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ATF urges background checks in private gun sales (from the people who brought you F&F!)
Foxnews ^

Posted on 01/17/2013 5:10:12 PM PST by Red in Blue PA

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is encouraging licensed gun dealers to help private gun sellers run federal background checks.

In an open letter to the country's federally licensed gun dealers, the ATF says they can "enhance public safety and assist law enforcement" by facilitating private sales through their businesses and running federal background checks on prospective gun buyers.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: awb; banglist; guncontrol; obama; secondamendment

1 posted on 01/17/2013 5:10:18 PM PST by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

2 posted on 01/17/2013 5:14:09 PM PST by carriage_hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Wouldn’t it be fun to run one on Holder and the ATF officials that were arranging for guns to go to cartel killers?


3 posted on 01/17/2013 5:14:23 PM PST by Truth29
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To: Red in Blue PA

Shouldn’t these jackasses be out pimping guns to some Mexican drug cartel or something?


5 posted on 01/17/2013 5:15:46 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (HealthCare IS NOT a right. The RIGHT to keep and bear arms is.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

This government group should have been gone years ago.


6 posted on 01/17/2013 5:20:05 PM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The statists want registration of all guns so they can confiscate those guns later.

The current administration just like the clinton group is anti-American.


7 posted on 01/17/2013 5:21:00 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I really don’t think that the government understands how many gun purchases /trades are between private parties. Hasn’t the database that is used for guns bought from FFLs been overwhelmed lately? Imagine how overtaxed the system will become if every single private transaction went through the database as well. Buying new guns from dealers is fun and all, but most of the guns that I have ever known, as well as those of my family and numerous friends has been through private purchases or trades for services rendered. I imagine that this is not unique to my little circle.


8 posted on 01/17/2013 5:22:06 PM PST by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Isn’t this a reasonable idea if it’s optional?

Say an individual is selling a weapon and has a buyer they feel might be a bit sketchy, wouldn’t the option of using the local gun shops background check system be kind of nice? Or a collector that sells a lot of guns too and would just feel more comfortable using the gun shops background check system for their private sales? I mean, if it’s optional, it seems okay. Unless I’m missing something?


9 posted on 01/17/2013 5:23:21 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: Red in Blue PA

Their massacre of innnocents at Waco should have been their end.


10 posted on 01/17/2013 5:25:02 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: Red in Blue PA

All would be just wonderful if the little dears were helping us honest citizens have a straightforward venue to find out if a potential buyer is a vicious killer or a psycho. Nah, they want us to tell our life stories, give every bit of our private vital data to the feds and then they’ll tell us that this guy can’t have a gun because he had an unpaid parking ticket in Newark in 1959. We don’t need that kind of help, do we?


11 posted on 01/17/2013 5:26:21 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
So I find out Javier up on C Street has a Jennings .25 for sale. I go find him, show him some money, and say 'Yo quiero fuego'.

He says, 'No, not without a background check'...

12 posted on 01/17/2013 5:27:00 PM PST by real saxophonist
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To: gop4lyf
I really don’t think that the government understands how many gun purchases /trades are between private parties.

Nor do they understand how gun shows really work. The objective of this maneuver is "to close" the much vaunted "gun show loophole".

Yet, around 90% of the sales at gun shows are thru federal firearm license-holders -- who, by dint of their license, must submit background checks. Only a small percentage of gun show sales are conducted by private supplers -- grandma selling the deceased granddad's guns, for example.

This is just another case of the federal regulators being ignorant of the market(and products) they are regulating. But every liberal is aware of "the gun show loophole", so it just HAS to be closed.

13 posted on 01/17/2013 5:32:51 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Red in Blue PA

You walk down the aisle of a gun show with a firearm to sell.

A man walks toward you with a nice rifle.

You stop, talk, wheel, deal, exchange firearms and a little cash, then go on your way. And what is wrong with that?

Years ago, I could make such a deal in the first isle. Then trade of my new aquisition in the third isle.

Then do it again in the 7th isle.

When I leave I may have exchanged guns five or six times.

And how is the NICS going to stop this?


14 posted on 01/17/2013 5:39:05 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: real saxophonist

Your post succinctly points out the INSANITY of the thinking of the antis.


15 posted on 01/17/2013 5:42:25 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Red in Blue PA

What would it take for this recommendation to become law, making it illegal to privately sell weapons without a background check?


16 posted on 01/17/2013 5:43:15 PM PST by tbw2
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

It will be illegal to transfer any weapon at all, without an FFL and the govt giving blessing. What you just described will be about five or six felonies. Or more, if the get created.


17 posted on 01/17/2013 5:50:27 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: real saxophonist

Yes, of course that is how it will work.


18 posted on 01/17/2013 5:53:50 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Longbow1969

“Isn’t this a reasonable idea if it’s optional?

Say an individual is selling a weapon and has a buyer they feel might be a bit sketchy, wouldn’t the option of using the local gun shops background check system be kind of nice? Or a collector that sells a lot of guns too and would just feel more comfortable using the gun shops background check system for their private sales? I mean, if it’s optional, it seems okay. Unless I’m missing something?”

I think the part you are missing is why would any sensible gun owner sell a gun to someone that is a bit “sketchy”? Would you sell a gun to your unhinged, violent, psycho relative?


19 posted on 01/17/2013 5:54:17 PM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: tbw2

If you have to pay a 3rd party(FFL) and utilize a 4th party (FBI) it is no longer a Private sale.

The whole thing is ridiculous.


20 posted on 01/17/2013 5:58:35 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Longbow1969
You already could do this. It isn't anything new. Usually a gun shop would charge you a few dollars for their assistance.

Already if you want to buy a weapon in a "private" sale via internet you have a local FFL send a copy of their license to the seller or their local FFL. The gun gets sent to your local FFL. You go in and pay a fee. Your FFL calls in the background check. You walk out with the weapon. It is actually, not optional for internet sales.

They are just trying to encourage willing participation amongst private buyers and sellers (non-dealers) so they are used to it and won't push back when they make it mandatory.

21 posted on 01/17/2013 6:00:20 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

They might go for it too!

Think of the business it will bring in what with the transfer fees and impulse sales after the sale.....

Kinda like the atf shutting down home business FFL dealers so it funnels folk to brick and mortar operations....

Universal background checks and a national database will be tantamount to universal registration...

Pretty sick


22 posted on 01/17/2013 6:11:24 PM PST by petro45acp (More sheepdogs please...)
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To: Repeat Offender

How will they ever enforce it?
If the law goes into effect on say...6/15/13, and you sell a gun privately after that date that you had purchased prior to 6/15/13 all you have to do is say you sold it prior to the law going into effect.
Currently you could do that with over 300 million firearms and there is no way to prove you sold it after 6/15/13.


23 posted on 01/17/2013 6:12:25 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: caver
I think the part you are missing is why would any sensible gun owner sell a gun to someone that is a bit “sketchy”? Would you sell a gun to your unhinged, violent, psycho relative?

No, not if I knew someone was unhinged or violent. If I was fetching a great price for something I might be tempted to overlook "sketchy" lol. I was just thinking this would be nice if it were optional.

Anyway, apparently this service is already available anyway which I didn't know.

24 posted on 01/17/2013 6:12:30 PM PST by Longbow1969
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Don’t forget to turn in those hicap mags too people!


25 posted on 01/17/2013 6:13:37 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Longbow1969

“Anyway, apparently this service is already available anyway which I didn’t know.”

I didn’t know that you could do that already. I have a problem selling a firearm to someone I don’t know.


26 posted on 01/17/2013 6:16:18 PM PST by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: mylife

When the idiot you sold it to wants a plea bargain......


27 posted on 01/17/2013 6:21:59 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Repeat Offender

And how does he prove the date of purchase?


28 posted on 01/17/2013 6:26:00 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Longbow1969

Only if .gov foots the charge. And records continue to be destroyed within 24 hours. And no paper record is kept.


29 posted on 01/17/2013 8:30:17 PM PST by therut
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To: Red in Blue PA
We need guns to protect us from the guns our government gave to the bad guys.
30 posted on 01/17/2013 10:38:37 PM PST by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: mylife

Five letters - “S-t-i-n-g”.


31 posted on 01/18/2013 11:13:56 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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