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Time to Grow Up, GOP
Townhall.com ^ | January 16, 2013 | Jonah Goldberg

Posted on 01/16/2013 6:42:50 AM PST by Kaslin

It's hard for a lot of people, particularly on the right, to recognize that the conservative movement's problems are mostly problems of success. The Republican Party's problems are much more recognizable as the problems of failure, including the failure to recognize the limits of that movement's success.

American conservatism began as a kind of intellectual hobbyist's group with little hope of changing the broader society. Albert Jay Nock, the cape-wearing libertarian intellectual -- he called himself a "philosophical anarchist" -- who inspired a very young William F. Buckley Jr., argued that political change was impossible because the masses were rubes, goons, fools or sheep, victims of the eternal tendency of the powerful to exploit the powerless.

Buckley, who rightly admired Nock for many things, rightly disagreed on this point. Buckley trusted the people more than the intellectuals. Moreover, as Buckley's friend Richard Weaver said, "ideas have consequences" and, consequently, it is possible to rally the public to your cause.

It took time. In an age when conservative books make millions, it's hard to imagine how difficult it once was to get a right-of-center book published. Henry L. Regnery, the founder of the publishing house that bears his name, started his venture to break the wall of groupthink censorship surrounding the publishing industry. With a few exceptions, Regnery was the only game in town for decades.

That's hardly the case anymore. While there's a higher bar for conservative authors at mainstream publishers (which remain overwhelmingly liberal), profit tends to trump ideology.

And publishing is a lagging indicator. In cable news, think tanks, talk radio and, of course, the Internet, conservatives have at least rough parity with, and often superiority to, liberals. It's only in the legacy institutions -- newspapers, the broadcast networks and most especially academia and Hollywood -- where conservatism is still largely frozen out. Nonetheless, conservatism is a mass-market enterprise these days, for good and for ill.

The good is obvious. The ill is less understood. For starters, the movement has an unhealthy share of hucksters eager to make money from stirring rage, paranoia and an ill-defined sense of betrayal with little concern for the real political success that can only come with persuading the unconverted.

A conservative journalist or activist can now make a decent living while never once bothering to persuade a liberal. Telling people only what they want to hear has become a vocation. Worse, it's possible to be a rank-and-file conservative without once being exposed to a good liberal argument. Many liberals lived in such an ideological cocoon for decades, which is one reason conservatives won so many arguments early on. Having the right emulate that echo chamber helps no one.

Ironically, the institution in which conservatives had their greatest success is the one most besieged by conservatives today: the Republican Party. To listen to many grassroots conservatives, the GOP establishment is a cabal of weak-kneed sellouts who regularly light votive candles to a poster of liberal Republican icon Nelson Rockefeller.

This is not only not true, it's a destructive myth. The Rockefeller Republicans were purged from the GOP decades ago. Their high-water mark was in 1960, when the Goldwater insurgency was temporarily crushed. Richard Nixon agreed to run on a platform all but dictated by Rockefeller and to tap Rockefeller's minion Henry Cabot Lodge as his running mate. When the forebears of today's tea partiers threatened to stay home or bolt the party in 1960, Sen. Barry Goldwater proclaimed, "Let's grow up, conservatives!"

It's still good advice. It's not that the GOP isn't conservative enough, it's that it isn't tactically smart or persuasive enough to move the rest of the nation in a more conservative direction. Moreover, thanks in part to the myth that all that stands between conservatives and total victory is a philosophically pure GOP, party leaders suffer from a debilitating lack of trust -- some of it well earned -- from the rank and file.

But politics is about persuasion, and a party consumed by the need to prove its purity to its base is going to have a very hard time proving anything else to the rest of the country.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 01/16/2013 6:42:54 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Time to replace the GOP


2 posted on 01/16/2013 6:45:15 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Kaslin
Jonah's either half-right today or he's having it both ways.

Let me think about it.

3 posted on 01/16/2013 6:45:34 AM PST by OKSooner ("The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God's people. Amen." - Revelation 22:21)
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To: Kaslin

Not buying it.

The GOP is composed of a collection of limp-wristed do nothings whose shortcomings are exceeded only by the even more talentless “things” currently living in the cesspool called the democratic party.

I have withdrawn my membership from the GOP and will no longer give them any funds. Perhaps we have to enter the full stall and go into a spin for a while, but we’ve got no choice, given the lack of talent, ability, creativity and morality of both parties.

Hopefully, we can pull out of the soon to come spin before CW-II starts.


4 posted on 01/16/2013 6:50:24 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Kaslin

Jonah’s flat-out wrong here with respect to the GOP - the party has no use for conservatives, outside of demanding “tribute” in the way of votes and donations. If left to its own devices, the party would not make any push in favor of any significant conservative causes.

He’s right about the number of hucksters in the conservative orbit, though — I’d lump Hannity and the Huckster himself in this category, and Coulter has become more of a saleslady for the party than for conservatism.


5 posted on 01/16/2013 6:52:11 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: Kaslin

Jonah’s flat-out wrong here with respect to the GOP - the party has no use for conservatives, outside of demanding “tribute” in the way of votes and donations. If left to its own devices, the party would not make any push in favor of any significant conservative causes.

He’s right about the number of hucksters in the conservative orbit, though — I’d lump Hannity and the Huckster himself in this category, and Coulter has become more of a saleslady for the party than for conservatism.


6 posted on 01/16/2013 6:52:36 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: Kaslin
Jonah has a good point, but John Hawkins makes a good point that we don't trust Republicans to have our backs when they compromise. If Republicans had signed on to Boehner's "Plan B" because they felt it was a compromise that would be a strategic retreat to advance the ultimate agenda, we might have supported them.

But we (rightly, I think) believe they are just looking for anything that will keep them in power. Minority power is OK as long as they hold office. So we don't trust them to have the right goal, and we don't accept their compromise.

I'll grow up, Jonah, when I'm certain I'm playing with adults.

7 posted on 01/16/2013 6:53:55 AM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: Kaslin

The GOP and conservatives especially don’t really have a future and this is why.

WHITE VOTE IN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS

2012: 72% of electorate, Romney 59, Obama 39

2008: 74% of electorate, McCain 55, Obama 43

2004: 77% of electorate, Bush 58, Kerry 41

2000: 81% of electorate, Bush 55, Gore 42

1996: 83% of electorate, Dole 46, Clinton 44 (Perot 9)

1992: 87% of electorate, Bush 41, Clinton 39 (Perot 21)

1988: 85% of electorate, Bush 60, Dukakis 40

1984: 86% of electorate, Reagan 66, Mondale 34

1980: 88% of electorate, Reagan 56, Carter 36 (Anderson 8)

1976: 89% of electorate, Ford 52, Carter 48

AVERAGE DEMOCRATIC WHITE VOTE SHARE: 40.6%


8 posted on 01/16/2013 6:54:10 AM PST by Silver Sabre
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To: Kaslin
The Rockefeller Republicans were purged from the GOP decades ago.

Sorry, Jonah. You may have missed it, but the party just ran a Progressive Democrat for President and dragged the party to the electoral depths in the process.

He was enabled in this process by a party leadership and apparatus determined to choke off conservative opposition. The Speaker of the House threatened conservative members with, in essence, desertion by the national party for daring to commit the sin of representing their constituents.

Republican leadership is a weak-kneed, vacillating mass of moderation and 'compromise', deliberately out of touch with the populist wave that catapulted it into national influence.

Rockefeller Republicans have not been purged from the Republican Party. In essence, they ARE the Republican Party.

9 posted on 01/16/2013 6:56:02 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kaslin

Jonah Goldberg is yet another example of nepotism destroying conservatism.


10 posted on 01/16/2013 6:56:59 AM PST by peyton randolph (FUBO and his wookie beard)
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To: Kaslin
Been in the Fox News “Green Room” too often.

The Fox News Green Room is a generator of RINO isotopes that weaken the will and corrode faith in conservative principles...

...nah, just more money in being a GOP-e sellout and JG ain't selling as many books as before...freekin' hypocrite.

11 posted on 01/16/2013 6:58:34 AM PST by Happy Rain ("Banning guns over Adam Lanza would be like banning speech over Bill Maher.")
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To: Kaslin

and this is the money line...

The good is obvious. The ill is less understood. For starters, the movement has an unhealthy share of hucksters eager to make money from stirring rage, paranoia and an ill-defined sense of betrayal with little concern for the real political success that can only come with persuading the unconverted.

my case in point is the fubocare ruling...

while fubocare sucks, and i detest it, this ruling was a victory for constitution minded people everywhere, if it was just read and examined..

the talking heads on the radio proclaimed that we were betrayed, and that we lost, that the people who are actually helping fight off the libs are traitors..

I believe this attitude in turn spawned a feeling of hopelessness and helplessness, and that people decided that going to the polls would do nothing to help, so they decided to just stay home...

Now, if the talking heads had stated this law sucks, but went on to reveal the bars of gold hidden in this ruling, the people would instead have realized that the good fight is being fought, that we have people who are dedicated to returning to constitutionalism, and that sometimes you need to take a step back in order to go forward, the masses may have turned out to vote, and we just may have been able to overturn fubocare, keeping the bars of gold in the ruling intact..

but, the talking heads have ratings to uphold, and they mean far more than the advancement of conservative principals....

you have been betrayed, not by roberts, but by the talking heads who are indeed entertainers first, republicans second, and everything else follows....


12 posted on 01/16/2013 7:01:40 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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Boehner and McConnell are pathetic.


13 posted on 01/16/2013 7:01:40 AM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

RINORomney and all his little RINOs were and have been attacking any and all Conservatives in the party since the MIDDLE of McCain’s run in ‘08!
Purgeing Conservatives is an ineffective strategy, you see.
THAT’s why the (spit)GOP loses.
Again, and again, you see.
Ask for $$$$$—then, please PLEASE just go awwaaaay.
In ‘12, Conservatives did.
Hence—the result.
Happy now, RINOs???


14 posted on 01/16/2013 7:03:58 AM PST by Flintlock (PARANOIA--means having all the facts.)
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To: Kaslin
To me, the GOP fails to get the basic message of conservative economics across to the public. Simply stated, the message is: A rising tide lifts all boats. Rather than the divisive Democrat message of "He gets 50% of the economic pie and I only get 10%, so gov't should take some of his away and give it to me", why not stress that if you get 10% of the economic pie but the pie doubles in size, don't you have twice as much now than you did before? The Dems use the class warfare idea, while the GOP's best response has been to yell "Oh yeah!" and no follow up. The GOP needs to figure out a way to tell the general public that success in business is good for everyone, including the gov't. Have any of you been hired by a poor person? I think the GOP needs to reframe the message that success for one is good for all.
15 posted on 01/16/2013 7:03:58 AM PST by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: Kaslin

Jonah needs to get a major clue. In the House of Representatives, where Conservatives are hanging on by their fingernails, you can count on the fingers of both hands the number of Reps that have the balls to do what needs to be done.

The national GOP is next to worthless. They didn’t stand up on Bengahzi, they didn’t stand up on the fiscal cliff and it looks like they won’t stand up on the debt limit. What else is there? Worthless SOBs.

I’m sure the GOP doesn’t like hearing that kind of talk. Too bad they won’t be honest. Even with themselves.

The GOP is begging us to replace them.


16 posted on 01/16/2013 7:06:26 AM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Kaslin

Jonah is just another blind insider. The country would be vastly better off if Washington D.C. and it’s destructive legislation disappeared.


17 posted on 01/16/2013 7:07:46 AM PST by Third Person (I'm in my prime.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

I’m lucky to have one of those congressman I agree with more than I disagree. (by a wide margin).

I’ve got plenty of complaints about the GOP-e but only one for some conservatives. My only complaint with conservatives is the attitude that 1 vote we disagree with makes a congressman a traitor to conservatism. Michele Bachmann voted in favor of ethanol subsidies as a freshman but that hardly puts her in the same category as a Fred Upton or John Boehner.

My rule of thumb is that if I agree with any politician 100% of the time, one of us is lying.


18 posted on 01/16/2013 7:08:24 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
It's still good advice. It's not that the GOP isn't conservative enough, it's that it isn't tactically smart or persuasive enough to move the rest of the nation in a more conservative direction.

I've read some really dumb lines since the election, and the one above has got to be in the top 5.

Using Romney as an example, Romney's problem, we're being told here, wasn't that he was a pro-gay, squishi life, big government, gun grabbing, Benghazi overlooking, conflict avoiding liberal. This says his problem was that he couldn't persuade the rest of the nation.

Horse hockey....he couldn't persuade conservatives.

And what was he trying to persuade the nation of....that a Massachusetts liberal is far better than a Kenyan liberal???

19 posted on 01/16/2013 7:10:12 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: peyton randolph

Jonah beclowns himself....he just another tool for the lobby.


20 posted on 01/16/2013 7:12:03 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: cripplecreek
My rule of thumb is that if I agree with any politician 100% of the time, one of us is lying.

Good axiom. No two people are going to agree on every single thing, since we're all different.

However, the core principles of conservatism shouldn't be up for debate within the party claiming to represent conservatism. Today's Republican Party can't even spell the word.

21 posted on 01/16/2013 7:14:58 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: xzins
I've read some really dumb lines since the election, and the one above has got to be in the top 5.

It's sad when the lines are so dumb they're rankable, isn't it?

22 posted on 01/16/2013 7:16:01 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: xzins
Most conservatives realized that Romney wasn't like the Kenyan monster, and they came out an voted to get rid of the monster.

It was those who decided to be purists, those who had this dumb Axelrodian fixation that Romney was as bad as the worst, most radical, most divisive, most anti-American, anti-capitalist, pro-Marxist, pro-Muzzie administration ever; they were the ones (the 2% idiots) that reelected Bambi by staying home, and they are the ones that will forever be to blame with each new weekly travesty the Kenyan performs to destroy America.

Do you like the new gun control laws this man is about to force on America by executive order? Look in the mirror..... Don't kid yourself, it was the idiot Axelrod driven purists that gave us what we have.

23 posted on 01/16/2013 7:22:22 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

However, the core principles of conservatism shouldn’t be up for debate within the party claiming to represent conservatism. Today’s Republican Party can’t even spell the word.


The beltway GOPs near total silence on gun control is very telling. At this time they are only out for personal gain and to take care of campaign contributors. We The People and our constitutional rights are nothing to them. The GOP elites feel we are not worth fighting for apparently.


24 posted on 01/16/2013 7:24:56 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Colonel_Flagg
We've got 4 more years of a manipulative, open commie sitting in our president's chair because the GOP wanted to appear “moderate” to get the “moderates”.

I'd far rather have gone down fighting to the bitter end with a Perry, BAchman, Cain, Santorum, or Gingrich (Palin?), than suffered through the embarrassment of that non-campaign by mittens the mild.

I get angry every time I think about that clown NOT engaging on Benghazi. There wasn't a thing in those damning investigative reports that wasn't known within about a week of Benghazi Burning.

Mr Timid apparently has been on a conflict deferment since the Vietnam era.

25 posted on 01/16/2013 7:27:05 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Kaslin
The GOP is a centralized bureauocracy and as such is subject to Pournelle's Iron Law: "in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people: those who work to further the actual goals of the organization, and those who work for the organization itself...in all cases, the second type of person will always gain control of the organization, and will always write the rules under which the organization functions."

In other words, the GOP exists today to ensure the GOPs continued existance tomorrow. To that end they would gladly sell their souls. Or throw their conservative constituents under the bus.

We've gotten about as far as we can with politics and politicians.

26 posted on 01/16/2013 7:27:41 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Lakeshark

See #25


27 posted on 01/16/2013 7:29:35 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

I believe the GOP needs to be at least 85% conservative leaning as a whole which means we need a hell of a lot more 95% + individual conservatives.


28 posted on 01/16/2013 7:30:22 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kaslin
This is not only not true, it's a destructive myth.

Don't let all the defeats, surrenders and sell outs fool you.

29 posted on 01/16/2013 7:39:56 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Lakeshark

Do you like the new gun control laws this man is about to force on America by executive order? Look in the mirror..... Don’t kid yourself, it was the idiot Axelrod driven purists that gave us what we have.


Why are you trying to fight the last battle? I voted for Romney. He lost. Get over it.

Romney, his pathetic GOTV plan or whoever stayed home does not give Boehner/McConnell and the rest of the beltway GOP a free get out of jail card. It is no longer good enough just be not a democrat. These GOP men and women were elected to represent us and provide credible opposition to Obama.

When I googled “Boehner” and “gun control” yesterday the hits I got were from LAST MONTH.

Do you find that acceptable?

Is it conservatives fault that these beltway guys have no stomach to do heavy lifting and fight for our constitutional rights?

The beltway GOP are failing miserably in every political skirmish and could not lead a troop of scouts. Stop blaming conservatives for their failures.


30 posted on 01/16/2013 7:40:27 AM PST by lodi90
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To: xzins
We've got a lot more than four more years of manipulative, openly collectivist misrule in front of us. Minus a hard reset the souless scions of the Left will rule us until there is nothing left to rule.

Fortunately for us a hard reset within the next decade is likely. Unfortunately whatever it is it will bring suffering like no living American has ever experienced. But it is what we have asked for by elevating spoiled children to rule over us.

31 posted on 01/16/2013 7:41:20 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: OKSooner

Hi, there, Sooner!

We have been so badly burned by the GOPE, and we have discover American voters can be bought by a sugar daddy, made into a majority electorate, that it is painful to entertain some intellectual posit that it is we conservatives, the base, who are conceivably cramping the style of the Republican brand with our rigidity.

I just don’t understand why the Constitution is barely give a hat tip, public schools are camps for Marxist curriculum, the tiny union behaves like thugs that they are, Hollywood despises Americans but loves America so much they want us to equally distribute poverty and opportunity. No one must excel on merit or in prosperity.

I can’t change on those counts, but apparently we’re going to anway, against my wishes. ;,/


32 posted on 01/16/2013 7:41:34 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: xzins
I saw (and met) Breitbart 3 weeks before he died.

It was when Newt was ascending, and looked like the nominee. The group assembled was from all wings of the right, each one had their pet candidate, and was shilling for them.

He looked at everyone there (this was waaaaay before Romney won, no way anyone thought he would win back then), and said to work like Hell for the candidate you want now, but whoever wins, whoever wins, you have to coalesce around that candidate because: If you don't, you will be responsible for allowing the most monstrous, anti-everything you claim to love administration ever to have another term effectively destroying America.

I understood immediately that he was right. I was for Newt (after Palin didn't run), and would have accepted heartily the ones you mention, even though I didn't think they were as good as Newt. Romney was barely my second to last choice behind Ron Paul.

Now that the 2% have gotten what they want, Breitbart was correct, they are responsible for each week's travesty the monster will do. Anyone who actually believed the Axelrodian invention that Romney was as bad as the Kenyan and stayed home or voted third party as a result, they're the ones at fault for each new disaster.

Sorry, it's simply true.

33 posted on 01/16/2013 7:41:49 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: kevkrom
"Jonah’s flat-out wrong here with respect to the GOP - the party has no use for conservatives, outside of demanding “tribute” in the way of votes and donations.

I agree, for conservatives, the GOP is a ruined brand.

Time for a new party.

34 posted on 01/16/2013 7:46:16 AM PST by jpsb (USMC vet)
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To: lodi90
When legislation actually passes that is detrimental we'll talk, for now it's going to be done through executive orders that the monster will put in place.

Pointing out how the Axelrodian purists reelected the monster is hardly fighting the last battle........

35 posted on 01/16/2013 7:48:13 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Lakeshark

Saying the 2% lost the election is the same as saying that Romney failed at reaching out to the 2%.

It is evident now that the numbers of voters were down across the board. It’s also evident that Romney maxed out on those who did go to vote. He did NOT get blacks, Hispanics, the “he doesn’t care about me” vote.

So, all his efforts to win liberals & moderates were to no avail. They figured, “Why vote for lite when you can have the real thing?”

In sum, Romney lost because he refused to reach out to conservatives. Instead he made stupid remarks about gay couples adopting, about health of the mother abortions, about bi-partisan gun legislation being the kind he likes. He refused to engage over Benghazi, Fast and Furious, and the Arab Spring.

He lost enough conservatives in doing so that suggests he could have won if he’d simply backtracked and reached out.

Given Romney’s past comments on guns, I’ve no doubt he’d be leading the charge at Sandy Hook to ban guns. It’s just the kind of squish that he was.


36 posted on 01/16/2013 7:53:12 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Lakeshark

Key thinking there, for sure! We shall unlock no doors but with a single key! Not five.

Without a drop dead date ESTABLISHED in ADVANCE for coalescing, we cannibalize our candidates ourselves.


37 posted on 01/16/2013 7:54:11 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: xzins
I'd far rather have gone down fighting to the bitter end with a Perry, BAchman, Cain, Santorum, or Gingrich (Palin?), than suffered through the embarrassment of that non-campaign by mittens the mild.

This, Chaplain. Well said.

And you know, in the final analysis, it wouldn't really have mattered to me in which order those names you listed might have appeared. I was never a Gingrich fan during the primaries (and am even less so now) but had he prevailed he'd have been a much better option.

The wagon-circling by the establishment (and yes, Jonah, you are part of the Republican Establishment) is telling.

38 posted on 01/16/2013 8:02:24 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Silver Sabre

Yep. Demographics is destiny.


39 posted on 01/16/2013 8:04:46 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Kaslin
...the GOP establishment is a cabal of weak-kneed sellouts who regularly light votive candles to a poster of liberal Republican icon Nelson Rockefeller Mitt Romney.

Fixed.

40 posted on 01/16/2013 8:07:51 AM PST by EternalVigilance (It's amazing how expensive "free" can be.)
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To: econjack

Good post. The GOP constantly screams about spending cuts and they don’t work unless your goal is to go into recession and making the deficit problem worse.. The only economic solution to our debt problem is economic growth. Period. Obama has instituted so many regulation that are crushing economic growth that we will never be able to get out of this mess if nothing changes. The GOP message needs to be to educate the public on pro-growth policies. Just slashing spending will never work.


41 posted on 01/16/2013 8:09:25 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: xzins
Sorry, those that took their ball and went home, the ones Breitbart warned, who should have listened but were to arrogant to try, they lost the election (and the country), they gave the Marxist his reelection. They were the ones who listened to the Axelrod proclamations that the two candidates were the same.

It's unfortunate that they won't be the only ones who will have to deal with his monstrosity of the week, all of us will suffer greatly for their stupidity.

42 posted on 01/16/2013 8:13:29 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Kaslin

Jonah is absolutely full of it. I’ve read Before the Storm, about the 1960 campaign, and right now I’m reading The Crusader, a bio of Pat Buchanan and his runs for the presidency. Both books fully and clearly establish the weak, cowardly moderation that infects the GOP. They document the inescapable fact that Republicans are deeply embarrassed by and ashamed of true conservatives. It’s always been this way.

Rush said it a while back.....the Republican party has always contained conservatives, but it has never BEEN a conservative party.


43 posted on 01/16/2013 8:15:25 AM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: Lakeshark; Colonel_Flagg

Romney is the one with the ball, Lake. HE’S the one who took the ball and went home with it. It’s up in Connecticut or Massachusetts or Michigan or Utah...whichever one is actually home to him.

Romney refused to play with the conservatives.

You can’t blame a couple million anonymous, little name people when ONE GUY could have changed everything by simply shutting up on some things, reaching out on others, and going on the attack on foreign affairs.

There weren’t 3 million little balls. There was ONE BALL.

And Romney was the candidate, so Romney had the ball.


44 posted on 01/16/2013 8:22:42 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

The only economic solution to our debt problem is economic growth. Period. Obama has instituted so many regulation that are crushing economic growth that we will never be able to get out of this mess if nothing changes.


It is only going to get worse. The obama indirect tax plan seems to be to push the costs of socialist government on to businesses. They will then have to raise their prices, cut employees, etc.

That will devastate the economy and spending power of consumers. The dims will try to claim they didn’t raise taxes on the “middle class”. It’s a truly viscous cycle we are entering.


45 posted on 01/16/2013 8:23:43 AM PST by lodi90
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To: jboot

A depression might cause Americans to turn back to their God.

That would be the best that could possibly happen.


46 posted on 01/16/2013 8:26:07 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: lodi90

The left is all aglow with the Krugman piece last week stating that “the deficit problem is over” because it will “come down naturally over the next few years as a percent of GDP.” So i asked one of the, on Twitter what the implied GDP growth rate was in those projections. The CBO is assuming AVERAGE growth of 4.7 percent from 2014 - 2020. Absolute joke growth rates. We haven’t seen a period like that in ages.


47 posted on 01/16/2013 8:32:21 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Kaslin
argued that political change was impossible because the masses were rubes, goons, fools or sheep, victims of the eternal tendency of the powerful to exploit the powerless.

Political change IS underway through a 4+ decade barrage and infestation by New Left Democrats who openly have a hard on for Communist dictatorships. The media, academia, and DNC stinks of their rhetoric.

It became "a scandal" to call out Communists at some point in this country. Those who say it is scandalous are among the red dupes who are blind to the problems of Socialist Utopian visions. As if the rhetoric and "lists" regarding gun owners is somehow more "well intentioned" than the outing of traitors in the State Department in coordination with the Soviet Union.

48 posted on 01/16/2013 8:32:34 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: xzins

And Romney was the candidate, so Romney had the ball.


Exactly. It’s not difficult. Romney lost because he BUNGLED THE CAMPAIGN. He knew what to do. He whipped the kenyan in the first debate. He whipped the MSM at the Jacksonville press conference. He CHOSE not to do that more often. He CHOSE not to fight back against the outrageous smears in critical places like OH, etc., etc.

The loss is all on Romney and his campaign. It shouldn’t have even been close. I find it silly to blame his errors and subsequent election loss on those who didn’t vote.


49 posted on 01/16/2013 8:35:59 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Kaslin
Worse, it's possible to be a rank-and-file conservative without once being exposed to a good liberal argument.

I have yet to hear a "good liberal argument".

They have no qualms about lying (how many phony anecdotal friends do the Democrats bring up, like the "racist" hunter who supports gun control?). Any "outrage" they have over "war crimes" disappears when the president has a D after his name.

I saw a book in the 1990s that "solved" 10 controversial issues. Among them were abortion/overpopulation/teen pregnancy. The theorist said first that the issue over whether abortion kills a living thing needs to be set aside. After that, the issue is "resolved" because abortion is used on demand. THAT is a "good liberal argument"?

Not one liberal who said it is "wrong" for Warren Buffett's secretary to "pay more taxes" than he does bothered to discuss how he owes a billion dollars in back taxes. So much for an honest discussion.

50 posted on 01/16/2013 8:46:20 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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