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Analysis: Obama's gun-control plan faces steep challenge in Congress
Reuters ^ | Jan 16, 2013 | John Whitesides and Thomas Ferraro

Posted on 01/17/2013 12:23:56 PM PST by neverdem

President Barack Obama's proposals to curb gun violence face a difficult path through a sharply divided U.S. Congress, where the biggest gun-control fight in decades looms on an issue that has long been one of the most divisive in American politics.

Obama's plan sets up a showdown between a gun-control movement re-energized by the massacre of 20 children and six adults last month at a Connecticut school, and a powerful gun-rights lobby led by the National Rifle Association, which has blocked new action on gun control for almost two decades.

Members of both parties said Obama's call for expanded background checks for all gun buyers had the best chance of surviving the partisan fight in Congress. Just as clear is that Obama's pitch for Congress to reinstate the ban on military-style assault weapons that expired nearly a decade ago is unlikely to go anywhere.

The odds for a third Obama proposal, to limit ammunition clips to 10 rounds, seem to fall somewhere in between, lawmakers and analysts said on Wednesday.

"If you look at the combination of likelihood of passage and effectiveness of curbing gun crime, universal background checks is at the sweet spot," said Democratic Senator Charles Schumer of New York, a heavily Democratic state where newly...

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That is why the gun legislation is almost certain to rise from the Democratic-led Senate. Even there, overcoming procedural hurdles will require supporters of Obama's plan to win over several Republicans while gaining backing from a few Democrats who have supported gun rights and face re-election next year in conservative states.

Democratic Senators Tim Johnson in South Dakota, Max Baucus in Montana, Mary Landrieu in Louisiana, Mark Begich in Alaska and Mark Pryor in Arkansas are from conservative states with high levels of gun ownership, and all face re-election next year...

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; nationalrifleassn; secondamendment

1 posted on 01/17/2013 12:24:05 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
In the House it comes down to the Republican leadership. If they wish to stop it, they can do so even if Obama gets the votes to pass it by using procedural roadblocks and refusing to bring it to the floor for a vote.
2 posted on 01/17/2013 12:30:14 PM PST by apillar
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To: neverdem

How many new NRA members signed up yesterday?


3 posted on 01/17/2013 12:30:38 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Before we argue, are you approved to speak by the Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms and Speech?)
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To: neverdem

I tend to agree with those who are starting to call it the beginning of the Biden campaign.


4 posted on 01/17/2013 12:32:22 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: neverdem
The 2nd Amendment is NON-NEGOTIABLE. This right is GOD-GIVEN (Inalienable) and not subject to debate.

Any attempt by 0bama to CHANGE the 2nd Amendment should land him before Congress for impeachment. PERIOD.

5 posted on 01/17/2013 12:34:57 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: neverdem

Mary Landrieu is definitely vulnerable right now. There are a whole lot of Louisianans who’d like to send her packing for other reasons; an anti-gun vote at this time would be putting her political neck on the chopping block.


6 posted on 01/17/2013 12:35:03 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Charles Martel

Michigan is another tricky state to push gun control in. After all, Jenny Granholm signed concealed carry into law here despite her own opposition.


7 posted on 01/17/2013 12:39:02 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: neverdem
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8 posted on 01/17/2013 12:43:40 PM PST by baddog 219
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To: neverdem

I’m guessing that there’s a pretty good chance that none of this even makes it to the floor of the Senate. Those boys, commies though they may be, can count votes just like everybody else and I don’t think that they have the Democrat votes to even change the private gun sale rules. They will honk and cough and release alot of fire and smoke to make it look like they are doing something, but the law is very unlikely to change.

What will change is stuff that Obama can do unilaterally: change definitions at the ATF, restrict CMP transactions, use the health care system to declare conservations to be mental risks to society, etc. Stealth warfare.


9 posted on 01/17/2013 12:47:00 PM PST by centurion316
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
The 2nd amendment has been trampled since 1934. Hopefully now that people are awakening to the fight we can finally get rid of all of the unconstitutional laws that we have suffered under.
10 posted on 01/17/2013 12:47:35 PM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: baddog 219
Tyrants Who Used Children As Propaganda Props

USA's Barack Obama Germany's Adolf Hitler

Cuba's Fidel Castro China’s Mao Zedong

Soviet Union's Joseph Stalin North Korea's Kim Il-sung


11 posted on 01/17/2013 12:50:55 PM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: neverdem
Analysis: Obama's gun-control plan faces steep challenge in Congress

Wait a minute, You're expecting congress (Boehner, McConnell, et. al.) to do something to uphold the Constitution??? Ha, Ha, Ha. Right after they take care of Barry's fake documents, Fast and Furious, Benghazigate, etc.

12 posted on 01/17/2013 12:53:16 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: cripplecreek
I tend to agree with those who are starting to call it the beginning of the Biden campaign.

What kind of Biden campaign? Presidential campaign?
13 posted on 01/17/2013 1:00:23 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: neverdem

I fail to see how standing on the exploited bodies of murdered children to make a political point gives you the president the moral high ground.


14 posted on 01/17/2013 1:06:10 PM PST by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: neverdem

Did the writers analysis also decide that obama was such a horrible president that his chances of being reelected were slim to none? Have they figured out that most of the gop elite are siding with democrats and are only concerned with how they can keep their cushy benefits and perks while screwing over any conservative values?


15 posted on 01/17/2013 1:06:30 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: fungoking

no you intended, sorry


16 posted on 01/17/2013 1:09:36 PM PST by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: Iron Munro
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17 posted on 01/17/2013 1:16:58 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Uncle Miltie
How many new NRA members signed up yesterday?

Don't know about yesterday, but I read earlier this week the NRA has added 250,000 new members since Newtown.

18 posted on 01/17/2013 1:27:59 PM PST by ScottinVA (More dizzying than a Tilt-a-Whirl is an around-a-circle argument with a liberal about gun control.)
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To: ScottinVA
How many new NRA members signed up yesterday?

Figure that I've heard since December is about 8,000 a day.

5.56mm

19 posted on 01/17/2013 1:30:00 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Uncle Miltie

Me!

And to show my patriotism, yesterday I went to my local gun store and came home with a brand new Glock 30.

I got to stay away from that place .. so help me I can’t resist buying something each time I go there.

About that gun store trip, I have never in 15 years seen empty gun cases like I saw yesterday. One Glock 9 in the case and two blue tag Glocks in the back for Law Enforcement/Military. I bought the Glock 30.

Stopped by Gander today when I was over in Evansville, IN and their ammo stock is very low. Lots of empty spaces on their ammo shelves.

I’m good to go now - have all the defence I need, IF, and a very big IF, I don’t have one of those freak boating accidents that everyone here has been experiencing lately.

5.56

and a MOLON LABE to you Bamster.


20 posted on 01/17/2013 1:35:24 PM PST by airdalechief
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To: neverdem; KeyLargo

Obama (or at least his handlers) know a little about Sun Tzu warfare. Deliberately playing weak in public, while mustering strength in secret, is just such a method. Obama is publically signaling weakness on this issue, article after article making him out to be the underdog against the all-powerful NRA. But he is, as the consummate community organizer, focusing his strength on where the real battle is being fought, local communities, and his “shock troops” appear to be gathering for “war” right here in Illinois, as this post from KeyLargo in the Illinois forum demonstrates:

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SPECIAL ALERT - YOUR ACTION REQUIRED

GUN CONTROLLERS PLAN RECRUITMENT AND ORGANIZATION RALLY

The gun control movement is on a roll in the northern suburbs. They will be holding a rally to recruit and organize new gun grabbers into their campaign to take your guns away from you.

IT IS VITALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS ATTEND THIS RALLY!

As a patriotic firearm owner, you have a responsibly to defend our Constitution by challenging those who would tear down our Bill of Rights. If the gun controllers are left unchallenged, then they and their friends in Springfield will walk all over YOUR constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

EVENT DETAILS

WHEN: Sunday, January 20, 2013, 2:00 PM

WHERE: Wilmette Public Library, 1242 Wilmette AVE, Wilmette, IL

WHO: This event is being hosted by a band of gun controllers including Mark Walsh of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence; Lee Goodman of Stop Concealed Carry Coalition and; Jennifer Bishop of the Million Mom March. These people are the real deal - the hard core top dogs of the gun control movement. These are the people leading the charge to raid your gun safe and confiscate and destroy your guns. These are the people who want to prevent you from carrying defensive firearms. These are the people who don’t care if you or your family members are raped, robbed and murdered by violent criminals. They only care about one thing - disarming you.

INSTRUCTIONS FOR PRO-GUN PEOPLE

1. Plan to be at the Wilmette Library between 1:00 and 1:30 so that you can get a seat. At past events like these, the anti-gunners try to play a game claiming that the room is “full” so as to deny entry to pro-gun people. Our aim is to ensure that there are more of OUR people there than THEIR people.

2. Be observant of abuses of your First Amendment rights by village officials. Get the name and title of any official who attempts to suppress your right of free association, assembly and speech.

3. If you have an I-GOLD t-shirt, hat, or badge, wear it! If you have an ISRA hat or an NRA hat, wear it!

4. If you see members of the media there, don’t wait for them to come to you. Rather, actively approach them, tell them you are a law-abiding firearm owner, and then tell them that you adamantly oppose punitive gun control laws being proposed by the organizers, Obama, and Emanuel. Make sure the media hears our side of the story first, and often!

5. Bring your children, grand children, and other young people with you. They are the next generation of patriots. Let them see how effective grassroots organizing works! If there is a question and answer session, have your children ask the organizers why they want to leave kids and their parents defenseless against criminals.

6. Be polite, but be assertive. Do not let the anti-gunners shout you down. Defend your 2nd Amendment with passion. If you have a smart phone, video as much of the proceedings as you can.

7. Remember, this is our Lexington, this is our Concord. Be prepared to teach the gun controllers a lesson in Liberty.

8. Please share this Alert with your friends and family - encourage them to show up at the rally.

9. Please post this Alert to any and all Internet blogs and bulletin boards to which you belong.

REMEMBER - YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESERVING YOUR FREEDOM - IF YOU DON’T DO IT, NOBODY ELSE WILL

********************************

Bottom line, while I think we do have an excellent chance of winning, we have to proactively disrupt any and all “community organizing” aimed at dismantling our Second Amendment rights. If Obama’s anti-gun ground troops can flip, or even just appear to flip, key local battleground counties, he can persuade otherwise “safe” members of congress to abandon all reason and vote against their Second Amendment constituencies. Obama is also a skillful illusionist. I think with Obamacare he was twisting the arms of individuals who he knew would be destroyed in the 2010 election. He didn’t care. As long as the illusion of safety he created in their head helped him achieve his goal, that was all that mattered.

That’s why we have to vigilantly keep him from getting away with the illusion he is attempting now. And he has a willing accomplice in our governor. Quinn will want to emulate Bloomberg, but he doesn’t have the votes, yet. If Obama’s people can provide the appearance of cover, those “safe” votes could flip, and Illinois could go down to the gun grabbers, at least until the next big SCOTUS decision, and that could mean years of oppression here. And as more states go that way, the harder it will be to stop the group think, which is Obama’s (and any dictator’s) secret weapon. Most people don’t like to be too different from their neighbors. Just the way it is. So we have to win here.


21 posted on 01/17/2013 1:35:24 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: neverdem

Obama’s plan sets up a showdown between a gun-control movement re-energized by the massacre of 20 children and six adults last month at a Connecticut school, and a powerful gun-rights lobby led by the National Rifle Association, which has blocked new action on gun control for almost two decades.


Wrong;

It sets up a showdown between those Americans who believe in the Constitution and those who would take away our ability to fight the tyranny of a Government run by a Dictator who believes he is “The One”.

Our Congress today is made up of people who do not believe in our country and wish to change it into a Dictatorship.I have no faith in either party as one party is pretty much the same as the other, an I don’t know what happened to Liberty loving Americans.


22 posted on 01/17/2013 1:37:08 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Iron Munro

Blood thirsty despots & tyrants of a feather, flock together. RAT bastard socialist/facsist/commie muzzzlim pig 0dumb0 fits in quite well with Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Kim II Jung, Castro, etc. Tyrants & dictators love to surround themselves with innocent children, to mask their bloodshed & tyranny & genocide against their own citizens. FUBO!!!


23 posted on 01/17/2013 1:49:36 PM PST by rcrngroup
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To: neverdem
A background check on all gun buyers including private sales and gifts seems to now be acceptable to many gun rights advocates both in Congress and the people at large. But I don't know how they can square that with he last phrase of the 2nd Amendment. To wit, "shall not be infringed".

My dictionary says, "to infringe is to encroach on a right or privilege or to violate". So how can a mandatory background check on every gun recipient whether by sale, trade, gift, swap, etc, not be an infringement on the RKBA?

Fact of the matter is, the mandatory BATFE background check on every gun dealer's firearm sale is nothing less than registering that firearm to the buyer along with his/her address so the feds will know who has it and where to find it when the time comes to pick um all up. And don't believe the feds when they say those records are destroyed after a certain length of time. According to a writer for a gun magazine who interviewed a former BATFE agent in his column a few years ago those records are stored for 20 years in an underground warehouse in West Virginia along with literally tons of other various records. The BATFE doesn't admit that, but they will lie about that just as most other fed agencies will when it's something we lowly US citizens aren't supposed to know.

24 posted on 01/17/2013 2:11:54 PM PST by epow (The way of the cross leads home)
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To: neverdem

As far as I am concerned, the U.S. Government and the State of CT enabled the Sandy Hook shooting. The State created the Gun Free Zone and made it possible for that homocidal maniac to remain free and unattended. Congress et.al. can analyze to its hearts content but until the two above mentioned failings are eliminated they will only be punnishing the innocent for what the criminals do.


25 posted on 01/17/2013 2:27:40 PM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: Uncle Miltie

I signed up day before yesterday - first time


26 posted on 01/17/2013 2:54:50 PM PST by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.u)
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To: Iron Munro

Technically not a tyrant, but Jim Jones also used children as propaganda props. All very chilling. . .


27 posted on 01/17/2013 4:23:16 PM PST by olivia3boys
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To: cripplecreek

Hopefully, it’s the beginning of the Biden defeat.


28 posted on 01/17/2013 5:27:13 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Looks like he’s going full special. Now he’s claiming he heard the gunfire from the shooting at the Amish school a few years back.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2979260/posts


29 posted on 01/17/2013 5:30:12 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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