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Self/President | 1/16/2013

Posted on 01/16/2013 10:39:46 AM PST by My Favorite Headache

I had to come on to FR and post the following discussion that just took place at lunch that I had with a law enforcement agent that I am currently working with and a general practitioner who happen to be dining at a booth next to ours.

The television was on as the President was giving his speech about his 23 executive orders. When the discussion arrived about mental health and giving up personal information under the HIPPA act.

The physician stated that if Americans read about Obamacare a year ago they would have seen that the foundation was clearly there for this to be implemented anyway.

He said the bottom line is, doctors have been made cops or "agents" now for the government and are basically ratting out all kinds of information to them and other agencies that are covered under the umbrella of information access that Obamacare grants.

His one example was this:

If you have a history of anxiety attacks...the physician can now recommend to homeland security and the reporting agencies that receive the reports of "YOUR WELL BEING" on whether or not you should possess a weapon or not in your home. If a history of panic, depression, or bi-polar disorders exist in the HOUSEHOLD...your house will be checked off as a home that CAN NOT OR SHOULD NOT OWN A FIRE ARM.

Did you read that? Read it again.

The doctor and officer said this was another way of Obama and the government showing who were the weak links in society and leave them without the ability to defend themselves or have a voice other than to be medicated and monitored by the federal government as well and that routine checks can be made by law enforcement officers via a warrant operation set up by ATF to sweep your home for weapons.

There is so much more to go on here but I had to get this posted on what these 2 professionals were speaking about this afternoon...this is so much worse than anyone is even talking about.


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1 posted on 01/16/2013 10:39:48 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: NewJerseyJoe

P4L


2 posted on 01/16/2013 10:46:25 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: My Favorite Headache

If you want Nanny to take care of you then there has to be a few rules.


3 posted on 01/16/2013 10:47:03 AM PST by Captain PJ (Are we there yet?)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Thanks for sharing.


4 posted on 01/16/2013 10:49:00 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

And this was exactly part of the argument AGAINST Ocare at the time. There were those out there screaming about this (and oh so many other provisions) and too many didn’t seem to care


5 posted on 01/16/2013 10:49:18 AM PST by Nifster
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To: My Favorite Headache
Does this mean obama supporters have to be the first to be disarmed, or do the obama supporters receive exemptions written somewhere within zer0care?
6 posted on 01/16/2013 10:50:21 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
If you have a history of anxiety attacks...the physician can now recommend to homeland security and the reporting agencies that receive the reports of "YOUR WELL BEING" on whether or not you should possess a weapon or not in your home. If a history of panic, depression, or bi-polar disorders exist in the HOUSEHOLD...your house will be checked off as a home that CAN NOT OR SHOULD NOT OWN A FIRE ARM.

I'm a doctor and I've never heard of this. Doubt it's true, for lots of reasons.

7 posted on 01/16/2013 10:50:29 AM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Having spent some time on a shrink’s couch in the past, I’m certain I’ll become a target. They don’t care WHY you were they, they care that you were there at all.

What makes me curious is if these shrinks realize this is going to decimate their practices? People will never go for psychological counseling for anything knowing that they might have their doors busted down for being “anxious.”

FWIW, I suffered from depression due to alcohol abuse and the loss of girlfriend. Once I started attending AA and realized I had a problem, I’ve never looked back. Been sober for years and never been back to that doctor.


8 posted on 01/16/2013 10:50:52 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Thanks for the post. BTTT.


9 posted on 01/16/2013 10:50:59 AM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
If you have a history of anxiety attacks...the physician can now recommend to homeland security and the reporting agencies that receive the reports of "YOUR WELL BEING" on whether or not you should possess a weapon or not in your home. If a history of panic, depression, or bi-polar disorders exist in the HOUSEHOLD...your house will be checked off as a home that CAN NOT OR SHOULD NOT OWN A FIRE ARM.

Thanks you and your friends clarified a concern I had.

10 posted on 01/16/2013 10:51:38 AM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Stay away from doctors. They are bad for your health.


11 posted on 01/16/2013 10:51:38 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
If you have a history of anxiety attacks...the physician can now recommend to homeland security and the reporting agencies that receive the reports of "YOUR WELL BEING" on whether or not you should possess a weapon or not in your home.

I'm not a bit surprised. My optometrist informed me a few years ago that if I don't agree to buy the glasses he thinks I need, he's under some sort of moral obligation to inform the motor vehicle agency in our state so they can pull my driver license. Didn't matter to him that tilting my old glasses gave me 20/20 vision.

It's a new world. Doctors work for the insurance companies, and the state is gradually taking over the insurance racket. So our liberty must be sacrificed to the new god whose creed is "Cover Your A**."

12 posted on 01/16/2013 10:51:45 AM PST by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
If you have a history of anxiety attacks...the physician can now recommend to homeland security...

Is it "can" or MUST?

13 posted on 01/16/2013 10:52:29 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: My Favorite Headache
Vladimir Lenin knew what he preached when said that those most intimate with us would be the best way to get control and implement total Marxist control.

The AMA knew this in 1945 and they were the very first to sound the alarm about the control of the population by communists.

Now we have an administration working to complete the Marxist dream.

Should we be surprised at all?

14 posted on 01/16/2013 10:53:32 AM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: Jim Noble

If true doc, ask each patient if they voted for obama. Then can recommend no firearm for them, if voted obama.


15 posted on 01/16/2013 10:56:19 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

bump


16 posted on 01/16/2013 10:56:47 AM PST by real saxophonist
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To: My Favorite Headache

Obamacare == Government Agent Control via doctors as agents, withholding medical care unless compliant.

This is how the socialists do it. That’s how they’ve all done it throughout history.

Get patsy doctors to label sane people insane. Get patsy doctors to label freedom loving patriots as “dangerous”.

It’s Orwellian and Newspeak. It is evil. It must be opposed and defeated. Of course when the libtards run stuff if you don’t see things their way, you must be nuts. And obviously you’re going to be dangerous.

This is why the bible says in the last days they’re going to kill a lot of people and believe they are doing good (when they are actually doing evil).


17 posted on 01/16/2013 10:56:57 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Jim Noble

Jim, no disrespect at all...but the game has changed and both of these men have been in their profession for 20 plus years each. There was so much in the details of what is coming in under the “new” and “upcoming” laws that maybe you haven’t been aware of it yet. Because the bigger parts of Obamacare go into effect in 2014.

The line was just crossed this morning with the stroke of a pen and Obama said it loud and clear enough to strike up the conversation with a physician and LEO who were not even remotely speaking to each other at the time of the speech.

Things have changed. Big time.


18 posted on 01/16/2013 10:57:12 AM PST by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big.)
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To: onyx

Excellent question. Both believed under the new law it is “must”, I used the word “can” because it wasn’t an option before.


19 posted on 01/16/2013 10:59:35 AM PST by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big.)
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To: My Favorite Headache
It is time for Conservative Doctors to unite. No firearms for obama voters.
20 posted on 01/16/2013 10:59:46 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

My have has had anxiety problems and panic attacks around large groups of people. I guess now I cannot have guns. Where do I turn them in at?


21 posted on 01/16/2013 11:00:30 AM PST by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: rarestia

The thing that’s so crazy about shrinks, is that there is a high percentage of shrinks, that go to other shrinks for their own problems.

How can we allow these people to be in any position to label others mentally unfit, when they themselves in large numbers, are themselves suffering such mental problems that THEY require going to a shrink for help?


22 posted on 01/16/2013 11:00:30 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: rarestia

I’m seeing a shrink right now, my insurance company required it before I have surgery.

That young woman is bat-sh*t crazy and I have no idea of how she got her job.

After the first 10 minutes I knew to play the game to get it over with asap, she seems the type who would love to have this power over her patients. No way in hell I would admit to owning firearms to her, especially now.


23 posted on 01/16/2013 11:01:01 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

My wife has had anxiety problems and panic attacks around large groups of people. I guess now I cannot have guns. Where do I turn them in at?


24 posted on 01/16/2013 11:01:15 AM PST by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: My Favorite Headache

What bothers me most is those who serve are given weapons, taught to use them and risk their lives for this country. Some get PTSD from the experience.

Now the same gov’t that sent them to war wants to take away their guns...because they may have PTSD.


25 posted on 01/16/2013 11:01:22 AM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: HomeAtLast
I have a friend who is a physician and he is not happy at all with Obamacare.

He was the very first person I ever knew who subscribed to National Review and he was 19 when he did so.

Most doctors do what they do because they like helping people in their field and they like the lifestyle it provides.

Obamacare negates both of those reasons.

I would venture to say that the majority don't want to be glorified government drudges.

26 posted on 01/16/2013 11:02:13 AM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: My Favorite Headache; All
A police state has been before our eyes in Germany with Hitler, in Russia and Lenin and Stalin. It showed us tyranny, loss of life, loss of children being removed from parents, and then being educated according to the policies of the day. Resulting in tremendous pain, suffering, loss of life, constant fear, anxiety, freezing in winter, little or no food, poor, pain and loss of hope. Many murdered, imprisoned, ... how is it we think/believe it can not happen here?

We are marching quickly in this very direction or outcome. God help us. We must get our self in order with God, sincerely repent, stay prayed up and obey His commandments.

AAARRRGGGHHHH~!!!

27 posted on 01/16/2013 11:02:21 AM PST by geologist (" If you love me, keep my commandments" John 14:15)
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To: no-to-illegals

“Do you own a gun? Did you vote for 0bama? If so, I’m obligated to report you as unfit to own that gun, due to an obvious mental disease.”


28 posted on 01/16/2013 11:05:16 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (The shooter in CT was a Satanist. Curtail Satanists' First Amendment Rights for the Children!)
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To: Abathar

It’s all a game to them. It’s very easy to game the system if you know how it’s rigged. I knew I had a problem with drinking, it was a remnant of my college years, and I knew if I started going to AA, I could stop listening to her double-speaking idiocy.


29 posted on 01/16/2013 11:05:59 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: gop4lyf

I am the one you should see, I will take all of your arms & ammo.


30 posted on 01/16/2013 11:06:19 AM PST by bigfootbob
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To: onyx
"If you have a history of anxiety attacks...the physician can now recommend to homeland security..." -- Is it "can" or MUST?

"Can" swiftly translates into "must". Guaranteed, the next time there is a shooting, they will check if the shooter was under care for anxiety, depression, or other mental issue. If the doctor failed to report, then the doctor will be the target of lawsuits.

At that point, doctors' insurance companies will REQUIRE that they report, as a condition of liability insurance.

31 posted on 01/16/2013 11:06:19 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

You know the liberal doctors are going to be asking those types of questions. Conservatives beware of these types of questions. Liberals ... it is your duty to answer these questions.


32 posted on 01/16/2013 11:07:41 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

you know, As sick as it seems, I suspected that soemthign was goign on a few years ago when everytime I, and family members and friends went to the health clinics for checkups, the docs seemed to be pushing anti-depressents for everythign form sleep apnea, to twitchign muscles to toe fungus (under the idie that out of whack seratonine levels can ‘cause all sorts of physical probems’ as told us by the docs)

I now beleive that thsi administration has been planning this for al ong time now- and I was really suspicious when one of the healthcare physicians told me they were leaving to go to work on a massive healthcare database project beign issued by the state- then later, out of the clear blue, a health care pohysician caught me compeltely off guard by asking ‘Do you have a gun i nthe house’ And liek a dummy I ‘couldn’t lie’ so I said ‘yes’ (I immediately KNEW I shoudl have told them to take hteir question and stuff it where the sun doesn’t shine without answerign hte question) (Folks, Be aware, that you WILL be asked thsi question- usually preceeded by the question “Have you ever thought abotu hurtign yourself or anyoen else”- These docs have apaprentrly been ordere3d to collect thsi kind of info for use AGAINST Us- and if you answered yes to either of htese questions, you will no longer be able to own a gun if you were prescribed and accepted anti-depressents

I wodnered why they kept tryign to push dangerous druugs on me,. family and firends for seemingly benign conditions liek muscvle twitches and such- and now it has becoem clear- thsi was in the planning a long time ago- so that now there is a national database showing everyoen that was ever on anti-depre4ssents, anti-psychotic druugs, anti-anxiety drugs etc etc etc-

We are livign in a VERY bad tiem in history- asnd thigns are only goign to get worse as the left has discovered that they can now ignore the constitution (the supreme court sure as hell isn’t goign to make them obey it) and get away with it scott free, or work aroudn it by takign away the rights via executiove order ‘for safety reasons’ because hte person ‘may at soem point snap’ Even when htere’s NO clear evidence to suggest that. Folks, We are now livign under tyrants i nthsi country who no longer consider it a privilege to SERVE US, but who now feel we shoudl feel privileged BEING IN SERVITUDE TO them


33 posted on 01/16/2013 11:08:00 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: rarestia

Great point. he says he wants to make sure that people with mental problems don’t have guns while at the same time making many people who need to see a shrink not go see one. So how will he make sure these people don’t have guns if they don’t know who these people are?

Just like saying every company that employs 30 or more people must provide insurance. It never entered their minds that companies would simply cut the work force to part time. They simply can’t think.


34 posted on 01/16/2013 11:10:33 AM PST by Terry Mross (People who hate me read my posts and get angry. Yet they can't look away. hee hee)
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To: PapaBear3625

I forgot to mention that the physician also stated that there were “automatic qualifiers” for people who are already on certain anti-psychotic and anti-depression drugs. If someone is in a house and has schizophrenia..it’s probably not the best idea to own guns as it is in the house but that if a person is under your roof and is under care for these mental illnesses and is under meds for it? No guns for you or anyone at that address.


35 posted on 01/16/2013 11:10:49 AM PST by My Favorite Headache (In a world where I feel so small, I can't stop thinking big.)
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To: My Favorite Headache; newheart

This is worrisome.


36 posted on 01/16/2013 11:12:18 AM PST by real saxophonist
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To: My Favorite Headache

OK, so this means if my doctor asks me if I have guns in my house, I will lie to my doctor, and change doctors.


37 posted on 01/16/2013 11:13:42 AM PST by Kenton
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No .. Conservatives know to not answer or lie. liberals are too stupid to know any better. It will work in reverse. liberals will answer and be disarmed by Conservative Doctors.
38 posted on 01/16/2013 11:15:32 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Then the guy responds to the doctor “I’m going to get a gun and I.....”.


39 posted on 01/16/2013 11:17:49 AM PST by Terry Mross (People who hate me read my posts and get angry. Yet they can't look away. hee hee)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Great. My Wife has been treated for depression off and on since she was a kid. Been ok the last ten years or so...

This will not end well.


40 posted on 01/16/2013 11:18:31 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Kenton

“Out with the old doctors. In with the new.” - Stalin, The Doctor’s Plot


41 posted on 01/16/2013 11:21:16 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Terry Mross
Can Conservatives report liberal firearms owners to their doctors, if the doctor is a known Conservative?
42 posted on 01/16/2013 11:22:09 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: real saxophonist

The only problem they will have is IF, and that’s a big IF, the local cops don’t help enforce the law. Or, that could be why they hired all those “IRS” agents. Maybe they’re not IRS agents at all.


43 posted on 01/16/2013 11:22:37 AM PST by Terry Mross (People who hate me read my posts and get angry. Yet they can't look away. hee hee)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Oh goodie. Thank God, my doctor is in canada and the Odumbo machine cannot trace it back to him.


44 posted on 01/16/2013 11:23:02 AM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: massgopguy
Beware of Doctors who student loans have been forgiven.
45 posted on 01/16/2013 11:23:32 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

From now on, no information whatsoever, except that which might directly to get medical care, will be given to medical doctors. If I’m depressed, clinically, I will just ‘balls through it’. If I relapse with intoxicants, I will just ‘balls through it’. Anything that could be used to take my guns, I will just ‘balls through it’.


46 posted on 01/16/2013 11:27:47 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: rarestia

Black market psychotherapy.

On the other hand, maybe more people will seek out a priest to talk over things they used to see a therapist for.


47 posted on 01/16/2013 11:34:10 AM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: My Favorite Headache

So many people I know are on anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds. The list will be long.


48 posted on 01/16/2013 11:35:43 AM PST by sarasota
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To: gop4lyf
Where do I turn them in at?

Let me FreepMail you my the firearm disposal address.

49 posted on 01/16/2013 11:36:46 AM PST by tnlibertarian
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To: Lazamataz
If I relapse with intoxicants

Don't make the doc call you. He has your number.

50 posted on 01/16/2013 11:38:20 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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