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French ground troops engage rebels in central Mali
France 24 ^ | 16/01/2013 | Joseph Bamat

Posted on 01/16/2013 7:45:28 AM PST by Freeport

French soldiers began direct combat with Mali-based Islamists in the central town of Diabaly on Wednesday, according to security sources, while President François Hollande said the war effort was “necessary and legitimate” in a speech in Paris.

French special forces began fighting on the ground with Islamist rebels in central Mali on Wednesday, according to regional security sources, six days after the European power launched an air offensive in the country.

“The special forces are currently in Diabaly, engaged in fighting with the Islamists. The Malian army is also on site,” the AFP news agency quoted a Malian security source as saying.

French troops closed in on Islamist-controlled areas earlier on Wednesday, in the first stage of a ground offensive that President François Hollande called “both necessary and legitimate” and Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian warned would be “long”.

(Excerpt) Read more at france24.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: france; mali; malimap; maliwar; war
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1 posted on 01/16/2013 7:45:35 AM PST by Freeport
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To: Freeport

Has France surrendered to the rebels yet....


2 posted on 01/16/2013 7:46:40 AM PST by apillar
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To: apillar

Unlike the French Army, The French Foreign Legion are ruthless bad-ass MoFo’s... No, they will kill everything and anything that moves that is designated as a target.

The last numbers I saw was a 10:1 kill ratio... I’ll pass on messing with the FFL.


3 posted on 01/16/2013 7:50:27 AM PST by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: Freeport

If they want to win this war they will need to kill each and every one of the islamist terrorists.

And if they have no intention of winning they have no business going in there.


4 posted on 01/16/2013 7:54:11 AM PST by DManA
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To: Freeport
Since panetta said we would only be supporting intelligence gathering, the FFL should be on full alert. panetta works for the other side.
5 posted on 01/16/2013 7:55:51 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Freeport

Unless troops from Algeria, Mauritania, Niger and Burkina Faso form an anvil; the work being done by the French will be in vain. They’ll fade and resurface in a year.


6 posted on 01/16/2013 7:56:16 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: apillar

Mais oui. Zee white flags. Zay shall be issued before too long. Inspector Closeau is expected to speak shortly. Kato? Kato? Is zat you?


7 posted on 01/16/2013 7:56:38 AM PST by rktman (Live the oath you took or get out of office!)
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To: Freeport

My guess would be that the French took their artillery with them, and ROE (if any) allows the troops to use it.


8 posted on 01/16/2013 7:57:35 AM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: Freeport

I have read no report that suggests the FFL has been deployed here.


9 posted on 01/16/2013 7:59:13 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: apillar
Has France surrendered to the rebels yet....

We're talking about the Foreign Legion here... a whole different ballgame.

10 posted on 01/16/2013 8:01:42 AM PST by ScottinVA (More dizzying than a Tilt-a-Whirl is an around-a-circle argument with a liberal about gun control.)
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To: Freeport

Just more Islamist Freedom Fighters.


11 posted on 01/16/2013 8:02:52 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: apillar

Look, the French government can be annoying, but the “surrender” jokes are both ill-informed, and old and tiresome after a while.

I suggest you read “The Price of Glory: Verdun 1916” by Sir Alistair Howe and then see if you feel like mocking French troops. They spent 10 months successfully defending one city in the most horrific conditions imaginable, suffering over 500,000 casualties.

Also the last Pew Poll found that France was very high on the list of countries that most liked the United States and Americans, which confirms what I’ve heard from a lot of people, that the US is very popular with average Frenchmen once you get outside of Paris.


12 posted on 01/16/2013 8:03:27 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: 1rudeboy

the rumor is France sent the moslem men, who were in France, ages 18 - 28 and dressed ‘em up like the FFL


13 posted on 01/16/2013 8:05:01 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Strategerist
I'm strangely annoyed by the assumption that the French military = the French Foreign Legion.

Those guys must be the baddest asses on the Planet if they are responsible for every French military success since WWI!

14 posted on 01/16/2013 8:13:29 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: no-to-illegals

no-to-illegals ~:” Since panetta said we would only be supporting intelligence gathering, the FFL should be on full alert. panetta works for the other side. “

panetta is on the other side ~ sure enough !
We arm the Mexican Cartels
We arm and fund the Islamacist armies
We disarm our own citizens

Go figure !!


15 posted on 01/16/2013 8:14:49 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt (Pay attention - the inmates ARE running the asylum!)
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To: Freeport
The last numbers I saw was a 10:1 kill ratio. I’ll pass on messing with the FFL.
Just who have they fought?
I look at the Wikipedia page for the FFL and the only battle I recognize is the Battle of Dien Bien Phu.
That didn't turn out so well.
16 posted on 01/16/2013 8:19:07 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: apillar

You won’t see that happen.


17 posted on 01/16/2013 8:19:29 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: Freeport

The French are actually good at this game. They are a tad on the ruthless side.


18 posted on 01/16/2013 8:22:55 AM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: 1rudeboy

It was discussed in the WSJ this morning, and at least some of them are FFL.


19 posted on 01/16/2013 8:25:08 AM PST by livius
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To: Paladin2
Just more Islamist Freedom Fighters.

yep, France is not playing stupid on this one.
Go France! Make the one, zer0, obozo (whatever)
upset and angry. Go Get 'em, France.
My compliments to France, doing the job America
did not do. Beating back the zer0
one nation at a time.

20 posted on 01/16/2013 8:27:03 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Strategerist

Well put. The French Army held the Germans in largely static positions in a band about 60 miles wide in the east for most of WWI. The French lost about 1.3 million soldiers about 4% of their population, while the British lost about 800k, around 2% of theirs. The Russians lost around 2 million which was about 2% for them.

Yet, to hear of WWI you would think it was the British who nearly fought it alone. They all went home, wrote the Hobbit series, wrote Flanders Fields poems, etc ad nauseum. Propaganda is a wonderous thing.
It was bad for everyone there, but the French fought hard.

And as for WWII, they lost something like 350k dead and wounded and caused the Germans something like 150k in a battle lasting a matter of weeks. But the Luftwaffe and Nazi tanks had bested them. The French build amazing defenses along the German border, and the British were going to hold the northern flank.
But thats where the wily Germans attacked. And the British Tea Drinking surrender monkeys ran away, wishing the French good luck. Oop, i meant “conducted the brilliant and miraculous reverse amphibious assault at Dunkirk”.

Even in the war on Terror, the French fleet has been far more aggressive than us. I think for some reason they do not have our historic aversion to shooting at Africans. An American land attack in Africa would send us into catatonic shock and our guilt would overcome us.

France is weird. At home they are socialist nutballs, but overseas they could care less how they are seen. Like sinking the Rainbow warrior. Doing atmospheric nuke testing in the 90s. (and we even TOLD them they shouldnt!) They flipped us the bird and pushed the button.

Anyway, thats my rant of the day. BUt im thinking with our pussy generals giving Salami salami baloney greetings on Afghan TV, and forbidding our troops from insulting pedophiles or the Taliban, and our deathly fear of bombing pirate bases or doing ANYTHING that might anger moslems, we are the last people who should be insulting anyones will to fight decisively. Hell, we cant even shave major Hassans damned beard.


21 posted on 01/16/2013 8:42:31 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Both CBS and WSJ now reporting that FFL have arrived on the ground in Mali. I saw a live report in which the “burning hand grenade” patch was visible on packs and uniforms of several troops. Over 2500 French troops now on the ground. Many more to follow. Things will get nasty very quickly...


22 posted on 01/16/2013 8:43:11 AM PST by donozark (Kim Kardashian had her baby. Triplets! She named them Wilson, Spaulding and Rawlings.)
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To: 1010RD
That's true - though maybe the French just want to control Mali's gold production for a decade (just until they've paid Germany what they own). They might be able to do that with a cordon sanitaire.. No need to control every village.
23 posted on 01/16/2013 8:44:00 AM PST by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: Freeport

This war is basically the Tuareg tribesmen looking for an autonamous zone, just happens to be sitting on some mineral wealth at the time a French Socialist idiot president needs a distraction.


24 posted on 01/16/2013 8:45:07 AM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: DesertRhino

Well that was retarded. Not characteristic of your posts at all.

The French position became untenable after the massive German breakthrough at Sedan. I’m not blaming them - the Blitzkrieg was a new kind of war for which no-one was prepared. They recalled the unpopular but plausibly effective Weygand too late to make a difference.

But please explain to the thread why should England should NOT have leveraged its sea-power to get its army off the Continent?

Was Dunkirk a strategic point which had to be denied to Hitler at all costs? No.

Was Dunkirk a suitable theater for die-hard obstinacy like Stalingrad? Should the UK parliament have told it’s soldiers to die-in-place the same way Hitler commanded von Paulus? Again, obviously no.

Make your point. Why should Britain have fought an untenable position in France - which even the French government could see was lost?


25 posted on 01/16/2013 9:02:12 AM PST by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: agere_contra

I think the point is that it was French troops that defended the Dunkirk perimeter against the Germans. The British didn’t inform their French allies that they were pulling out, and pretty much abandoned most of the French forces.


26 posted on 01/16/2013 9:30:26 AM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: Freeport

I did some training with French Commandos and same opinion....they’re no pushover....


27 posted on 01/16/2013 11:15:18 AM PST by sandboxshooter (Iraq, Afghanistan, War)
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To: agere_contra

You miss the point. When the Germans made the deep breakthrough, the British forces and some French were all to the north of the penetration.
The south side was all French. The British fled the battlefield.
Of course the British were as unable to deal with the new concept of Blitzkrieg warfare, as were the French. So running away rather than repeat WWI (which was impossible anyway) was probably the best option. Yet Britain is always rational and intelligent, and are never called tea drinking surrender monkeys with no will to fight.

After the British fled, the remaining French who counted on them to fight too were totally screwed. The French forces were basically encircled and cut off. the French government surrendered.
So my point was that it’s actually retarded to hear so much popular BS jokes about the French surrender, while the British were pulling their “Brave Sir Robin” act and fleeing from the enemy. And losing 350k in a 6 week battle is not exactly being eager to surrender.

It’s just facts.
The French in WWII were victims of a poor strategic plan by their generals and leaders, and on counting on England to stay and fight alongside them.
But the French soldier has been slandered beyond belief in modern culture. Their leaders have deserved scorn on several occasions. But their soldiers are first rate, and pretty much always have been.
For every British Rourkes Drift, there was a French Battle of Cameron. Incidents of the French having no will to fight are about the same as in the British, American, German, and Russian armies.
WHen it happens anywhere, it is always clearly the fault of bad generals and political leaders. But it’s just highly ignorant to suggest that the French soldier doesn’t fight very professionally.

And the French learned their lesson. They are in NATO, but do not base NATO troops on their soil. Their nuclear forces are utterly independent of the NATO command structure. They have learned to count on no one but the French forces for military defense.

And yes, they are hard to understand. ALmost no country has more moslems than they do, but they outlaw hijabs in public and attack moslems in Mali. And it creates no unrest at home. They can be heavily anti-semetic ,,, but sold Mirages to Israel.

They are hard to understand sometimes, but not a bad people. And certainly not cowards.


28 posted on 01/16/2013 11:45:47 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: 1010RD

The Islamic radicals have alienated the local people and the Tureg Tribesmen. Without popular support the Islamic groups will have a hard time holding off a modern European Army—Especially if the French are real bast*rds and don’t give a fig about civilian deaths. That being said—the French will need to send in more troops—maybe get some help from Germany and England as well. While they are at it they should put in a decent puppet in the nation to run it like a modern state.


29 posted on 01/16/2013 12:31:19 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

There are few post-colonial nations in Africa that are models of anything but tribalism and savagery. If the Tuareg join with the French in expelling the Muslims, perhaps Mali will be partitioned. Who would want a big desert?


30 posted on 01/16/2013 2:34:23 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

.....Who would want a big desert?
.......

There are mining operations there. I visited a company Monday shipping spare parts to a Mali mine. That means East Tennessee jobs


31 posted on 01/16/2013 2:49:08 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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