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Did New York State Just Accidentally Outlaw ALL Firearms?
NY Times s2230 pdf ^ | January 15, 2013 | NY legisfools

Posted on 01/15/2013 8:17:18 PM PST by kiryandil

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To: kiryandil

No. The clause refers to firearms already in legal possession which are now subject to registration requirements. Those would be semi autos with two qualifiers and ten round mags or shotguns with carry handles that control the pump action. Failure to register becomes criminal possession. A trooper told me today the magazine restriction includes handguns. He said the US pistol team would not be allowed to compete in NY. He was disgusted by this law and said it would do nothing to make the state safer. He quickly agreed when I suggested that a 20 year old guy driving a Sonata with an upper speed capability in excess of 125mph is a far greater danger than a law abiding citizen with a Ruger mini 14 in his house.


51 posted on 01/15/2013 8:50:17 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: ctdonath2
What most don’t understand about NY gun laws is: normal rifles and shotguns are not “firearms”. I kid you not...

What are normal rifles and shotguns called instead? Long arms? Or simply rifles and shotguns?

52 posted on 01/15/2013 8:50:44 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Every time I drive through New York State, I make it a point to fill up my gas tank just before entering. And Glad I do, otherwise could not stand I’d be financially contributing this kind of constitutionally insulting legislation.
Can’t stand to have my own capital used against me.


53 posted on 01/15/2013 8:51:19 PM PST by inchworm
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To: Sarah Barracuda
Seeing that photo of Hitler..never in my wildest dreams did I think history would repeat itself it’s looking like it is..those who forget history are deemed to repeat it..seems too many people have forgotten the holocaust and need to be reminded what happens when a dictator takes power

The public schools(D) no longer teach history. They teach social(ism) studies.

54 posted on 01/15/2013 8:52:09 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: kiryandil

Accidentally - nope!


55 posted on 01/15/2013 8:52:28 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: ctdonath2
“Firearms” in NY are whatever is defined as regulated and restricted or banned, to wit handguns, assault weapons, short barreled rifles/shotguns, and machineguns.

And not including antique firearms.

56 posted on 01/15/2013 8:53:05 PM PST by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: kiryandil

No they did not because that would be a violation of the Constitution.


57 posted on 01/15/2013 8:53:05 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: freedumb2003

Hate to break it you man. The first picture is where all the people are. Pastoral scenery sure is pretty, but it doesn’t vote. The former can’t help but lead the latter because they outnumber them so vastly.


58 posted on 01/15/2013 8:53:49 PM PST by Melas (u)
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To: Cobra64

“The folks at kimber (Yonkers, NY) are in deep sh!t.”

So are the folks at Henry (Brooklyn, NY)


59 posted on 01/15/2013 8:54:08 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: tanknetter
Where’s the vaunted inferred Constitutional right to privacy??

Lost in the penumbra...

60 posted on 01/15/2013 8:55:28 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: kiryandil

57. Severability.

If any clause, sentence, paragraph, section or part of this act shall be adjudged by any court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid and after exhaustion of all further judicial review, the judgment shall not affect, impair or invalidate the remainder thereof, but shall be confined in its operation to the clause, sentence, paragraph, section or part of this act directly involved in the controversy in which the judgment shall have been rendered.


61 posted on 01/15/2013 8:55:33 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: kiryandil

the democrats have been ‘testing hte water’ for a number of years now by blatantly putting forth ‘bold’ proposals that they know the right will be upset about- and when the left saw that the right had NO BACKBONE, they went in al ittle deeper into hte water and hten a little deeper, until we now see them no longer testign hte water, but simply blatantly foisting unconstitutional crap on us knowing full well that NOONE will lift a figner to stop them

NY is all set to trample the cosntitutional right of all it’s citzens, not just hte citzens in large cities, but all aqcross the state now- knowign full well that noone iwll stand up to htem just as noone stood up to them when they outlawed guns in the larger cities- they tested hte water and founf out htat NOONE will EVER hold htem accoutnable for their unconstitutional actions- and when odarhma rammed through his hell-th care- cuomo knew the left no longer had any reason to fear the supreme court or the american people-

We are at a crossroad, and we’d all better practice wavign goodbye to hte freedoms we uised to know- because hte left has been let off it’s leash by the American people and they are free to do whatever the hell they want now-


62 posted on 01/15/2013 8:56:03 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: FoxInSocks
I should have read further -- an antique firearm is not merely old.

"Antique firearm" means: Any unloaded muzzle loading pistol or revolver with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system, or a pistol or revolver which uses fixed cartridges which are no longer available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.

63 posted on 01/15/2013 8:56:27 PM PST by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: kiryandil

Oh, was it an accident? Remember, Boy Cuomo talked about confiscation.


64 posted on 01/15/2013 8:56:34 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: kiryandil
Read the gun act of 1934 and it will be easer to understand before you go running from the room.
65 posted on 01/15/2013 8:57:32 PM PST by Domangart
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To: Sarah Barracuda

The trouble is when you try to explain the similarities between the 2 you get called a “Nut Job” or a “Racist Nutjob”.

So for Hitler it was Jewish people he hated and had killed
so who will it be this time old people, babies, rich people,
white people, Christians?


66 posted on 01/15/2013 8:59:40 PM PST by funfan
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To: tanknetter

[[makes it illegal to own a firearm AND not register it per the law]]

however, apparently it’s NOT illegal for cuomo or legislators to violate the citizen’s constitutional rights? He hjould be immediately thrown out of office for FAILURE to protect the peopel he was elected to protect- for violatign hteir constitutional rights- but NY’ers apaprently do NOT cafre that their rights have been violated-


67 posted on 01/15/2013 9:00:10 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: kiryandil

Hurts me to say it. I hate my state.


68 posted on 01/15/2013 9:00:14 PM PST by onona (KCCO, and mind the gap)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

“The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed the subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty.”
Adolph Hitler


69 posted on 01/15/2013 9:01:38 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: kiryandil

They’d better have Secretary of the Interior Not Sure review this language. This looks like cabinet level idiocy.


70 posted on 01/15/2013 9:01:47 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
Sarah Barracuda said: "Republicans and San Francisco usually don’t mix"

The "San Francisco" gun show is held at the Cow Palace which is actually located in Daly City, part of San Mateo County, not San Francisco County. Otherwise, I am sure that it would have been shut down by now.

The trip is about 70 miles each way for me.

71 posted on 01/15/2013 9:04:12 PM PST by William Tell
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To: Thorliveshere

[[My condolences, New York. Now, we’ll see a massive exodus of people, I bet.]]

Save your money, you’ll lose- I used to think NY’ers cared, and that they couldn’t possibly be stupid enough to keep electing officials who violagte hteir rights- and that they would most definately stand up for their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS- but WOW was I wrong-

NY’ers coudl put an immediate stop to this unconstitutional crap IF they so chose to by bandign together and REFUSING to pay any more state taxes to a governor who refuses to do his sworn duty- but I’m not holdign my breath thinking that NY’ers have spine enough to do so-

America- your turn is coming- You may think you’re safe because you live in a state that is very lax on gun laws right now, but the brash boldness and blatant disregard for hte constitution displayed in NY’’s bill will be coming to your towns soon- now that NY has gotten away with violating it’s citizen’s constitutional rights, it’s game over for hte rest of the coutnry too- oh there might be a few hold outs, but when the federal govwenrment begins withholdign federal dollars- you governors WILL cave in-


72 posted on 01/15/2013 9:05:03 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: kiryandil

Since Chuck Schumer owns a semi-automatic pistol with a detachable magazine is he now a felon?


73 posted on 01/15/2013 9:06:50 PM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: CottShop

And plenty of Republicans voted for the new NY gun law, which is truly amazing.


74 posted on 01/15/2013 9:07:10 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: kiryandil

Logic seems to be : (A+B)&C. All guns must be registered.


75 posted on 01/15/2013 9:08:32 PM PST by Mike Darancette (LIM=Low Information Media)
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To: TBP

Cuomo might need to watch his back. Just sayin’...


76 posted on 01/15/2013 9:10:43 PM PST by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: William Tell

Oh Ok my mistake..When they showed the gun show on Fox News they said “San Francisco” on top of the screen so I assumed it was located in San Francisco..knew something seemed fishy, San Francisco loving the 2nd Amendment, knew it didnt sound right


77 posted on 01/15/2013 9:14:20 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Hoodat
Hoodat, it is just amazing how well Rand/Rosenblum understood the tyranny called communism. My son has just read Atlas Shrugged for the third time, and had to remind me who Dr. Ferris was. That is clearly why Rand remains among the most vilified authors in US history by the progressive media. She mocked them with frighteningly accurate prescience. My son (18) noted that Dr. Ferris was the only one of Rand's characters who understood the nature of the war. Ferris decided that the producers couldn't win, and made his fortune attacking Rearden steel, while designing a weapon of some sort.

Sounds like Presidential Science Adviser John Holdren, who knows solar and wind are fairy tales, but has spent most of his forty years attacking nuclear power and arguing that the real solution is to eliminate four fifths of the population. It got Holdren a cushy office paid for by Theresa Kerry's dead conservative first husband, an enormous salary at the Kennedy Center, and a lovely home on Cape Cod. Holdren has rewarded the bag carriers with Solyndra funding, and twenty or thirty other boondoggles, most of which will quietly slip away under Chapter 11 while the investors will walk away, as Kaiser of Solyndra did, with hundreds of millions in clear profit. That was always the game, and anyone familiar with the technology knew it.

78 posted on 01/15/2013 9:14:53 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: onyx

We are seeing the second coming of Hitler..never imagined that would happen..Obama is following Hitler’s strategy to the letter..first they take the guns..next the Jews will end up in the ovens..its how Hitler started and how he finished


79 posted on 01/15/2013 9:15:48 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: ctdonath2

How is the average New York cop going to interpret this law?
Will they all be sat down and explained all the intricacies of the law?


80 posted on 01/15/2013 9:16:26 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: freeandfreezing

[[And plenty of Republicans voted for the new NY gun law, which is truly amazing.]]

Well that’s what I’m talking about- America is lost to socilaism- even our own party has sold it’s soul- The rights our forefathers fought and gave hteir lives for are no longer valid or a concern to Americans- As long as they git their gubmint money, they will give up all manner of morals and decency and rights- We’ve just all been witrness to the itnernal downfall of this once great nation-

I’ll never, as long as I libve, forget the itnerview with a black woman by a fox reporter asking her why she voted for oberma- she said somethign along the lines of “Because He’s goign to give us free money- I’m gonna git me osme of that mbsama money” and the reporter asked her where trhat money was goign to come from she responded ‘It’s just free”

Never as long as i live will I forget that interview- I knew right then that America had changed for hte worse- I knew right then that we went from a nation of doers to a nation of takers and that it was only a matter of time before we’d be right where we are today watchign governor cuomo AND the republicans voting on a bill that woudl strip it’s citizens of their constitutional rights-


81 posted on 01/15/2013 9:16:34 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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82 posted on 01/15/2013 9:17:40 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: kiryandil

Have one and not register it...that would be the crime..as I read it.


83 posted on 01/15/2013 9:17:40 PM PST by Ecliptic (.)
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To: kiryandil

People are not dumb enough to register their guns with the new state registry.

The long-gun registry worked so well in Canada it was finally abolished.

If no one complies, that’s a lot of people to arrest and lock up. For the cops, its not worth the hassle.

Especially when failure to register is a misdemeanor offense. And who is going to compel New York to voluntarily register? Andrew Cuomo? In his dreams!

It makes him look good but mark my words: it won’t get a single gun off the streets in New York in the future.


84 posted on 01/15/2013 9:20:09 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

[[Obama is following Hitler’s strategy to the letter]]

Obsamar- what abotu cuomo? Cuomo is twice as brazen as him and cuomo IS goign top run and most likely win in 2016 because he will make one promise after another making peopel think they will get all kinds of ‘free stuff’ fro m the gubmint- and even IF cuomo loses- he’ll lose to who? Yup- that’s right- Sellout Christie- but if cuomo does win- it’s goign to be VERY VERY bad for this nation- He’s already provign that he’s a brazen criminal who will ILLEGALLY violate our constitutional rights every chance he can- with htis bill in NY- he let america know he doesn’t give a #$#@@#$ what they think he’s goign to steam roll right over them- and he knows full well this kind of brazen tactics unbeleivably attracts voters-


85 posted on 01/15/2013 9:21:46 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: kiryandil

Let’s assume this was a s mistake for a moment. This is why do don’t write or pass laws on emotion.


86 posted on 01/15/2013 9:23:29 PM PST by matt04
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To: kiryandil

Ammunition magazines will be restricted to seven bullets, from the current 10, and current owners of higher-capacity magazines will have a year to sell them out of state. An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine will face a misdemeanor charge.


87 posted on 01/15/2013 9:23:57 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: CottShop

Probably best they don’t move. I don’t want a bunch of liberal whiny babies migrating to other states and sucking them dry there.


88 posted on 01/15/2013 9:24:34 PM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: kiryandil

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Gun-Control-Assault-Weapons-Ban-Magazines-Limit-Cuomo-NY-186794151.html


89 posted on 01/15/2013 9:26:36 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: goldstategop

[[Especially when failure to register is a misdemeanor offense.]]

Thaty’s the point- this new law gives the police antoehr source of income to STEAL from us- everytiem they find an unregistered gun- Kaching- money in the bank for them


90 posted on 01/15/2013 9:27:32 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: goldstategop
Especially when failure to register is a misdemeanor offense.

Not according to that snippet of statute ... in NY possession of an unregistered firearm (which goes hand-in-hand with failure to register) is now a Class E felony.

91 posted on 01/15/2013 9:29:29 PM PST by NonValueAdded (If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, you've likely misread the situation.)
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To: funfan

They have been killing unborn chillrun by the millions for 40 some odd years now.

Folks, we be the frog in the pot right now and we just found out the water is hotternhell.


92 posted on 01/15/2013 9:29:35 PM PST by biff (WAS)
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To: CottShop

Its already bad for this nation..the moment Obama was re-elected a part of this country died..Cuomo wants to be President..that is why he is doing this..its all about 2016 for him..depends what kind of country we have in 2016 if he stands a chance..but we might not have a country by the time 2016 comes around and if we do, we will probably be stuck with fat lard ass Chris Christie because the GOP will never learn it’s lesson


93 posted on 01/15/2013 9:30:47 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Obama, Cuomo (whom this article is actually about). I’m telling you, these demonic-rats are actually thugs and Communists or Marxists, whatever you want to call them. Wealthy elites. Union thugs are the same as Hitler’s SS. Voters with their hands out are the idiot dupes and they’ll turn on us just like the people turned on the Jews, which is why they must first disarm us!


94 posted on 01/15/2013 9:34:52 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Thorliveshere

I don’t think it will all be one way. I think criminals may like the new law.


95 posted on 01/15/2013 9:35:09 PM PST by aquila48
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To: tanknetter
[My interpretation is that it makes it illegal to own a firearm AND not register it per the law.]

You're correct. “. . .and knowingly fails to register such firearm. . .” I presume this encompasses any and all private firearms that are capable of firing.

My job put me in Massachusetts for two years in the 1980’s. The first time I drove into the state I passed a large official sign warning me that it was a felony to enter Mass with unregistered firearms.

Later I tried to buy a carton of bullets for a pistol I owned but never declared. The guy at the gun shop said he couldn't sell me ammo unless I produced a pistol permit. Later on I was building an office in a warehouse I leased. I went to rent a nail gun. The rental shop clerk said I needed a pistol permit to rent a nail gun.

I heard the gun laws in Mass loosened up a bit in the ‘90’s. It may have been that everybody was driving to Vermont and buying about anything they wanted. And Mass was losing the sales.

96 posted on 01/15/2013 9:40:12 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: CottShop
Kaching- money in the bank for them...

They will enforce it through things like minor traffic offenses. Mind if we look in the car? It's going to be a wild ride folks.
97 posted on 01/15/2013 9:43:28 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: kiryandil

Not accidently, no.


98 posted on 01/15/2013 9:46:52 PM PST by mykroar ("I'm afraid I can't use a mule. I have several hundred up on Capitol Hill." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: kiryandil

99 posted on 01/15/2013 9:50:07 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: philetus
An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine will face a misdemeanor charge.

That's an easy fix. A couple double taps on the magazine inspector's directon and you are down to 8.

100 posted on 01/15/2013 9:50:07 PM PST by llevrok (ObamaLand - Where young people go to retire)
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