What about a cigarette buy back program?

That should curb smoking /sarc


2 posted on 01/15/2013 8:20:21 AM PST by Morris70
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To: SeekAndFind

Gun buyback ???

Did they own the guns to begin with ???


3 posted on 01/15/2013 8:24:17 AM PST by Lionheartusa1 (-: Socialism & Communism are the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: Morris70

Naw. A fork buyback will eliminate obesity, though.


4 posted on 01/15/2013 8:25:21 AM PST by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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To: ataDude
Naw. A fork buyback will eliminate obesity, though.

Eliminate forks and only the obese will wield them.

5 posted on 01/15/2013 8:27:51 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: SeekAndFind

years ago in denver there was a church downtown doing this. i had 2 that don’t work so i took them in. long line. as soon as they announced there was no more money 90+% of the folks, including me, took our guns and went home


6 posted on 01/15/2013 8:32:46 AM PST by bravo whiskey (¬ďPeople should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.¬Ē)
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To: bravo whiskey

RE: . as soon as they announced there was no more money 90+% of the folks, including me, took our guns and went home

So:

1) It’s about the money then. If you value the money more than the gun, you will sell the gun.

2) But what’s to stop a seller from using the money to buy a better, more updated gun?


7 posted on 01/15/2013 8:37:05 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: ataDude

How about a hammer buy-back?

Let’s see, let them “buy-back” something they never were in possession of? Let them “buy-back” an AR platform weapon that cost $1,000.00 + in exchange for a $100.00 nike gift card. Yeah, that sounds fair.

NV freepers. Carson City. Noon. Saturday 1/19/13.

Life’s tough. Tougher when you’re stupid.


8 posted on 01/15/2013 8:38:56 AM PST by rktman (Live the oath you took or get out of office!)
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To: Morris70

I think we also should try something with cars....
let’s call it “Cash for Clunkers”......it would work.....
oh,wait.....
There’s just NO END of ridiculous, taxpayer money-consuming
“programs” our Governments can come up with, since we afford them the luxury of having lots of time on their hands, and since they’re also convinced that they’re the smartest guys in the room.


9 posted on 01/15/2013 8:54:52 AM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: SeekAndFind
Boston tried a buy back and crime went up so they did another buy back and the croems went up and yep for a third time they did a gun buy back and it still went up.

Finally they stopped after seeing it was crap they were buying off criminals.

Our rights are freedom or religion which means I do not accept turd poking marriage
My rights are having a gun and shall not be infringed
my state has a right the 10th
we have the 14th for the debt\\\and this piece of crap wants to rip our rights away whilst saying those who poke feces with their penis have rights, killing babies have rights.

The GOP should be out there right now on ever camera and saying this plus calling this socialism and calling out the media and of course tell everyone that obama has no clue what is going on because he has been surrounded by this Chicago thugs in a house where he never hears anyone else and say he is out of touch with our laws as his Powell the fool who still claims he;s a republican much like Geraldo

10 posted on 01/15/2013 9:02:01 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey, that gives me an idea...

If “they” ever show up at my door asking questions about my firearms,
maybe I could just tell them I sold them all at a gun-buy-back program.


11 posted on 01/15/2013 9:11:06 AM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s important to note that in deals like this, cash might not be the most persuasive deal for people looking to sell their guns to the gun controllers. Like in Tucson, recently, they were offering $50 cards for Safeway grocery stores.

However, Safeway is an overpriced store, so you can buy a lot less there than you can at several other groceries. So if they are offering Safeway cards, and you offer say Fry’s (Kroger) cards, they will get much more for the money.

And to make the deal even better, at no cost, if you can give them a copy of the weekly advertisements you picked up at the store, for free, before you came, they can see right there what is on sale, they can get even more, and will be that much more interested.

Since people offering to sell good guns for a fraction of their value are either naive or desperate, you’re still giving them a much better deal.


12 posted on 01/15/2013 9:31:29 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

Dumb question...I always wonder what is done with all of the returned firearms? How many get re-sold out the back door? Do they keep stats on crimes committed with buy back program guns?


13 posted on 01/15/2013 9:56:31 AM PST by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: SeekAndFind

A gun buyback is a great way for criminals to get rid of guns they have used in crimes. Turn in the murder weapon, get some hard cash for it, and let the government melt down anything that might be used for ballistics matching.

So, who will turn in their guns?

(1) People with no use for them, i.e. the kind of people who are least likely to use them illegally.

(2) Criminals who have fired them in crimes, and now want to get rid of evidence that might be used against them.


14 posted on 01/15/2013 10:03:50 AM PST by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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To: Repeal The 17th

RE: If “they” ever show up at my door asking questions about my firearms,
maybe I could just tell them I sold them all at a gun-buy-back program.

__________________

Will “they” not demand to see an official receipt?


15 posted on 01/15/2013 10:45:50 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

A few days ago some local news outlet in CT was celebrating the fact that something like 60 guns were turned in in one CT city. A few days later one gun store had over 300 people show up to purchase one of the 100 S&W M&P15 Sport rifles, a 30 round mag and ammo they got in. Of course the latter was deemed “controversial” by the media.


16 posted on 01/15/2013 12:19:44 PM PST by matt04
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