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Eviscerating the 2nd Amendment (...what's next after our gun rights have been taken?)
WND ^ | January 14, 2013 | Mychal Massie

Posted on 01/15/2013 9:57:01 AM PST by Perseverando

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If we are deprived of our Second Amendment rights, can the rights provided us under the First Amendment be far behind? And I point out for those prepared to disagree with me that it is freedom of speech provided under the First Amendment that allows a dissident to burn the American flag on the ground. It also allows so-called artwork that is the most vulgar representations of biblical personages to be protected as freedom of expression provided under the First Amendment. Even though said artwork is government-sponsored and taxpayer-funded under constraint of law, there are no outcries about the separation of church and state in those instances.

But somehow that same freedom of speech and freedom of expression get lost and are forgotten for the person standing in front of abortion mills offering alternatives to pregnant women that do not include murdering their unborn child.

I was right in 2001. In the past nearly 12 years since I wrote the above-referenced column, families have been sent to jail for holding a Bible study in their private homes on their private property. Pastors have been threatened and/or charged with violations under hate-speech laws for preaching what the Bible says about homosexuality.

We are already deprived true freedom of speech when a white person is criminally charged if they call a black person a nigger, but blacks calling themselves the same is viewed as somehow being a term of endearment. Homosexuals publicly call members of the tea party “tea baggers,” which is a reprobate and debaucherous form of sexual activity performed by homosexual men. But woe be the heterosexual who uses a pejorative against them.

As commentator Jonathan Alter pointed out, Obama himself referred to the tea party as “tea baggers” in November 2009. But the least disagreement with his policies

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; bhofascism; bloodoftyrants; cw2; cwii; cwiiping; democrats; donttreadonme; govtabuse; guncontrol; rapeofliberty; secondamendment; tyranny; waronliberty; youwillnotdisarmus

1 posted on 01/15/2013 9:57:10 AM PST by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando
DUmbberg is pushing his New York butt gun grabbing in Colorado.

Denver lobbying firm Headwaters Strategies hired by Michael Bloomberg’s gun-control group, January 14, 2013, 1:54 pm MT

2 posted on 01/15/2013 10:01:24 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: Perseverando

I’m pretty sure free speech is next. ‘Can’t have the peasants dissin’ the king.


3 posted on 01/15/2013 10:01:42 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: freeangel

After gun rights are gone nothing else matters because your no longer a citizen your a “subject”......


4 posted on 01/15/2013 10:04:19 AM PST by Breto (Stranger in a strange land... where did America go?)
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To: Perseverando

You don’t understand! They CANNOT TAKE AWAY A RIGHT! They exist outside of any law. They can attempt to regulate a right, but they can’t take it away.

This WILL result in bloodshed.


5 posted on 01/15/2013 10:09:38 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Perseverando; Travis McGee

Our God given right to keep and bear such arms as we may deem necassary and appropriate to defend our lives, our republic and our freedom against tyranny cannot be taken from us. What the Nancy boy and his regime propose is to violate the Constitutional prohibition against government infringements on our God given, previously existing right. Nothing they do can alter the full force and effect of that right. We shall see how they fare.


6 posted on 01/15/2013 10:10:12 AM PST by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.<I>)
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To: Perseverando

Easy. Once they’re done gutting the 2nd Amendment, they’ll set their sights on the 1st.


7 posted on 01/15/2013 10:10:28 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers ("I'm not anti-anything, I just wanna be free." - Mike Muir)
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To: Perseverando
"...shall not be infringed"!

The 2nd Amendment to our Constitution contains these words. This is the only Amendment in which our founding fathers sought to absolutely guarantee and insure the unfettered right to keep and bear arms. There were no limits on that guaranteed right. ANY infringement upon that right is a direct and undeniable violation of the Constitution and warrants impeachment of any office holder who violates their oath to uphold the Constitution.

8 posted on 01/15/2013 10:13:03 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation.)
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To: Perseverando

Certain questions come to mind:
1. Of the 500 plus killings by gun in Chicago in 2012, how many were perpetrated by using a firearm equipped with high capacity clips?
2. Would any of the new Obama/Biden restrictions on firearms have had any preventative effect on the recent Connecticut schoolhouse shooting incident, or on the incident where Congresswoman Giffords was seriously injured?
We shall see.


9 posted on 01/15/2013 10:15:58 AM PST by Elsiejay
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To: freeangel
I’m pretty sure free speech is next.

There is no "next". The day guns are banned is the day every gun owner in America is rendered a criminal for simply exercising their God given right. On that dark day the enemy of tyranny has nothing left to lose. On that day, the balloon goes up and the war for our survival is declared. There is no other place in the world to run. This is Freedom's last stand. You will fight and perhaps die, or you will be rounded up and die anyway.

Choose.

10 posted on 01/15/2013 10:16:05 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Perseverando

This is exactly the reason we have the 2nd Amendment, and the right to keep and bear the arms to resist tyranny.


11 posted on 01/15/2013 10:18:51 AM PST by Chief901 (Tyranny coming to an area near you soon !)
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To: All
It was refreshing to read this and see someone, in print, point out the doublestandard of when a white person vs. a black person uses the word "nigger"... and the author, Mychal Massie, actually used the word "nigger"... not "the 'n-word', not 'n*****', but right there in front of God and everyone he writes the word out and it is published as so, unedited, for clarity. How many of you noticed that? Just curious... The interesting thing... if you were "shocked", here is the thumbnail photo of that author:

I, however, may or may not be black... so I should maybe be using "the n-word" rather than "nigger" to write this post? Hmmm?

So anyways, what really is next for the government? They take your freedon of speech, your right to bear arms... they seem to be just going through the Bill of Rights amendment by amendment...

Maybe part of the whole "sequestration" business is that due to cuts, they will start quartering troops IN YOUR HOUSE?

12 posted on 01/15/2013 10:26:15 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: Perseverando
All this crap is unconstitional.

Go back and read NYS's ratification of the Federal Constitution....and the contingency of adding the Bill of Rights. Then carefully read the section pertaining to "arms". I will post it as soon as I look it up again. It's important.

13 posted on 01/15/2013 10:27:47 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

>Once they’re done gutting the 2nd Amendment, they’ll set their sights on the 1st.<

There’s an active thread about a schoolteacher who was fired for giving a student a bible. Just try and put up a nativity scene on your local courthouse lawn.

The assault on the 1st amendment began quite a while back.


14 posted on 01/15/2013 10:28:46 AM PST by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: TexasRedeye

http://www.constitution.org/rc/rat_decl-ny.htm


15 posted on 01/15/2013 10:29:53 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: All

Whew.. good thing we didn’t elect a rino..


16 posted on 01/15/2013 10:32:25 AM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

I think they’ll go after the 4th and 5th in their entirety. And I really worry that they will just nullify the 22nd by crying “Let the People decide!” rather than follow the amendment process.


17 posted on 01/15/2013 10:34:00 AM PST by Clock King
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To: Perseverando

A second civil war is coming.


18 posted on 01/15/2013 10:50:12 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: freeangel

The more these efforts take place, the more likely civil war WILL HAPPEN.


19 posted on 01/15/2013 10:52:41 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Sirius Lee

I predict also that the USA will end up breaking up along red states and blue states lines.


20 posted on 01/15/2013 10:55:38 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

They’ll set their sights on the entire Constitution and will declare it null and void.

Hopefully those silent congresscritters will realize that, if it happens, they will be out of a job.


21 posted on 01/15/2013 10:57:57 AM PST by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Perseverando

On a more personal level:

Three gang members breaking down your door - daughter&wife screaming- Dems took your gun.Son dead...


22 posted on 01/15/2013 11:07:22 AM PST by GOPJ (Three gang members breaking down your door - daughter&wife screaming- Dems took your gun.Son dead...)
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To: rarestia

When dems the only people with weapons they can take away the rest of our rights too.

Democrats will be hated someday - by almost everyone...


23 posted on 01/15/2013 11:10:54 AM PST by GOPJ (Gang members breaking down your door- daughter&wife screaming help- Dems took your gun.Son's dead)
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To: Perseverando
If we are deprived of our Second Amendment rights, can the rights provided us under the First Amendment be far behind?

What a short term memory. Our First Amendment Rights were abridged by Bush, 43, when he signed the flawed Campaign Finance Reform Law into effect as a political favor to Juan McVain!

Since then (even though most of the CFR law has been struck down), leftists have been chewing on different ways to eviscerate the Constitution.

At least zero is more direct! He either outright ignores the Constitution and the rule of law, or he just dances around it. After all, who's going to tell him that he can't? The Republicans!??

Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

24 posted on 01/15/2013 11:14:03 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: Perseverando

First they will make it against the law to utter politically incorrect speech, then they will make it against the law the speak out against the government, then your right against unreasonable search and seizure will go, along with your right to an attorney and a speedy trial. By then they are all gone for all practical purposes.


25 posted on 01/15/2013 11:33:39 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The only thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that criminals will always get them.)
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To: freeangel
I’m pretty sure free speech is next. ‘Can’t have the peasants dissin’ the king.

Free speech has been under attack for as long as anything. How many decades since hate crimes/speech has been an issue. Every day we hear how voicing disagreement with the Left is racist, misogynist, bigotted, etc. Freedom of speech is only an illusion they allow until they can disarm us, then the curtain will be pulled back and it will be clear that attacks on free speech has been the bulwark of how they run their war against Freedom.

26 posted on 01/15/2013 11:47:38 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Perseverando

Not Obama nor anyone else can take our God-given rights. They can only falsely claim to do so, while hoping we go along with their con.

No Sir - Each and every executive order that limits my rights is a meaningless waste of ink.


27 posted on 01/15/2013 11:59:17 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: TexasRedeye; Perseverando

“...shall not be infringed”!”
“ANY infringement upon that right is a direct and undeniable violation of the Constitution and warrants impeachment of any office holder who violates their oath to uphold the Constitution.”

You both have stated it well, as has the 2nd Amendment. It is an unalienable right...given to us by the Creator.

My understanding of the reading/wording of the 2nd Amendment is that ALL gun control legislation is an infringment. This includes the laws regarding fully automatic weapons and sound suppressors. This includes all limitations on ‘carry’...open or concealed. Even Supreme Court rulings in support of ANY kind of gun control legislation are a violation of the 2nd Amendment and therefore unconstitutional.

We must not fail this time to take any stand necessary and using any and all means to protect all aspects of the 2nd Amendment. We must not fail...failure makes us SLAVES, or puts us in mass graves. Stalin, Hitler, Mao have shown the Muzzie Usurper how it can be done. But we control this now, it is not up to the politicians...it us up to us!

Rant over...


28 posted on 01/15/2013 12:16:26 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
First they will make it against the law to utter politically incorrect speech, then they will make it against the law the speak out against the government, then your right against unreasonable search and seizure will go, along with your right to an attorney and a speedy trial.

Even already they are calling such thinking "hate speech" so they can put you in prison during the next phase of their takeover.

29 posted on 01/15/2013 12:18:12 PM PST by Rapscallion (Obama does not know how to respect the opinions of others and find common ground.)
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To: Perseverando; All
While I appreciate Mr. Massie's concern about our so-called 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, Mr. Massie, and undoubtedly other patiots, need to get up to speed on why the Founding States made the federal Constitution in the first place.

More specifically, the Founding States made the Constitution mainly to limit the powers of the federal government. And regarding our 1st and 2nd Amendment "rights," many patriots evidently don't understand that, since the states have never delegated to Congress or the Oval Office via the Constitution the specific powers to regulate our 1st and 2nd Amendment "rights," that Congress has no constitutional authority to regulate those rights, with or without those amendments.

In fact, note that James Madison, regarded as the father of both the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, had regarded the Bill of Rights as unnecessary since the states had never delegated to Congress the specific powers to regulate such issues.

Fortunately, a recent FR thread had referenced what I personally regard as the bible of our 2nd Amedment "rights," the Court's opinion in the 2A-related Cruikshank case. In a nutshell, the Court clarified in Cruikshank that 2A was intended only to clarify that Congress has no constitutionally delegated power to regulate the natural (my word) right to self-defence, particularly when citizens are defending themselves from the federal government.

"6. The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second Amendments means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress, and has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the National Government." --United States v. Cruikshank, 1875.

So as I've ranted in other threads, one of the reasons that Constitution-ignoring Obama has patriots under his thumb at this time is because patriots themselves evidently don't know important nuances about the Constitution, particularly the idea of constitutionally limited federal government powers.

30 posted on 01/15/2013 12:50:53 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10

If I understand your contention Kalifornia is precluded from tough gun laws ... but it is what it is

CODE OF CIVIL PROCEDURE SECTION 410.10

410.10. A court of this state may exercise jurisdiction on any basis not inconsistent with the Constitution of this state or of the
United States.


31 posted on 01/15/2013 3:33:19 PM PST by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: Perseverando
What is next is not much different then what happened in NAZI Germany, the government will round up conservatives who refused to be socializied in to the New World Order, this roundup will in fact include Jews in America too. As many in the re-educaton camps fail to conform all of their assects will be siezed and they will be taken out in to the desert.
32 posted on 01/15/2013 4:50:24 PM PST by stockpirate (Sen. John Kerry belonged to the terrorist group VVAW.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
Stalin, Hitler, Mao have shown the Muzzie Usurper how it can be done.

You forgot Wyatt Earp. :)

33 posted on 01/15/2013 6:50:22 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: alphadog; All
If I understand your contention Kalifornia is precluded from tough gun laws ... but it is what it is

Just wondering out loud, what part of my previous post are you referring to as a contention since I substantiated my "assertion" about gun rights with the Supreme Court's official clarification of the purpose of the 2nd Amendment?

Regarding your statement about Kalifornia, note that the BoR didn't originally apply to the states. And as evidenced by 2A's reference to militias, the states could regulate guns, although I don't know to what extent. But I think that in earlier days of the country that state lawmakers understood the necessity of guns for self defense.

On the other hand, John Bingham, the main author of Sec. 1 of the 14th Amendment, had ofificially clarified that 14A applies 2A to the states. See 2A in Bingham's official discussion of 14A.

Congressional Globe, House of Representatives, 42nd Congress, 1st Session

2A is mentioned in the middle column of the referenced page.

Interestingly, the way I read Sec. 5 of 14A is that it forces Congress to make laws which, in 2A-related issues, protect gun rights from being abridged by the states.

34 posted on 01/15/2013 7:39:32 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: itsahoot

Yes, I believe he did that in Tombstone...


35 posted on 01/16/2013 9:31:24 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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