Skip to comments.Now It's Come To This (Please Read This)
Posted on 01/16/2013 10:39:46 AM PST by My Favorite Headache
I had to come on to FR and post the following discussion that just took place at lunch that I had with a law enforcement agent that I am currently working with and a general practitioner who happen to be dining at a booth next to ours.
The television was on as the President was giving his speech about his 23 executive orders. When the discussion arrived about mental health and giving up personal information under the HIPPA act.
The physician stated that if Americans read about Obamacare a year ago they would have seen that the foundation was clearly there for this to be implemented anyway.
He said the bottom line is, doctors have been made cops or "agents" now for the government and are basically ratting out all kinds of information to them and other agencies that are covered under the umbrella of information access that Obamacare grants.
His one example was this:
If you have a history of anxiety attacks...the physician can now recommend to homeland security and the reporting agencies that receive the reports of "YOUR WELL BEING" on whether or not you should possess a weapon or not in your home. If a history of panic, depression, or bi-polar disorders exist in the HOUSEHOLD...your house will be checked off as a home that CAN NOT OR SHOULD NOT OWN A FIRE ARM.
Did you read that? Read it again.
The doctor and officer said this was another way of Obama and the government showing who were the weak links in society and leave them without the ability to defend themselves or have a voice other than to be medicated and monitored by the federal government as well and that routine checks can be made by law enforcement officers via a warrant operation set up by ATF to sweep your home for weapons.
There is so much more to go on here but I had to get this posted on what these 2 professionals were speaking about this afternoon...this is so much worse than anyone is even talking about.
If you want Nanny to take care of you then there has to be a few rules.
Thanks for sharing.
And this was exactly part of the argument AGAINST Ocare at the time. There were those out there screaming about this (and oh so many other provisions) and too many didn’t seem to care
I'm a doctor and I've never heard of this. Doubt it's true, for lots of reasons.
Having spent some time on a shrink’s couch in the past, I’m certain I’ll become a target. They don’t care WHY you were they, they care that you were there at all.
What makes me curious is if these shrinks realize this is going to decimate their practices? People will never go for psychological counseling for anything knowing that they might have their doors busted down for being “anxious.”
FWIW, I suffered from depression due to alcohol abuse and the loss of girlfriend. Once I started attending AA and realized I had a problem, I’ve never looked back. Been sober for years and never been back to that doctor.
Thanks for the post. BTTT.
Thanks you and your friends clarified a concern I had.
Stay away from doctors. They are bad for your health.
I'm not a bit surprised. My optometrist informed me a few years ago that if I don't agree to buy the glasses he thinks I need, he's under some sort of moral obligation to inform the motor vehicle agency in our state so they can pull my driver license. Didn't matter to him that tilting my old glasses gave me 20/20 vision.
It's a new world. Doctors work for the insurance companies, and the state is gradually taking over the insurance racket. So our liberty must be sacrificed to the new god whose creed is "Cover Your A**."
Is it "can" or MUST?
The AMA knew this in 1945 and they were the very first to sound the alarm about the control of the population by communists.
Now we have an administration working to complete the Marxist dream.
Should we be surprised at all?
If true doc, ask each patient if they voted for obama. Then can recommend no firearm for them, if voted obama.
Obamacare == Government Agent Control via doctors as agents, withholding medical care unless compliant.
This is how the socialists do it. That’s how they’ve all done it throughout history.
Get patsy doctors to label sane people insane. Get patsy doctors to label freedom loving patriots as “dangerous”.
It’s Orwellian and Newspeak. It is evil. It must be opposed and defeated. Of course when the libtards run stuff if you don’t see things their way, you must be nuts. And obviously you’re going to be dangerous.
This is why the bible says in the last days they’re going to kill a lot of people and believe they are doing good (when they are actually doing evil).
Jim, no disrespect at all...but the game has changed and both of these men have been in their profession for 20 plus years each. There was so much in the details of what is coming in under the “new” and “upcoming” laws that maybe you haven’t been aware of it yet. Because the bigger parts of Obamacare go into effect in 2014.
The line was just crossed this morning with the stroke of a pen and Obama said it loud and clear enough to strike up the conversation with a physician and LEO who were not even remotely speaking to each other at the time of the speech.
Things have changed. Big time.
Excellent question. Both believed under the new law it is “must”, I used the word “can” because it wasn’t an option before.
My have has had anxiety problems and panic attacks around large groups of people. I guess now I cannot have guns. Where do I turn them in at?
The thing that’s so crazy about shrinks, is that there is a high percentage of shrinks, that go to other shrinks for their own problems.
How can we allow these people to be in any position to label others mentally unfit, when they themselves in large numbers, are themselves suffering such mental problems that THEY require going to a shrink for help?
I’m seeing a shrink right now, my insurance company required it before I have surgery.
That young woman is bat-sh*t crazy and I have no idea of how she got her job.
After the first 10 minutes I knew to play the game to get it over with asap, she seems the type who would love to have this power over her patients. No way in hell I would admit to owning firearms to her, especially now.
My wife has had anxiety problems and panic attacks around large groups of people. I guess now I cannot have guns. Where do I turn them in at?
What bothers me most is those who serve are given weapons, taught to use them and risk their lives for this country. Some get PTSD from the experience.
Now the same gov’t that sent them to war wants to take away their guns...because they may have PTSD.
He was the very first person I ever knew who subscribed to National Review and he was 19 when he did so.
Most doctors do what they do because they like helping people in their field and they like the lifestyle it provides.
Obamacare negates both of those reasons.
I would venture to say that the majority don't want to be glorified government drudges.
We are marching quickly in this very direction or outcome. God help us. We must get our self in order with God, sincerely repent, stay prayed up and obey His commandments.
“Do you own a gun? Did you vote for 0bama? If so, I’m obligated to report you as unfit to own that gun, due to an obvious mental disease.”
It’s all a game to them. It’s very easy to game the system if you know how it’s rigged. I knew I had a problem with drinking, it was a remnant of my college years, and I knew if I started going to AA, I could stop listening to her double-speaking idiocy.
I am the one you should see, I will take all of your arms & ammo.
"Can" swiftly translates into "must". Guaranteed, the next time there is a shooting, they will check if the shooter was under care for anxiety, depression, or other mental issue. If the doctor failed to report, then the doctor will be the target of lawsuits.
At that point, doctors' insurance companies will REQUIRE that they report, as a condition of liability insurance.
You know the liberal doctors are going to be asking those types of questions. Conservatives beware of these types of questions. Liberals ... it is your duty to answer these questions.
you know, As sick as it seems, I suspected that soemthign was goign on a few years ago when everytime I, and family members and friends went to the health clinics for checkups, the docs seemed to be pushing anti-depressents for everythign form sleep apnea, to twitchign muscles to toe fungus (under the idie that out of whack seratonine levels can ‘cause all sorts of physical probems’ as told us by the docs)
I now beleive that thsi administration has been planning this for al ong time now- and I was really suspicious when one of the healthcare physicians told me they were leaving to go to work on a massive healthcare database project beign issued by the state- then later, out of the clear blue, a health care pohysician caught me compeltely off guard by asking ‘Do you have a gun i nthe house’ And liek a dummy I ‘couldn’t lie’ so I said ‘yes’ (I immediately KNEW I shoudl have told them to take hteir question and stuff it where the sun doesn’t shine without answerign hte question) (Folks, Be aware, that you WILL be asked thsi question- usually preceeded by the question “Have you ever thought abotu hurtign yourself or anyoen else”- These docs have apaprentrly been ordere3d to collect thsi kind of info for use AGAINST Us- and if you answered yes to either of htese questions, you will no longer be able to own a gun if you were prescribed and accepted anti-depressents
I wodnered why they kept tryign to push dangerous druugs on me,. family and firends for seemingly benign conditions liek muscvle twitches and such- and now it has becoem clear- thsi was in the planning a long time ago- so that now there is a national database showing everyoen that was ever on anti-depre4ssents, anti-psychotic druugs, anti-anxiety drugs etc etc etc-
We are livign in a VERY bad tiem in history- asnd thigns are only goign to get worse as the left has discovered that they can now ignore the constitution (the supreme court sure as hell isn’t goign to make them obey it) and get away with it scott free, or work aroudn it by takign away the rights via executiove order ‘for safety reasons’ because hte person ‘may at soem point snap’ Even when htere’s NO clear evidence to suggest that. Folks, We are now livign under tyrants i nthsi country who no longer consider it a privilege to SERVE US, but who now feel we shoudl feel privileged BEING IN SERVITUDE TO them
Great point. he says he wants to make sure that people with mental problems don’t have guns while at the same time making many people who need to see a shrink not go see one. So how will he make sure these people don’t have guns if they don’t know who these people are?
Just like saying every company that employs 30 or more people must provide insurance. It never entered their minds that companies would simply cut the work force to part time. They simply can’t think.
I forgot to mention that the physician also stated that there were “automatic qualifiers” for people who are already on certain anti-psychotic and anti-depression drugs. If someone is in a house and has schizophrenia..it’s probably not the best idea to own guns as it is in the house but that if a person is under your roof and is under care for these mental illnesses and is under meds for it? No guns for you or anyone at that address.
This is worrisome.
OK, so this means if my doctor asks me if I have guns in my house, I will lie to my doctor, and change doctors.
Then the guy responds to the doctor “I’m going to get a gun and I.....”.
Great. My Wife has been treated for depression off and on since she was a kid. Been ok the last ten years or so...
This will not end well.
“Out with the old doctors. In with the new.” - Stalin, The Doctor’s Plot
The only problem they will have is IF, and that’s a big IF, the local cops don’t help enforce the law. Or, that could be why they hired all those “IRS” agents. Maybe they’re not IRS agents at all.
Oh goodie. Thank God, my doctor is in canada and the Odumbo machine cannot trace it back to him.
From now on, no information whatsoever, except that which might directly to get medical care, will be given to medical doctors. If I’m depressed, clinically, I will just ‘balls through it’. If I relapse with intoxicants, I will just ‘balls through it’. Anything that could be used to take my guns, I will just ‘balls through it’.
Black market psychotherapy.
On the other hand, maybe more people will seek out a priest to talk over things they used to see a therapist for.
So many people I know are on anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds. The list will be long.
Let me FreepMail you
my the firearm disposal address.
Don't make the doc call you. He has your number.