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Gun range newbie: A personal tale
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | 01/17/2013 | Emily Babay

Posted on 01/17/2013 10:06:29 AM PST by Kid Shelleen

When reporting about guns, I'm often asked whether I've fired one myself.

"Just once," I'd reply, not elaborating to say I found my trip to a Virginia shooting range terrifying.

So when I was sent to see how gun shops and shooting ranges around Philadelphia were faring amid the debate over firearms, I was prepared for the same question.

But I wondered: Would shooting again change my ambivalence about guns? A Gallup poll found 47 percent of U.S. adults say they have a gun in their home or property.

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I think this is a pretty fair article ..
1 posted on 01/17/2013 10:06:32 AM PST by Kid Shelleen
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To: Kid Shelleen

Who can go to the range now with ammo out of stock and skyrocketing in price?


2 posted on 01/17/2013 10:13:08 AM PST by crosshairs (They are only assault weapons in the hands of tyrannical governments and criminals. Ban both.)
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To: Kid Shelleen
A Gallup poll found 47 percent of U.S. adults say they have a gun in their home or property.

Another 43% are lying...

3 posted on 01/17/2013 10:14:33 AM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Agree, not a bad article at all.

And, that Ruger is a hoot to shoot.


4 posted on 01/17/2013 10:14:39 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Kid Shelleen

My mom is the woman she quotes in this article, very similar results when they finally get to shoot one.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130116/NEWS19/130116038


5 posted on 01/17/2013 10:14:58 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Abathar

YOUR MOM ROCKS!!!


6 posted on 01/17/2013 10:17:21 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Kid Shelleen

“But I can’t say I loved shooting, or that I’ll be doing it again soon. Still, the experience has informed my reporting.

Having loaded and re-loaded a gun myself, I better understand why magazine capacity is key to a shooter’s ability to fire lots of bullets quickly.

Having felt, with my own hands, the differences among various bullet sizes, I better understand why bullet caliber can affect a firearm’s power, even though caliber isn’t generally addressed in assault weapons bans.

I better understand where gun advocates come from when they describe people who shoot firearms recreationally, with no intent to aim a gun at a person.”


7 posted on 01/17/2013 10:18:03 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Kid Shelleen

‘Am I a firearms expert now? No. But with gun violence and gun policy likely to stay in the news for the foreseeable future, I don’t regret the first-hand experience.’

A reporter who bothered to become educated rather than babbling talk points, thats rare indeed.


8 posted on 01/17/2013 10:18:53 AM PST by 556x45
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To: crosshairs

100 mini-mags for $8.50 if you can find them.

You Ruger Mark fans, Gunblast.com has videos at the shot show for a new device enabling easy take down on this UN-maintainable beast.


9 posted on 01/17/2013 10:18:53 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: crosshairs

.22LR.


10 posted on 01/17/2013 10:24:51 AM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: Kid Shelleen
But I wondered: Would shooting again change my ambivalence about guns?

My wife grew up in Brooklyn, NY. Her brother was shot in the leg for his bike growing up. She didn't want a gun in our house.She admitted that her opinion was formed by what she saw in the media....guns were always bad.

Any way, being the smart gal that she is, she said "Well, maybe I should at least try it." Fast forward to today....she's had her CCW permit for 8yrs and loves to shoot.

11 posted on 01/17/2013 10:25:56 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Kid Shelleen
It is a good article. The reporterette obviously learned something about guns and gun enthusiasts. Didn't take much either.
12 posted on 01/17/2013 10:26:32 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Kid Shelleen

Well, she is a more honest reporter than most. At she is making a half hearted attempt to learn something. Most so called “journalists” just use their creative writing skills and make up gun facts as they go along.

There sure is a wide gulf between people who are familiar with firearms and people who have never operated a gun. It is hard to put yourself in their shoes.


13 posted on 01/17/2013 10:28:35 AM PST by zagger
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To: Puppage

Yes she does. I loaned her my .340 Weatherby magnum so she could show her the difference between “assault” rifles and a high powered hunting rifle Saturday also.

That young woman actually shot it too, I’m glad I didn’t unscrew the recoil suppressor like I joked I was going to, I never thought a newbie would have the guts to climb behind it after she heard the first guy fire it, I was surprised.


14 posted on 01/17/2013 10:32:27 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: DBrow
"...I better understand where gun advocates come from when they describe people who shoot firearms recreationally, with no intent to aim a gun at a person.”

The Range~

(Because with golf, you have to dress up, comb your hair, wear funny shoes and wait too long for the next hole.)

15 posted on 01/17/2013 10:33:38 AM PST by 444Flyer (We are experiencing the perfect storm.)
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To: grobdriver
Another 43% are lying...

Shhhh.
16 posted on 01/17/2013 10:36:45 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: Abathar
I never thought a newbie would have the guts to climb behind it after she heard the first guy fire it, I was surprised.

It's funny. I used to get surprised by that, too. However, after taking gun haters to the range to try it out,after I start them out on a .22 they almost always skip over the .9mm and want to shoot the .45. LOL

Who'd of thunk it?

17 posted on 01/17/2013 10:37:01 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Last Dakotan

ping


18 posted on 01/17/2013 10:37:49 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Kid Shelleen
Having loaded and re-loaded a gun myself, I better understand why magazine capacity is key to a shooter's ability to fire lots of bullets quickly.
Having felt, with my own hands, the differences among various bullet sizes, I better understand why bullet caliber can affect a firearm's power, even though caliber isn't generally addressed in assault weapons bans.
I better understand where gun advocates come from when they describe people who shoot firearms recreationally, with no intent to aim a gun at a person.

Something that people don't point out about magazine capacity, is that in reality, the number one use of guns is target practice, and recreational shooting, the primary use of guns requires full size magazines.

That gun shop owner has already had a productive year as an effective political activist, he deserves a friendly email.

19 posted on 01/17/2013 10:42:54 AM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: grobdriver

Well, maybe 40%.


20 posted on 01/17/2013 10:44:38 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Good article. Perhaps it needs a followup about the sheltered lives of journalists.


21 posted on 01/17/2013 10:47:28 AM PST by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Planned Parenthood kills people.)
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To: crosshairs

I just happened to stop in at Gander Mountain today and they had a bunch of 9mm Remington UMC ammo in stock. They had 250 round mega packs for $79.99 apiece, and they also had boxes of 1000 loose rounds with no price visible. There was a guy walking around with one of those scan guns, so I asked him to check the price. He did, and he told me us that it was $149.99. Within 3 minutes, the 10 or so boxes that were sitting there were scooped up by shoppers standing within earshot. When I got to the front counter to pay, it rang up at $249.99. I told the guy that someone had price checked it for me at $149.99. Another Clerk told him no, it’s supposedto be the price that rang up. He changed the price anyway, so I got it for 15 cents per round.


22 posted on 01/17/2013 10:48:23 AM PST by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: ansel12

I’d like to see a video put together by an experienced shooter that shows the number of rounds that can be fired using 30 round magazines in 60 seconds versus the number of rounds that can be fired from 10 round magazines in 60 seconds.


23 posted on 01/17/2013 10:54:59 AM PST by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: Puppage

When I met my wife she was very anti-gun and had taught her kids (then 10 and 13) that guns were evil. The kids were very upset when we moved in together, with all my guns (I had quite a collection until my boat overturned) and have always given me a hard time about it (18 years now).
My wife now has her concealed carry license. Last night she asked when we can go to the range again. The kids are still uncomfortable around my guns though.
It has also kept me in line. Wifey told me I would leave this relationship one way - feet first. She is a very good shot.


24 posted on 01/17/2013 10:55:33 AM PST by TStro
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To: crosshairs
Who can go to the range now with ammo out of stock and skyrocketing in price?

Our local gun store is remodeling to expand their firing range. Demand is high.

25 posted on 01/17/2013 10:59:18 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (2 Corinthians 4:8)
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To: Kid Shelleen

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26 posted on 01/17/2013 11:01:21 AM PST by BunnySlippers (Yes, they have. Don't you read?I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

P4L


27 posted on 01/17/2013 11:08:13 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Kid Shelleen
I am not one of them.

Then embrace your role as a sheep. But when the wolf comes to call, get behind cover, stay there and do not interfere or scream when the sheep dog(s) appear and dispatch the wolf with their firearms.

I am one of them.

28 posted on 01/17/2013 11:08:41 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Humans have eliminated natural selection. Morons are now a protected species. They breed and vote.)
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To: grobdriver

Well, maybe 40%.


29 posted on 01/17/2013 11:12:18 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
You Ruger Mark fans, Gunblast.com has videos at the shot show for a new device enabling easy take down on this UN-maintainable beast.

I have a Ruger Mark II 22/45. Sure you can take it down easy, but getting it back together and firing is nearly impossible without the right knowledge.

In fact, there is a way if you put it together wrong you can't even get the gun apart again!

30 posted on 01/17/2013 11:19:41 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Kid Shelleen
Good find, Kid, though I think "fair" is a much mis-used word. I didn't think the article was so much "fair" as it was written by an anti-gun liberal gal who wanted to be perceived as "fair." At least she acknowleded her bias, I'll give her that.

The public comments at the site, presumably readers of this Philadelphia paper, were easily dominated by folks like us -- folks skeptical of gun control. Liberals are going to be very, very surprised when they learn that all the "masses" that supposedly agree with them, are imaginary, very much the same way that Al Franken and any Chicago mayor's "deciding balance of voters" are imaginary. Most of America is pro gun and anti-government tyranny -- but anti-gun anti-freedom pro-government liberals are so overrepresented in the MSM and pop culture, that it paints a false picture.

Reading public comments from average Americans at ALL MSM sites, whether it's the LA Times, the New York Times, ABC, CBS, NBC, Yahoo, CNN, even the Wasington Post -- the vast majority of media consumers -- not talking heads and celebraties, but regular Americans --the vast majority write and sound a lot like FReepers: sick of government tyranny, disgusted with MSM bias and Obama, and pro 2nd Amendment.

Our country is in better shape than we think, with smarter, more productive, and more moral people than we've been led to believe.

31 posted on 01/17/2013 11:20:13 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Puppage
Same here. Mrs. BS Roberts used to be very fearful of any firearm. Even my Remington Nylon 66 .22 unnerved her.

Fast forward to 2008...Der Fearless Leader gets elected. She asks me to start 'learnin' her and she gets her LTC and gets a S&W .38 Special and a Ruger MKII. She now loves our "range dates".

32 posted on 01/17/2013 11:31:38 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Humans have eliminated natural selection. Morons are now a protected species. They breed and vote.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

That’s great. Ain’t nothing sexier than a women with a gun in her hand.


33 posted on 01/17/2013 11:35:26 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage
My wife grew up in Brooklyn, NY. Her brother was shot in the leg for his bike growing up.

Note to self - do not let your bike grow up. Investigate whether is is a phenomenon that happens only in Brooklyn.

34 posted on 01/17/2013 11:35:49 AM PST by frithguild (You can call me Snippy the Anti-Freeper)
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To: Last Dakotan

I had a mark years ago. If this device existed then I would have kept it. It fits down in front of the rear sight to align those pieces for easy assembly. It’s been a while since I tore one down.


35 posted on 01/17/2013 11:40:08 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: frithguild
Note to self - do not let your bike grow up.


36 posted on 01/17/2013 11:42:56 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Humans have eliminated natural selection. Morons are now a protected species. They breed and vote.)
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To: frithguild
My wife grew up in Brooklyn, NY. Her brother was shot in the leg for his bike growing up.

LOL! Ok, that's freak'n hysterical.

My dear departed 1st grade teacher, Mrs. Matthews, would laugh at this and say I deserved it. That I should have paid more attention to proper punctuation......She's right.

37 posted on 01/17/2013 11:46:04 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: 556x45; DBrow; Kid Shelleen; All
"I better understand where gun advocates come from when they describe people who shoot firearms recreationally, with no intent to aim a gun at a person.”

And ...

A reporter who bothered to become educated rather than babbling talk points, thats rare indeed.

With respect, my fellow FReepers ... this woman hasn't become "educated" just because she fired a Ruger semi-auto, and zilch in the story indicates that she has. For crying out loud, she remains so ignorant that she apparently thinks that the folks who shoot recreationally are to be distinguished as having "no intent to aim a gun at a person." What gun advocate DOES, other than someone in the military or law enforcement??? She's trying to say that this time at the firing range has enlightened her that gee, maybe now she'll believe "gun advocates" when they "describe people who shoot firearms recrationally" as having "no intent to aim a gun at a person"? INTENT?

I don't even see anywhere in the article that she even is educated enough to know that she was shooting a semi-automatic as opposed to a revolver, or the difference between a fully-automatic gun and a semi-auto.

I was a reporter for long enough and worked around the liberal MSM for long enough to recognize this for exactly what it is: a phoney-baloney "fair" report that this liberal reporter sincerely believes gives her credibility and unfortunately a lot of good folks are falling for it. Her going to the range and shooting this gun gives her no more crediblity about gun issues than my one-time experience sky-diving, as a reporter, gives me credibility reporting on skydiving.

38 posted on 01/17/2013 12:01:44 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: RightFighter

Someone posted a great video of a single target being hit by multiple shots in a time period, versus 5 targets being hit with multiple projectiles (shotgun pellets) in only 3 plus seconds.


39 posted on 01/17/2013 12:03:51 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: ansel12

Another thing that nobody mentions in the magazine capacity hullaballoo is that limiting magazine size encourages using a higher caliber.

I carry a 9mm HK because it holds 15. If you limit me to 7, I might as well carry the Kimber 1911 .45. Fewer rounds, more damage.

SnakeDoc


40 posted on 01/17/2013 12:09:48 PM PST by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: crosshairs
Who can go to the range now with ammo out of stock and skyrocketing in price?

That's both a goal and unintended consequence of O'Cuomo's gun control plan:

First, the goal. I'm convinced that the primary reason why the DHS, IRS, SSA and other government agencies are purchasing ammo far beyond their needs is to deplete inventories and drive the price of ammo up so that we the people can't afford to buy the little ammo that we can find. Over time, this will put many gun shops and shooting ranges out of business and with each generation, the number of gun owners will decline so that in 50 years, there won't be enough us left to fight for and preserve our constitutional rights.

Now for the unintended consequence. With gun owners spending more for ammo -- when they can find it -- they are less likely to spend quality time at the range practing the art of marksmanship. Less time at the range will eventually impare shooting accuracy and firearm safety, thereby increasing the likelihood of "accidental" shootings.

41 posted on 01/17/2013 12:10:23 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Finny

Plus she makes points about hi-cap mags being more deadly and wonders why the AWB does not consider actual muzzle energy.

She’s still a hoplophobe, but one who choked back her fear and revulsion to actually hold one and fire it as quickly as she could.


42 posted on 01/17/2013 12:35:27 PM PST by DBrow
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To: SnakeDoctor
Another thing that nobody mentions in the magazine capacity hullaballoo is that limiting magazine size encourages using a higher caliber. I carry a 9mm HK because it holds 15. If you limit me to 7, I might as well carry the Kimber 1911 .45. Fewer rounds, more damage.

Good observation, that needs to be brought up more.

43 posted on 01/17/2013 12:39:19 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: crosshairs

I can’t even get ammo.


44 posted on 01/17/2013 12:43:54 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Kid Shelleen; P.O.E.

Philly ping


45 posted on 01/17/2013 12:57:55 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: RightFighter

I have a Ruger 556 (AR platform) and have put 3 x 30 rd mags through it in ~1 minute. Not all the rounds went on target, but the perp was definitely put down.


46 posted on 01/17/2013 12:59:11 PM PST by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President, FUBO! Treason is the Reason! Impeach the Kenyan)
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To: pabianice

There’s no .22LR to be found in the three cities closest to me.

.22WMR and .22 short, yes, some. But the former is not all that cheap.


47 posted on 01/17/2013 1:05:28 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: GRRRRR

I could easily do 3 30-round mags in a minute. I’m wondering how close I’d be able to get to doing 9 10-round mags in the same time (shooting at the same rate when I’m not engaged in changing mags). In other words, what difference would it really make to limit ammo magazines to 10 rounds. If you can just change them out in 2-3 seconds and effectively change your rate of fire by only a few percentage points, what’s the difference?


48 posted on 01/17/2013 1:26:05 PM PST by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

I took a buddy from work to the range yesterday. He was a gun n00b, too:
http://youtu.be/Hz0IfMpza-Y
He’s hooked, and wants to go again.


49 posted on 01/17/2013 1:38:04 PM PST by RandallFlagg
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To: grobdriver
Ha!!

I own guns...So many I don't know how many.

How's that?

50 posted on 01/17/2013 1:41:56 PM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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