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I Went After Guns. Obama Can, Too (Australian former prime minister confiscated 700,000 guns)
The New York Times ^ | 1/16/2013 | John Howard

Posted on 01/18/2013 6:46:02 AM PST by darrellmaurina

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To: darrellmaurina
I wouldn’t presume to lecture Americans on the subject.

Good. Now that we've established that principle, Mr. Howard, please STFU.

51 posted on 01/18/2013 7:38:34 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The Liberal ruling class hates me. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: Washi

My thoughts exactly.

Apparently, the Aussie PM is NOT a fan of the Bill of Rights.

I AM.


52 posted on 01/18/2013 7:39:05 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: darrellmaurina

Come over here and try it.


53 posted on 01/18/2013 7:39:47 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: GladesGuru
I'm afraid many of the younger generation of Americans either don't know or don't care about the difference. They've traded their citizenship with subjection for the price of a measly subsidized existence and all it ‘cost’ the government was another's hard earned dollars.
54 posted on 01/18/2013 7:43:34 AM PST by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: Washi

And that is what makes America UNIQUE & EXCEPTIONAL - from the time of our founding, those old white guys knew exactly what they were doing to create a free country. Australia and New Zealand and Canada followed the British Crown - Clearly, we do not want to emulate these seemingly “nice” countries when it comes to individual freedom as we have in America.


55 posted on 01/18/2013 7:43:39 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: USAF80

“Australia does not have the masses of low lifes like we do here.”

While Australia does not have the black Urban Feral population we have in America, nor do they have the Hispanic illegal immigrants we do have, they have allowed in Muslims.

Bad move on their part as they are now discovering.


56 posted on 01/18/2013 7:45:18 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: muir_redwoods

One word. Constitution. We have one that guarantees our right to arms. Nothing in the down under guaranteed them the right to arms. Ergo, fire up the melting pots.

Carson City. Noon. Saturday 1/19.


57 posted on 01/18/2013 7:49:24 AM PST by rktman (Live the oath you took or get out of office!)
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To: darrellmaurina

Australia was originally a penal colony....

Since they are all desendants of felons....

They wouldn’t pass the background check /s


58 posted on 01/18/2013 7:50:04 AM PST by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: darrellmaurina

This isn’t Australia, we resist tyrants here.


59 posted on 01/18/2013 7:58:11 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: muir_redwoods

The Aussies could have won if they had only stood their ground.


60 posted on 01/18/2013 8:00:50 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: darrellmaurina

Remember when all the PhonyCons were cheering Howard because he did not wimp out on going after Iraq?

Looks like he was a Gun Control Nazi after all


61 posted on 01/18/2013 8:13:24 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (The only automatic weapon is the one Obama uses to take your paycheck)
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To: alloysteel

I’m always reading stories from England about someone going to prison for defending themselves, even in their own home. Wasn’t some rancher here in U.S. sued for defending his property aginst illegal aliens?


62 posted on 01/18/2013 8:13:24 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: darrellmaurina

Remember when all the PhonyCons were cheering Howard because he did not wimp out on going after Iraq?

Looks like he was a Gun Control Nazi after all


63 posted on 01/18/2013 8:13:57 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (The only automatic weapon is the one Obama uses to take your paycheck)
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To: darrellmaurina
Australia, correctly in my view, does not have a Bill of Rights, so our legislatures have more say than America’s over many issues of individual rights

I used to think Howard was one of the good guys, but his statement there says volumes. I'll bet America's mullatto-in-chief was green with envy when heard those words.

64 posted on 01/18/2013 8:19:42 AM PST by ScottinVA (More dizzying than a Tilt-a-Whirl is an around-a-circle argument with a liberal about gun control.)
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To: darrellmaurina

This is the US. Many, many gun owners here are serious about not giving up our guns without a fight. So keep your opinions to yourself...mate.


65 posted on 01/18/2013 8:20:04 AM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: darrellmaurina

“Australia, correctly in my view, does not have a Bill of Rights,”

All politicians are totalitarians at heart.


66 posted on 01/18/2013 8:21:59 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: V_TWIN

“I believe there is a great distinction between people seeking refuge from oppression and fighting for their freedom as our ancestors did and people being relocated from their country of origin to another place...........if that makes any sense.”

Ever hear of “transportation”? It was practiced by English judges and sent many a convict to the “new world” to live in the colonies.


67 posted on 01/18/2013 8:25:58 AM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: GladesGuru

I’m really tired of hearing the British pansy Varney challenge pro-gun people on gun laws. “Why not do background checks?”, he asks.

For some reason, they seem to get wimpy gun rights folks on the show who dance around the question. I want to scream at Varney, “Because they don’t do a bit of good! Gun laws do nothing to stop criminals, they just hassle law-abiding citizens and give the government more power.” Why is this so hard to get?


68 posted on 01/18/2013 8:30:55 AM PST by Pining_4_TX (All those who were appointed to eternal life believed. Acts 13:48)
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To: darrellmaurina
‘John’ you can take your talk and flush it!!!

We have something called the United States Constitution here and the Bill of Rights. We don't have a warden to watch our nation. We have elected representatives who swear an oath to uphold the Constitution which is The Law of The Land here. If those elected individuals don't uphold the law they become lawbreakers. It seems with your attitude that you are running your island like a large prison barracks. Can we send a few lawbreakers your way if need be?

69 posted on 01/18/2013 8:46:53 AM PST by 444Flyer (We are experiencing the perfect storm.)
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To: darrellmaurina

***Six weeks later, on April 28, 1996, Martin Bryant, a psychologically disturbed man...***

So he took them from those who were NOT psychologically disturbed...

But then, I believe they were registered so he knew who had them.


70 posted on 01/18/2013 8:51:56 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: darrellmaurina

***I was elected prime minister in early 1996, leading a center-right coalition. ***

Too bad he was not around in 1942 when the Japs were planning to invade. The danger was so great the Aussies developed a machine gun from their bolt action Enfield to use if an invasion came.

I don’t think the fear of home owned guns would have been a problem then.


71 posted on 01/18/2013 8:55:24 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name! See new paintings!)
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To: darrellmaurina

Another schmuck! The Aussie crime rate went ape.


72 posted on 01/18/2013 8:58:56 AM PST by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: darrellmaurina

“After this wanton slaughter, I knew that I had to use the authority of my office to curb the possession and use of the type of weapons that killed 35 innocent people.”

Well, you see Mr. Prime Minister, that’s the difference between the U.S. and Australia. Nobody in the United States government has that authority of office.


73 posted on 01/18/2013 9:06:17 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Paine in the Neck

I have a friend who moved back to Australia—where she was born.

She is living out and away from the cities & she is terrified of all the tgroublemakers who roam in the countryside. The only protection she has are her dogs—since she cannot have a gun to protect herself.


74 posted on 01/18/2013 9:16:07 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: darrellmaurina

> Also, we have no constitutional right to bear arms ...
The government does not grant the right. The constitution guarantees that they can’t take the right away.
Your government took your rights away, thus, you do not live in a free society, you live in a totalitarian society with limited revokable privileges.


75 posted on 01/18/2013 9:23:11 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: ridesthemiles
"...She is living out and away from the cities & she is terrified of all the troublemakers who roam in the countryside..."

Sounds like they are similar to the Travelers in Britain.

76 posted on 01/18/2013 9:32:23 AM PST by 444Flyer (We are experiencing the perfect storm.)
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To: 444Flyer

Travelers in Ireland as well.


77 posted on 01/18/2013 9:34:23 AM PST by 444Flyer (We are experiencing the perfect storm.)
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To: 444Flyer

Correct spelling is Travellers.


78 posted on 01/18/2013 9:39:57 AM PST by 444Flyer (We are experiencing the perfect storm.)
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To: ridesthemiles

In Australia you have to register your dogs if they are a certain breed and have to post signs on your property. They have “Dangerous Dogs” signs all over.


79 posted on 01/18/2013 9:52:49 AM PST by USAF80
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To: darrellmaurina

We have all the fascists and marxists of the globe egging on our elitists to join them in oppression. First the Chi-coms and now the Aussies.

Americans are really a frustrating people for them to overcome for their vision of a standardized, police state globalism.

Sick freaks.


80 posted on 01/18/2013 10:22:43 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: darrellmaurina

I’m sure people will give up firearms worth in the thousands of dollars so the LEO’s can pick the ones they want for their own collection, then give you a voucher worth about $50 at your local Walmart to purchase stuff.


81 posted on 01/18/2013 11:53:06 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: darrellmaurina

Hey, John.

Kiss off, mate.


82 posted on 01/18/2013 12:26:35 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: darrellmaurina

We fought two wars to be free of the British. Australians just talk about it.


83 posted on 01/18/2013 12:47:26 PM PST by OldNewYork (Biden '13. Impeach now.)
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To: muir_redwoods
I dont know possessed the estimable Aussies to obey your fascistic command

A whole bunch did not. A mere 680,000 firearms were turned in out of an estimated 2.8 million that authorities expected would fall under Australia's ban.

84 posted on 01/18/2013 1:05:43 PM PST by Drew68
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To: G Larry
The Aussies I know, buried theirs in lock boxes.

Yep.

Before people disparage the Aussies too much, they should know that compliance to Howard's gun grab was less than 25%.

85 posted on 01/18/2013 1:09:07 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Delta Dawn

>>The truth is, Australians don’t know real freedom. You are all just a Hitler away from marching to the same tune.<<

The truth is so are we. I wouldn’t expect that there’s currently more than 1% who would fight to their death for freedom today.


86 posted on 01/18/2013 2:01:49 PM PST by B4Ranch (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable-John F. Kennedy)
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To: OldNewYork
We fought two wars to be free of the British. Australians just talk about it.

The irony is that Britain now only has a symbolic monarchy.

But Obama truly believes he is King.

87 posted on 01/18/2013 2:10:13 PM PST by 444Flyer (We are experiencing the perfect storm.)
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To: alloysteel

>>Self-defense that ends in the death or serious incapacitation of the assailant should NEVER be considered to be a crime in the eyes of the law. It should not be that hard, in most instances, to determine if the person who fired the weapon that resulted in death was the perpetrator or the victim.<<

BS! Knock on my door, I say,”Who is it?” You say, “Your neighbor from down the street, Fred” I say, “Come in”. Fred comes in and tries to hand me the garden knife that I left on the front porch.

How do you prove I murdered Fred? After all he was found on the floor with two holes in his head and a knife in his hands.


88 posted on 01/18/2013 2:12:06 PM PST by B4Ranch (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable-John F. Kennedy)
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To: darrellmaurina

Pssst....hey mister “former prime minister”...

We ain’t “Aussies”, mate...

Now go drink a Foster’s and “bugger off” into obscurity.


89 posted on 01/18/2013 4:44:02 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Drew68

I understand that some people truly plundered the Australian turn-in program.

Once I heard a story that the government offered “bounties” for guns and accessories (such as magazines) turned in...and listed a payment of $2 apiece for ten-round SKS stripper clips. Somebody promptly showed up with two oil drums full of empty SKS stripper clips...that the government had to pay for, every one.


90 posted on 01/18/2013 4:49:36 PM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: darrellmaurina
...gun-related murders and suicides fell sharply after 1996

How about gun related crime (not murders)? Did it increase or decrease? And how about crime generally, especially the kind that might have been deterred had people possessed the banned guns?

Gun-related suicides fell but what about other kinds of suicides? Did they increase as people found other ways of killing themselves?

91 posted on 01/18/2013 4:50:23 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: rktman

“...One word. Constitution. We have one that guarantees our right to arms....”

Actually, the ONLY thing that “guarantees our right to arms” is the fact the we ALREADY HAVE THEM, and in vast quantities.

Nothing except the will to fight to retain them “guarantees” it.

If we turn them over meekly and pee on our bellies like scared puppies, then it’s just words on paper. The Constitution is a contract, ink, and parchment, nothing more, unless we as a people have the will to fight to uphold, protect, and defend it.

The disdain and disregard of this admin towards that document shows that pretty clearly, I’d say.

Capisce?


92 posted on 01/18/2013 4:50:36 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

Some Aussies say it all at about 1:35 (not for the easily offended):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCLzHvPdSrE


93 posted on 01/18/2013 4:53:33 PM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: Travis McGee
What do you call 0bama's heavy use of drone strikes in Pakistan?

PRACTICE FOR HERE.

94 posted on 01/18/2013 4:57:29 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: M1903A1

Personally, I have NOTHING against the Aussies. I worked with a bunch of them many years ago, a couple of whom were former SAS guys.

Toughest SOBs I ever met. And man, could those guys drink.

Guarantee THEY never turned in their weapons.

Like everywhere else, socialists get control of governments, and the people either go along with it, or they don’t. Same result everywhere - these people get control and F*** up everything they touch.

It is, and always has been, a world-wide conspiracy, and that hasn’t changed. We just joined the ranks, that’s all.


95 posted on 01/18/2013 5:02:08 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: darrellmaurina
Australia, correctly in my view, does not have a Bill of Rights, so our legislatures have more say than America’s over many issues of individual rights, and our courts have less control.

Disagree of course, but look at the second part of his statement. He has an interesting point. Our Bill of Rights effectively takes our rights out of the legislative realm and into the judicial realm. Which has the effect of subjecting our rights the whims of a few individuals in black robes. This is okay as long as they interpret the BOR according to the original intent, but you get a few Obama appointees in there and all bets are off. This is the tradeoff that comes with having a Bill of Rights.

96 posted on 01/18/2013 5:03:44 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: M1903A1

HAHA!!! Best response ever!!!

Thanks for sending!!! Love it!!!


97 posted on 01/18/2013 5:13:44 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: 444Flyer
Obama knew when he was very young that he would someday be King. He etched his name in concrete at school in Hawaii.. Elitist, arrogant, self-absorbed POS:


98 posted on 01/18/2013 5:15:08 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: M1903A1
I understand that some people truly plundered the Australian turn-in program.

Yep! If you look closely at this 1996 photo originally printed in the New York Times, you'll see many of the weapons turned in at this buy-back location in New South Wales consist of rusty bolt actions and single-shot shotguns --weapons that weren't even banned to begin with.

Not a whole lot of "assault weapons" in that photo, is there? I see one SKS in the upper right.

So of the 680,000 firearms turned in, how many of those were actually banned versus how many were just people taking the opportunity to get good cash for old junk? In light of this, compliance was probably far, far less than the 25% I posted earlier.

99 posted on 01/18/2013 5:22:15 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

but he didnt call himself obama back then?


100 posted on 01/18/2013 5:23:39 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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