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Why Does the Anti-Gun Camp Need to Lie?
American Thinker ^ | 1/16/13 | William A Levinson

Posted on 01/16/2013 12:07:59 PM PST by Winged Hussar

Human beings are almost universally receptive to impartial facts, and people will therefore support any course of action that is inherently right and effective. If the truth were on the side of the enemies of the Second Amendment, they would not need to lie to the public along with fellow members of Congress.

...The Million Mom March

The Million Mom March, with which Senators Feinstein (CA), Levin (MI), and Mikulski (MD); Hillary Clinton; Tipper Gore; and numerous members of Congress were closely associated, underscored the anti-gun movement's total lack of character and integrity as follows.

(1) Misuse of 501(c)(3) tax-exempt money to influence an election

(2) Solicitation of money, volunteer time, and corporate contributions under the fraudulent premise that firearm misuse kills 12 or 13 children a day. Dianne Feinstein, Jerrold Nadler, and many of their associates signed their names to this falsehood.

(3) A Form 990 tax return that told the IRS that the group had not tried to influence legislation even though its express purpose was to demand so-called commonsense gun laws

A group that tells its own donors and volunteers that its mission is to promote public safety, turns around and uses the donations for lobbying and electioneering, and then tells the IRS that it spent no money on the latter activities is simply not credible.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; feinstein; guncontrol; obama; secondamendment

1 posted on 01/16/2013 12:08:10 PM PST by Winged Hussar
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To: Winged Hussar

To them, the end justifies the means. Truth & fact mean absolutely nothing, comrade.


2 posted on 01/16/2013 12:10:52 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Winged Hussar

“Why Does the Anti-Gun Camp Need to Lie?”

Because they hate OUR Freedom and the truth sets you free. The very idea makes them shudder.


3 posted on 01/16/2013 12:12:11 PM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: Winged Hussar

Liberalism is the political expression of the religion of Humanism, which was founded by the father of lies when he said “you will be as gods, knowing good and evil”.


4 posted on 01/16/2013 12:15:03 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Winged Hussar

Just imagine what the mainstream media would do with a documented quote from the NRA, suggesting that we capitalize on the public’s confusion in order to get our way...like this:

“The weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.” - Josh Sugarmann, Assault Weapons and Accessories in America, 1988


5 posted on 01/16/2013 12:28:25 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Winged Hussar
the fraudulent premise that firearm misuse kills 12 or 13 children a day

Looking at the numbers from 2006, 2009 and 2010 (did not find 2000), the actual number appears to be between 7 and 9 per day.

12 may be too high, but not by that much. Does anyone have data that indicates a more accurate count for 2000?

6 posted on 01/16/2013 12:29:46 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Obama lied, Stevens died.)
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To: Winged Hussar

The same reason Marxists and Communists and Progressives need to lie.
If they came right out and said what their ultimate goals were nobody would go along with them. So they boil the frog slowly.


7 posted on 01/16/2013 12:38:31 PM PST by servo1969
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To: Michael.SF.

who do they include as “children” ?
(Obammycare counts them up to age 26)
is suicide “misuse” ?


8 posted on 01/16/2013 12:38:58 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Winged Hussar
Why do they lie? The answer is simple: THEY ARE INHERENTLY LIARS! It comes as easy to them as breathing!
9 posted on 01/16/2013 12:45:22 PM PST by leprechaun9
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To: Michael.SF.

From what I found in 2000, the actual number is about 6.5 legal minors per day (including older teens whom few people think of as children). Under the legal definition of a child, though, the MMM lied outright.


10 posted on 01/16/2013 12:50:17 PM PST by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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To: Winged Hussar

Everyone imagines themselves a modern day Leni Riefenstahl ....


11 posted on 01/16/2013 12:55:18 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Winged Hussar
Because the truth is not on their side?
12 posted on 01/16/2013 12:57:34 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: TurboZamboni

It’s baffling how a cosmetic feature bothers them so much.

My M1A and Garand deliver bigger, heavier rounds and make holes three times bigger than an evil 233/556 AR. If I lived in Amerika I could possess 30 round mags but living in Kaleefawnneyuh I am limited to 10rroround mags.

No matter. Accurate fire from a .308 won’t even hurt. Not a bit.


13 posted on 01/16/2013 1:00:11 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Winged Hussar

Because they are Evil, and they need to persuade their followers who are either evil, ignorant, or stupid.


14 posted on 01/16/2013 1:02:32 PM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: Vendome

Have you ever seen “Ten rounds, rapid” from a 1905 Lee-Enfield? The Brits didn’t bother to go semiautomatic because the Enfield was that good. The Germans, during World War I, thought they were under fire from machine guns, and they would have been better off if they had been. Each Enfield bullet was aimed individually.


15 posted on 01/16/2013 1:10:41 PM PST by Winged Hussar (http://moveonpleasemoveon.blogspot.com/)
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To: Winged Hussar

“Why Does the Anti-Gun Camp Need to Lie?”

Because gun control is a broken idea that doesnt work. You cant prop up broken ideas with the truth. So its lie, lie, and lie some more. The Nazis did it that way. The communists did it that way. The Democrats do it that way. And the anti-gun crowd does it that way.


16 posted on 01/16/2013 1:17:29 PM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: Winged Hussar

To call it a lie is an understatement. It helps to understand socialist-leftists if you classify their belief system as a cultish religious faith. And this classification is downright accurate.

To begin with, their beliefs are a perverse parody of Christianity, but with man at the center of the universe instead of God. As such, more than anything else, they want to supplant God in all things, even in the Bible.

However this grotesque corruption actually holds them together, because once the basic axiom is accepted, of man being superior to God, then the Bible acts as a guidebook to their bizarre theories.

And they embrace these theories with a rigid fanaticism, as would any “true believer” convert in a cult. Likewise they are intolerant of any other points of view, that any knowledge or information to contradicts their faith is to be disregarded as evil.

Much of their faith is founded in a twisted view of the Book of Genesis in the Bible. It forms the basis of such things as radical environmentalism, the elitism of socialists as “the chosen people” destined to rule over everyone else, and their downright weird notion of the equality of all men, or at least everyone else, ruled over by the elite.

The idea of dichotomy is essential to their mindset. That is, for example, that everything they believe is right and true and unchanging; but what anyone else believes is wrong and evil and must be changed. Dichotomy excuses some of their foulest abuses, such as embracing slavery (for others), racism (of other people), and that individuality is the enemy, to the point where individuals mean nothing and are expendable, compared to mankind as a whole.

They really do imagine themselves as a collective god-like being, who defines the universe and all within it. As a group.

So look at them with the distrust you would of someone else who embraced a tyrannical, violent, hate-filled, and egocentric belief system. Such people for the most part deserve to be institutionalized, because when they have political power, it is the madmen that rule the asylum.


17 posted on 01/16/2013 2:04:19 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Dichotomy excuses some of their foulest abuses, such as embracing slavery (for others), racism (of other people), and that individuality is the enemy, to the point where individuals mean nothing and are expendable, compared to mankind as a whole.

A belief which leads to the depraved "utilitarianism" of the left -- wherein non-elite individuals who are capable of productive work and pay taxes are of more worth to the state than are non-elite individuals who are too young, too infirm or too elderly to pay taxes and, instead, consume the state's resources.

18 posted on 01/16/2013 2:12:25 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Winged Hussar

Because they are scumbag fascists. I thought that was self evident.


19 posted on 01/16/2013 2:15:15 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Winged Hussar
With respect specifically to the Violence Policy Center, the answer to the titular question is because it's their charter. They are not in the business of analysis, they're in the business of influencing public opinion. They are not interested in science, they're interested in rhetoric.

While normal people can despise them for their pure mendacity - I certainly do - the fact is that they can no more refrain from this than a snake can refrain from being a snake. Do not expect to reason with these people. They aren't about that, and pretending that they are about that is all a part of what they really are about.

20 posted on 01/16/2013 2:20:24 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Winged Hussar
Keep a magic marker in your pocket, and if you suddenly 'feel an urge' to scrawl FUBO & Molon Labe on something,
well...just consider it as 'getting the message out there'!
21 posted on 01/16/2013 2:28:51 PM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: TurboZamboni

It’s baffling how a cosmetic feature bothers them so much.

My M1A and Garand deliver bigger, heavier rounds and make holes three times bigger than an evil 233/556 AR. If I lived in Amerika I could possess 30 round mags but living in Kaleefawnneyuh I am limited to 10rroround mags.

No matter. Accurate fire from a .308 won’t even hurt. Not a bit.


22 posted on 01/16/2013 2:54:05 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: TurboZamboni

It’s baffling how a cosmetic feature bothers them so much.

My M1A and Garand deliver bigger, heavier rounds and make holes three times bigger than an evil 233/556 AR. If I lived in Amerika I could possess 30 round mags but living in Kaleefawnneyuh I am limited to 10rroround mags.

No matter. Accurate fire from a .308 won’t even hurt. Not a bit.


23 posted on 01/16/2013 2:54:43 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Winged Hussar

That’s because it’s a deliberate six action concept and you must follow it to stay on target.


24 posted on 01/16/2013 2:57:06 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Winged Hussar

That’s because it’s a deliberate six action concept and you must follow it to stay on target.


25 posted on 01/16/2013 5:35:19 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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