Posted on 01/17/2013 1:44:17 PM PST by NYer
ALBANY, N.Y. — New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is flexing his political muscle to give abortion advocates their biggest state victory in 40 years since Roe v. Wade: a sweeping expansion of abortion law that, if enforced, would put Catholic hospitals and many state-funded ministries out of business.
Cuomo’s approval ratings have topped 70% for six straight months, and, with just two years in office, he has already pushed through controversial same-sex “marriage” legislation and the most restrictive gun-control law in the nation.
Cuomo, who is Catholic, now is setting his sights on succeeding where governors for the past six years have failed: passing the proposed Reproductive Health Care Act.
But Cuomo has included the act as part of his 10-point “women’s equality” agenda, which includes a raise in the minimum wage, tougher anti-housing discrimination laws and measures against domestic violence and sex-trafficking.
Catholic bishops in New York’s Catholic Conference and pro-life groups are raising the alarm that Cuomo’s proposals are both “radical” and “dangerous” to unborn children, women and religious freedom.
“Gov. Cuomo’s bill elevates abortion to a fundamental right and says New York state can’t discriminate on abortion in benefits or services or anything else it provides,” said Kathleen Gallagher, the conference’s director of pro-life activities.
Cuomo’s legislation, she said, would make illegal abortion restrictions, such as parental-notification laws, informed-consent laws, restrictions on taxpayer funding of abortion and abortion bans of any kind.
The law will allow licensed medical professionals other than a physician to perform first-trimester abortions.
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In 1984, Mario Cuomo pioneered the argument that one may be “personally opposed” to abortion while supporting abortion rights.
Ever since, this convenient locution has become a staple for countless Democratic politicians, particularly Catholic ones. It is Vice President Joe Biden’s view and was Senator John Kerry’s stance when he ran for president in 2004.
The "apple" does not fall far from the tree.
And he’s still a Catholic.
Wouldn’t want to be in his shoes come Final Judgement time.
and the Catholic Church hasn’t ex-communicated him?
25% of all hospital beds are in buildings with the word “Saint” on the door. The Libs want them to close. It will cause a “crisis” and the government will seize the assets.
Really? Really??? Who says? He says? Unless there is some other "Catholic" Church that I do not know about then I will beg to disagree. Vehemently.
Where’s Pope Gregory the Great when you need him?
He should have been a hundred times over. The bishop of Albany is a disgrace.
You can’t be a Catholic and belong to the “Democrat” party I don’t care what the pointy hats say. Since the Demo-coms have booed even the mention of God any politician who claims to be “Catholic” is a lying fraud.
My concern is this guy is so little concerned with issues of right and wrong he probably can't be trusted in anything at all. There's a strong current of thought out there that the Cuomo's are ALL mafioso.
The lack of resistance by the hierarchy (was Cuomo at the Al Smith dinner with Obama?) eases my conscience when my cuts to discretionary spending include the Sunday collections; our hospitals are already closed, our schools are quickly following them, and if the bishops want to preach social justice then I will consider my taxes my contribution forthe upkeep of the less fortunate.
How did we ever get to the position in our country that a person that is under the age of 18 can determine ON THEIR OWN to terminate the life of a child without any parental notification, but that same person cannot walk into a store and buy a lighter? Or cough medicine? Or any number of things?
The argument against telling a parent for safety reasons just smacks of hypocrisy as well. You are protecting a child who is about to kill a child?
That shames the term ‘apostate’ ~ Cuomo was NEVER a Catholic, nor a Christian of any kind, nor a moral man ~ not even as a child. His behavior is that of a stone cold killer ~ a threat to all humanity.
In NYC, I can believe this. But upstate?
Any New York Freepers have any insight?
NYer ~:” Cuomo, who is Catholic, now is setting his sights on succeeding where governors for the past six years have failed:”
No , .. Andy claims to have a Catholic background.
He is no more a Catholic than Pelosi, or Reid a Mormon .
His father should take him across his knee .
When I saw that he wanted to overturn “Roe” ,
I thought his girlfriend was pregnant .
Cohabitation is convienience
Marriage is a sacrament , and a commitment.
Children are part of the cement that reinforces that commitment .
Nevertheless, the Catholic Bishops say little about them, arguing that they need say nothing; the excommunication occurs without their involvement.
I say that's not good enough. By failing to publicly and vigorously oppose these politicians, by failing to publicly, vigorously and certainly state that these politicians are acting contrary to Catholic belief and that these politicians are in fact excommunicated, the Bishops are giving the appearance that these abortionist politicians are acting acceptably to the Church. This appearance is false, even though commonly held. IMO, by their inaction, the Bishops are giving scandal. They are supposed to be leaders, they are supposed to be teachers. They had best get off their butts and lead, and teach. They're frittering away their authority. They remind me of the servant who was given only one talent ...
May God grant them the grace to exercise their office, to lead, to teach, and to sanctify.
Cuomo the Huomo seems to have learned his lessons well from his father ... Mario Cuomo invented the egregious "Pro-choice but personally opposed" sophistry that has led so many folks down the wide road to Hell.
>Cuomo, who is Catholic
Can someone explain why this gun grabbing, baby killing, filthy POS is allowed to soil ANY Catholic Church? With an iron clad hierarchy such as the church, why isn’t this scumbag excommunicated?
In the case of a politician this flagrantly heretical, this defiant of the moral law, the automatic “you’ve excommunicated yourself” cop-out isn’t worth a WET DAMN.
A flagrant public heretic deserves an equally flagrant, equally public, completely unequivocal EXCOMMUNICATION. Bell book and Candle...the old fashioned way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRt2cKvJLlE
This traitor to the Christian faith runs around like a pious crap *scandalizing the faithful*. WHAT THE HELL DON’T YOU GET ABOUT THAT YOUR EXCELLENCIES????? Every liberal POS newspaper positively fetishizes printing the “fact” that he is Catholic in every story.
EXCOMMUNICATE HIM!!!! And if Bishop Hubbard won’t do it let’s have ROME PUT HIS CATHEDRAL UNDER THE INTERDICT until he does.
Dammit, this makes me so mad. Sorry for the shouting.
Worse even than Lieutenant-General Bangs.
The definition of scandal is below, and, wordy, yes, but mandatory reading for someoine drawing taxpayer salary to do one’s homework. That Cuomo, either one, does not understand that “everyone does it” doesn’t mean D during final judgement, should not fool anyone interested in his won final judgement.
Many brilliant, too brilliant, wealthy and comfortable NYers are stupid enough to follow these dopey politicians into H-E-double tooothpicks.
Scandal def. from Catholic Encyclopedia (Thomas is Thomas Aquinas, a doctor of the Church, whose wisdom and holy lifestyle dwarfs either Cuomo’s to the point that most should ingore these two power hungry pursuaders in favor of living correctly and, heck, not killing innocent babies/people.
BTW, Andy Cuomo says, oh and rules on, “you don’t need ten bullets to kill a deer”. OK Andy, even my cousin Vinny Gambini’s girlfriend knows that. What you don’t know is the intent of the 2nd ammendment, as if the framers took the time to write the SECOND (not the 30’th or even the 11th Ammendment) so Americans could kill deer.
Anyway, here’s the definition of scandal, oh politicians who claim Catholicism without so much as reviewing their second grade Catechism (I do not exaggerate, here)
According to St. Thomas (II-II, Q. liii, a. 1) scandal is a word or action evil in itself, which occasions another’s spiritual ruin. It is a word or action, that is either an external act—for an internal act can have no influence on the conduct of another—or the omission of an external act, because to omit what one should do is equivalent to doing what is forbidden; it must be evil in itself, or in appearance; this is the interpretation of the words of St. Thomas: minus rectum. It is not the physical cause of a neighbor’s sin, but only the moral cause, or occasion; further, this moral causality may be understood in a strict sense, as when one orders, requests, or advises another to commit the sin (this is strictly inductive scandal, which some call co-operation in a broad sense), or in a large sense, as when a person without being directly concerned in the sin nevertheless exercises a certain influence on the sin of his neighbor, e.g. by committing such a sin in his presence (this is inductive scandal in a broad sense).
Legislation! Each state determines its own policies, at least for now. Hence, the current governor of NY, Andrew Cuomo, is introducing a bill to provide on demand in this state. AFAIK, this is not the policy in all states ... yet. You still have an opportunity to voice your opinion in your state.
The responsibility for that would ordinarily lie with the bishop. And the bishop of Albany is one of the most liberal in America.
Rome needs to step in here though. This is WAY out of hand. I’m not a canonist, I don’t know what can be done but something has to be done.
They never ex-communicated Fat Ted and then sent him off with one giant church funeral.
Exactly AB. I get the logic that there’s no reason to publicly excommunicate someone for a private sin.
But something this public?? No...this *cannot* be allowed to stand. The response must be swift and severe.
And the swoon over his “Presidential look”.
Not even an idea of the Constitution not from him not from We the people (not us, here).
Lately, I cannot get the idea behind swering on the bible to uphold the Constitution, which is what this upcoming inauguration gala is all about, a one minute (no more) swearing to God to uphold the Constitution in order to perserve the nation, and having just no respect for that, the oath, the constitution, nothing.
It’s not as if this doesn’t come up on judgement day.
I don’t know. It’s like marriage or godparenting. People take an oath and what’s more important is the wagering going on in the back of the church with Jimmy and Danny as to how long the ceremony is going to last and then it’s out to the tailgating on the way into the yacht club.
The women, the wives and mothers don’t care anymore. They’re busy (at the baptism reception of their won child) in the kitchen waxing boisterously about the tube tying procedures they had.
That’s where it starts. at home.
Women, wise up. Tell your husbands, when they act like this horrible excuse of a man, hiding behind his bodyguards, that they are on their way to a very ugly place.
Believe it. It exists.
And without firing a shot!!
Exactly my question. Until the Catholic Church starts to publicly and forcefully excommunicate these anti-Christian baby killers the Church will have zero credibility. If the Church won’t excommunicate a politician who is openly defiant of Church teaching on an issue that the Church is one of its core beliefs, then what does the name Catholic mean any more? And that goes for all the Catholic politicians lining up to support homosexual “marriage” as well. Start standing for something or you’ll suffer the same fate of irrelevancy being experienced by the Episcopalians and Presbyterians.
As long as the Bishops allow him to continue receiving Communion he’s a Catholic apparently.
So why don’t these New York Catholic Bishops get together and tell Cuomo he is no longer a Catholic.
Yep. The Cardinals were there.
...moving from Faux Catholic to full fledged Fake Catholic
Cuomo is a pathetic fraud..goes on TV crying about wanting to protect children yet he favors the murder of innocent children every single day. I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near him when he finally meets his maker, its not gonna be pretty
No, none of these pro-abortion, sodomite “marriage” advocate are Catholic,they forfeited that right when they signed on with Satan to advance their careers. The media needs to start referring to this creeps as Catholic heretics. You can not be a Catholic and be for abortion. Impossible.It is an instrinic evil that is none negotiable.
The jury is still out on Cuomo and who his father really is. Yes, from his rapid leftist beliefs, from abortion on demand, to wanting sodomite “marriage”,to being the biggest gun grabber in the country, you’d have to think he’s a clone of the old man. But looking at his face he looks like the off-spring of Clyde the Orangutan.
Hubbard is terrible and has been terrible for all of his reign. He was one of the “boy bishops,” the very young [raving liberal] bishops appointed after Vatican II. I think he’s pretty close to retirement and IIRC, the Pope has already accepted his letter.
Cleaning up the abuses in that diocese is going to be a long, hard slog.
What do the democrats final end game look like, where are they attempting to take the country?
A so called catholic who would sell his soul for maybe 8 years in the white house.
Can they get a tattoo, which may be considered a form of speech?
They have to do this because all the old abortionists are dying out, and many younger docs just don't want to do them.
Mario Cuomo didn’t pioneer that argument. By 1984, it was already being used by the Kennedys, who learned it from Jesuit priest, and Congressman, Robert Drinan.
But does this foul creature ever actually attempt to even enter a Catholic Church building, much less receive Communion?
As I said, by failing to publicly condemn the man's actions, by failing to publicly reprove him for his very public sinful behaviour, the bishops are giving scandal. They are creating the appearance that his actions are consistent with Catholic belief and practice. This appearance is false, and is a grave danger to many souls.
An abortion sololoquy? That sounds an awful lot like Andy's using Daddy Mario's Political Playbook.
Andy's daddy lit a firecracker under Andy's seat----so Andy's gotta go for it b/c Daddy screwed up his own prez bid.
Mario had it nearly sewed up but then-Gov Mario announced that he could not enter the 1998 New Hampshire primary because of his obligation to manage his state's budget crisis---that was the swan song of his long-running flirtation with the presidency going back to 1988.
He would have been the front-runner b/c expectations were high. Mario had even gone so far as to rush out of the Dem convention as a ploy to enhance his candidacy.
Then Catholic Mario made that radically pro-abort speech at Catholic Notre Dame.
Ut, oh.
Is Andy's PR person booking him for a speech at Fordham?
IIRC, Mayor Doomburg forced medical students in New York to learn how to do abortions.
“And the swoon over his “Presidential look”
Cuomo looks like Elly Mae’s chimp.
Liz: I sense fun here. And no Texan can complain.
JUST PILLOW TALK I hear Sandra’s nickname for Andy is “Squirt.”
And no......that does not refer to Andy’s being an offspring of Mario.
ROTFL.
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