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How the NRA is winning
The Washington Post ^ | January 18, 2013 | Chris Cillizza and Aaron Blake

Posted on 01/18/2013 9:22:20 AM PST by MinorityRepublican

It’s easy to think that in the wake of Wayne LaPierre’s angry press conference and the National Rifle Association’s tin-eared web video on President Obama’s daughters that the NRA is losing — and losing badly — in the fight over the proper place for guns in American society.

Easy and likely incorrect.

The National Rifle Association is at the center of a debate on guns and gun control.

There’s little doubt that the inside-the-Beltway crowd and those who have been longtime advocates of more gun control laws are outraged by the brash style that the NRA has adopted following the shootings in Newtown, Conn.

But, there’s also plenty of evidence to suggest that the NRA is regarded entirely differently in the country at large. Polling conducted by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal this week showed 41 percent of people had a favorable opinion of the NRA, while 34 percent viewed it unfavorably, a margin largely unchanged from a similar survey conducted in January 2011.

And a look at the longer-term trend line on views of the NRA by Gallup suggests a striking consistency in the overall impression Americans have of the gun rights group.

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1 posted on 01/18/2013 9:22:21 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
The leftwingtards in the comments sections at the Post have been reduced to name-calling when it comes to gun rights.

They also refuse to come to grips with Chicago's gun problem ~ tight restrictions and a very high rate of gun death ~ particularly when it comes to killing children.

The left is simply not prepared or this.

2 posted on 01/18/2013 9:25:13 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: MinorityRepublican

Jay Carney: NRA Ad “Repugnant And Cowardly” (Surprise! Carney’s kids also attend Sidwell Friends!)

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2978758/posts


3 posted on 01/18/2013 9:25:35 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: MinorityRepublican

To the Washington Post it’s “tin eared.” To the rest of the country it’s “common sense.”


4 posted on 01/18/2013 9:29:06 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Soon the "invisible hand" will press the economic "reset" button.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Isn't the "right" guaranteed specifically by the Constitution clearly superior to the Federal police, who are not mentioned in the Constitution?
5 posted on 01/18/2013 9:32:05 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: MinorityRepublican

I think if conservatives would take the stand to repeal the Patriot Act, this gun control attempt would fade away.


6 posted on 01/18/2013 9:33:32 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: MinorityRepublican

Americans hate hypocrisy. So far I haven’t seen any evidence that regular Americans didn’t get the message. What we have is a ruling class outraged it got caught in a double standard.


7 posted on 01/18/2013 9:35:22 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: MinorityRepublican

Reasons for using a gun:
1] shoot animals
2] shoot muggers
3] shoot government agents

The first two are not questioned. It’s the third that is questioned in this age as impractical or sloping toward a banana republic instead of a more perfect democracy.


8 posted on 01/18/2013 9:35:55 AM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: Cowboy Bob

I dunno. I am thinking when push comes to shove that only the South will stand, ans who knows for how long even they will be able to hold the line.

It concerns me that we are still not organizing together. Maybe it’s better we don’t. We become a clearer target organized. That’s the purpose of these registration changes, all folded into the Obamacare spy machine.


9 posted on 01/18/2013 9:37:33 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

I agree and have posted as such. Put all the intrusive laws since 9/11 on the table.


10 posted on 01/18/2013 9:37:51 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: MinorityRepublican
advocates of more gun control laws are outraged by the brash style that the NRA has adopted

If Republicans were to adopt this same style things would be a lot different in Washington, DC.

Good thing the NRA isn't adopting their style, instead. Gun owners would be toast.

11 posted on 01/18/2013 9:41:32 AM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

They have awakened a sleeping giant. Democrats are alienating more groups of people including gun owners. The Dems are showing that they are the party that hates the 2nd ammendment and the rest of the Constitution as well.

There must be large numbers of Democrat voters who are gun owners. Now they are wondering why the Democrats are targeting and demonizing them. The extreme rhetoric and the zeal to punish gun owners even publishing their home addresses in newspapers is shocking millions of Americans and they are seeing who the enemies are—the Democratic Party and the liberal media. They will never trust them again. It is often said that a conservative is a liberal who has just been mugged, many Democrats have just been mugged by their own party and the liberal media and this will be a lesson that they will rememember for a lifetime.


12 posted on 01/18/2013 9:41:37 AM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Lincoln’s suspension of habeas corpus lasted a lot less time than this Patriot Act (and Lincoln’s suspension was grounded in specific Constitutional language).


13 posted on 01/18/2013 9:41:49 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: MinorityRepublican
RE :”It’s easy to think that in the wake of Wayne LaPierre’s angry press conference and the National Rifle Association’s tin-eared web video on President Obama’s daughters that the NRA is losing — and losing badly — in the fight over the proper place for guns in American society.”

Like idiots Joe and Mika who declared the NRA dead a few days ago.

Obama is a huge fundraiser for the NRA and if he cant get anything voted on in the House then the Dem Senators who go along with it who are up for 2014 will be a bit worried having stuck their necks out for nothing..

14 posted on 01/18/2013 9:43:35 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to O is NO principle!)
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To: MinorityRepublican
But, there’s also plenty of evidence to suggest that the NRA is regarded entirely differently in the country at large

From two feminine left coast elitist who are clueless & out of touch and are dumbfounded everyone doesn't think like them.

15 posted on 01/18/2013 9:45:31 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: MinorityRepublican
...that in the wake of Wayne LaPierre’s angry press conference...

Note the subtle - yet lacerating - lie of this propagandist. I saw the entire press conference live and La Pierre displayed no anger, even when the protesters interrupted him on two separate occasions. LaPierre was calm, empathetic, and plainly articulate. To outright LIE and say that he was "angry" is code for LaPierre is a racist.

16 posted on 01/18/2013 9:46:45 AM PST by Obadiah (Of course Obama wants to protect our children. After all, who else is going to pay off his debt?)
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To: RitaOK

[[I dunno. I am thinking when push comes to shove that only the South will stand]]

Wil l even the south stand? NY sure as hell isn’t standing up for hteir rights-

[[It concerns me that we are still not organizing together.]]

Which is precisely why I asked you whjat I did- The south, east, midwest, west should ALL be organizing i nsuch a strong manner that NY and our government get the loud and clear message that Nope- Not on our watch you’re not goign to take away our guns or enact impossible laws on our watch!- period!”

NOONE is organizing

[[Maybe it’s better we don’t. We become a clearer target organized]]

I dissagree- years ago the fed gov attmepted to push some assinien lawe on Aemrica, and states immedfiately banded together and said they would NOT compyl with hte obvious violation fo hte constitution=- and hte govenrment was forced to back down because the government got hte message that if they wetre goign to violate the people’s rights, the peopel were goign to take mattrers into their own hands and protect their rights the way our founders enabled us to- through force if necessary- but preferably through non violent civil disobedience measures liek a concerted effort to withhold tax payments, brign class action lawsuits, refuse to comply- etc etc-

IF enoguh peopel organize, it CAN and will work- that is the power of the peiople IF they want to retain their rights- But again- I see noone organizing anywhere- not even in the south- After unconstitutional laws get passed- even in the south, it’;s too late, because the peopel won’t motivate themselves to fight it-


17 posted on 01/18/2013 9:49:05 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

[[Isn’t the “right” guaranteed specifically by the Constitution clearly superior to the Federal police, who are not mentioned in the Constitution? ]]

Yes- The constitution makes it very clear that WE the peopel are responsible for protectign our constitutional rights- not congress, not pres, not surpeme court- WE the people- that is why they went to great lengths givign us hte right to own guns and spelling out how we need to go abotu protcting our rights-


18 posted on 01/18/2013 9:50:54 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: ex-snook
Reasons for using a gun: 1] shoot animals 2] shoot muggers 3] shoot government agents

Priority takes the reversal order.

19 posted on 01/18/2013 9:51:40 AM PST by Digger
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To: muawiyah

Or this... what?

(ducks! Sorry couldn’t resist... 8^)


20 posted on 01/18/2013 9:56:49 AM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The GOP could learn a lesson or two from the NRA.

Defend your principles unapologetically, and attack mercilessly any who oppose them. Don’t appease. Don’t apologize. Don’t waver. Don’t compromise.

SnakeDoc


21 posted on 01/18/2013 9:59:09 AM PST by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: RitaOK
I am thinking when push comes to shove that only the South will stand, ans who knows for how long even they will be able to hold the line.

For sure if the NRA, GOP, and other organizations don't start putting their money where their mouth is and put out ads. It's clear the press is for Obama, repeating ad naseum phrases like "gun violence" or "gun lobby" to mold public opinion. We honestly have to get smart and get our own phrases out there. It's about "freedom from an oppressive government" or "fighting tyranny".

If we keep playing nice, don't commission focus groups to find ways to reach the American public and fight back, if we don't call them any names for fear of looking bad (like they just did with the NRA ad that didn't even call names) we are going down. When some idiot news freak comes out with something like "NRA targeted President's kids" we have got to start calling them out by name. Make them publicly defend their twisted reporting. As is they are free to use the word "targeted" without consequence. Words have power and we're letting thm run the board with their spin.

22 posted on 01/18/2013 10:00:52 AM PST by Kenny (<p)
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To: muawiyah

The ‘f’ key stics ~ so does the ‘k’


23 posted on 01/18/2013 10:09:08 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: jimbo123
Dear Jay Carney, sweetheart baby snookums: The NRA ad was effective because it told the TRUTH about your gun grabbing boss. Deal with it. [Suicide would be appropriate.]
24 posted on 01/18/2013 10:09:16 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: sickoflibs

How many Democrat Senators come from pro-gun states?


25 posted on 01/18/2013 10:10:20 AM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: MinorityRepublican

[[But, there’s also plenty of evidence to suggest that the NRA is regarded entirely differently in the country at large. Polling conducted by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal this week showed 41 percent of people had a favorable opinion of the NRA, while 34 percent viewed it unfavorably,]]

Well there you go folks, the NRA ‘is popular’ so they ‘are winning’- Forget the FACT that peopel all across this coutnry are losign hteir rights because they refuse to stand up to the chicago thugs and california thugs, and ny thugs, and and and (fill in the blanks)... thugs takign their rights away- the fact that the NRS is ‘popular’ with htose same popel who REFUSED to stand up for their rights- apaprentrly in soem people’s minds, eqautes to ‘winning’? Unbeleivable!

apprently we’re all goign to be sittign aroudn UNARMED and DEFENSELESS and slapping each other on the back and exclaiming ‘The NRA ‘won’- they are popualr with hte people”

Where is the Martin Luther King of the NRA? Where is the CHurchill? Where is the voice that unites and motivates the peopel to ACTION?

Instead we have ‘Lapierre givign an ‘angry’ itnerview’ and we’re suppsoed to beleive that his angry looks and demeanor is goign to stop the left fro mtrampling our rights?

Wayne gave the left the stink eye folks- don’t panic- the left is abotu to wilt any second now.... any second now..... wait for it.... (oh that’
s right, the NRA also put out an ad too- That’ll teach those Wascally no good lefties that we’e ‘serious’ abotu our rights [Not that we’ll actually act to protect our rights- but boy will we give them a piece of our mind and make htem ‘tremble in their boots’!)


26 posted on 01/18/2013 10:10:55 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: MinorityRepublican

[[How the NRA is winning]]

The NRA is ‘winning’? REally? Because I think millions of NY’ers and Millions of Chicago folks woudl dissagree! Ask the folsk in ‘gun free zones’ where it’s now ILLEGAL to own or possess a gun if the NRA ‘won’ in those districts!

Claimign that because the NRA ‘hass them ‘thinking’ that the ‘NRA is ‘winning’ Is a crock of crap- The left KNOWS NO SHAME- EVER! You can NOT force a leftie to regret ANYTHING they do- nor can you make them admit they were wrong- they are NEVER goign to have a ‘comming to Jesus moment’- The ONLY thing these thugs udnerstand is force- force them to lose their income- force them to back down by throwing htem out of office through immediate impeachment processes- Force them to answwer to the people isntead of the peopel beign forced to answer to them-

The NRA is NOT winning the war- they are only ‘winning minor skirmishes’ that amount to nothign more than a pisshole i nthe nsow- When I see the NRAQ leadign the amerrican peopel in an organized effort to EFFECTIVELY resist gun laws and mandates- and when I see the peopel standign up for their rights by refusing to comply- and hwne I see the fed gov and state gov’s backign down because they fear for their jobs and income- THEN and only then I will cede that the NRA is winning and not until then

NRA- the left doesn’t give a crap whether you or the peopel are ‘outraged’- outrage does NOTHING- UNLESS it is acgted upon- when you get that- lemme know, and I mgith concider donating again-


27 posted on 01/18/2013 10:11:17 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: MinorityRepublican
... the National Rifle Association’s tin-eared web video on President Obama’s daughters...

That video must've really left a mark on the lefties!

28 posted on 01/18/2013 10:17:04 AM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: cradle of freedom; MinorityRepublican; NFHale; Impy
RE :”How many Democrat Senators come from pro-gun states?

At your command!


29 posted on 01/18/2013 10:20:15 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to O is NO principle!)
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To: sickoflibs

Thanks. And everyone a two-faced fraud.


30 posted on 01/18/2013 10:26:12 AM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom
RE :”Thanks. And everyone a two-faced fraud.”

They havent voted yet,
hey,
Reid (on the list) comes from NV and there was NO excuse for losing that 2010 race against him. Now he's safe for another four years(from now) .

31 posted on 01/18/2013 10:30:48 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to O is NO principle!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

*


32 posted on 01/18/2013 10:32:22 AM PST by BunnySlippers (Yes, they have. Don't you read?I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: CottShop

It really must burn your hide that the NRA is actually being effective.

It must further anger you, the 250,000+ membership they have gained in one month.

hehhehheh


33 posted on 01/18/2013 10:34:21 AM PST by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Hey Rush, you forgot to tell us when to panic.)
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To: CottShop; Kenny

We 2A defenders don’t know our own numbers, regionally especially. The NRA is doing all the heavy lifting. Maybe that’s it, and maybe it’s enough, but maybe it isn’t.

The NRA is busy in hand to hand combat politically, and are a strong arm, but wondering here about creating an umbrella organization, on the public field, under which all the local shooting clubs and training interests across whole regions could come together under one name and in tandem with one another to educate and inform, by way of one agenda, the CONSTITUTION, one mission, one curriculum, one effort.

Moochelle is doing it. She is now headlining Organizing for America, morphing that under the name of Organizing For Action.

Now, WTH does THAT mean? How about 2A defenders going more activist, and ORGANIZING FOR THE CONSTITUTION.


34 posted on 01/18/2013 10:34:35 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

And we have ended the war on Iraq, and are ending the war on Afghanistan. Only the war against Americans will remain.


35 posted on 01/18/2013 10:36:53 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: CottShop

‘”Lapierre givign an ‘angry’ itnerview’ and we’re suppsoed to beleive that his angry looks and demeanor “

He never gave an angry interview. As stated above, even when hecklers started screaming, he was polite and waited as they were escorted out. He made well reasoned points, and gave no angry looks.

And we do not need a single messiah on guns like an MLK, or whatever. We need to attack them on a wide front, NRA leader here, GOA leader there, a Mayor who stands up, a Sheriff who announces he won’t enforce, Wyomig saying they will arrest feds who come to enforce illegal gun laws there, Yeagers angry video, the Texas congressman who says he will intrduce articles of impeachment, etc etc.

They need to feel the heat from a hundred directions. We don’t need one magic leader who will immediately be given the media rectal exam. They need to be overwhelmed.


36 posted on 01/18/2013 10:37:30 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

[[Given that, the NRA’s goal — unstated, of course — is likely to keep what Congress passes on the small side in terms of impact.]]

And we all know how ‘effective’ capitulation is- just ask Israel how effective compromising is for them- The NRA SHOULD BE (but won’t of course) looking the govenrment flat in the eye and saying NO NEW GUN LAWS- YOU HAVE ENOUGH LAWS ALREADY- YOUR FAILURE TO ENFORCE THEM SHOULD NOT BE BLAMED ON AMERICANS- and if you try to force new gun laws on us, you will see an uprising that you in your feeble little minds NEVER imagiend coudl happen- because you folks, ladies and gentlemen, WORK FOR US- NOT the other way around- We the people ARE NOT your servents- and until you get that through your thick skulls, You’ll have a very clear lesson to learn the hard way”

buit of course- all we reallty get from the NRA is capitulations, compromises, and the leader givign congress the stink eye- then backign down when songress flexes their musckles.

[[the organization almost certainly recognizes that some sort of measure(s) restricting gun rights is likely to be made law.]]

REALLY? you ‘Recognize’ that do you? Are you a mouse or a man mr NRA? When are you goign to make it perfectly clear to congress that if they can’t enforce the massive maount of laws they already have, that they are NEVER goign to enact new laws because we won’t let them>? When are you goign to make it clear to them that it is ‘DEFINATELY CERTAIN that we the people are NOT goign to be pushed aroudn by our govenrment and made into criminals just for ownign guns, any logner?

When are you MR NRA goign to realize that cross loocks and silly ads and approval ratings have ZERO effect o nthe left? Millions of Aemricans are sendign the NRA billions of dollars- what the hell are you doign with that moneY? Adn why the hell aren’t you standign up for us and organizing the members to peacefulyl resits en mass so that oru govenrment gets a loud a lcear message that we are NOT goign to be bullied any logner?

And Washington post- please stop writign and printign assinien fictional stories abotu how the NRA is ‘winning’- America is LOSING (whiel the NRA higher ups make millions) and america HAS BEEN LOSING for a logn time now. What she needs is an effective leader and motivator- not a person who thinks that waggign a figner at the left is an effedctive means of standign up to them!


37 posted on 01/18/2013 10:38:07 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: cradle of freedom
there are a lot of democrats who are gun owners, which is why Congress including the Senate won't be acting on anything more than trivia any time soon.
38 posted on 01/18/2013 10:38:56 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: jimbo123

You know you’re over the target when you started getting flak.


39 posted on 01/18/2013 10:39:21 AM PST by Ancesthntr (Banning guns to prevent crime is like banning cars to prevent drunk driving.)
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To: cradle of freedom
There must be large numbers of Democrat voters who are gun owners.

They like to be safe and unraped in their own homes just like the rest of us.

40 posted on 01/18/2013 10:41:40 AM PST by Tonytitan
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To: All

how many law suits have been filed in NYS?


41 posted on 01/18/2013 10:42:10 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: MinorityRepublican

RGR up 25% in one month.


42 posted on 01/18/2013 10:43:30 AM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: Digger
Nice list. Kind of redundant though.
43 posted on 01/18/2013 10:45:03 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: CottShop

“Because I think millions of NY’ers and Millions of Chicago folks woudl dissagree! Ask the folks in ‘gun free zones’ where it’s now ILLEGAL to own or possess a gun if the NRA ‘won’ in those districts!”

The NRA cannot save dip$hits in those states who insist on electing state governments openly hostile to gun ownership and freedom.
Those states fill their legislatures and governorships with leftist thugs. Explain to us how the NRA could ever influence policy in such states? The populace there is the sole author of their own misery.

How disingenuous, to elect such a state government, then whine that the NRA won’t wave a magic wand and make them gun friendly. lol


44 posted on 01/18/2013 10:45:35 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

[[1. The NRA is already in the midst of a membership boom,]]

Well good for hte NRa- they get to make even more money as peopel have hteir rights stripped away one NRA compromise with gun opponents at a time-

Our forefathers fought and died TRYING to protect our freedosm from tyranical governments- they died at the hnds of their governments- they bled out on battlefields, ordied horrible slow painful deaths due to infections- And our response to current tyranny is to give the left angry looks? and tsk tsk them? and compromise with htem?

It’s sad watchign a nation lose it’s soul and becoem a passificst socialist nation- and to refuse to fight for their rights- but it’s even sadder watchign this all happen and watching the right crank out one article after antoher claiming victory- The boat IS sinking WP- thaks to peopel like you assurign everyoen htat everythign is ok while the hull falls away beneath us-


45 posted on 01/18/2013 10:46:27 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: jimbo123
Jay Carney: NRA Ad “Repugnant And Cowardly” (Surprise! Carney’s kids also attend Sidwell Friends!)

But it's ok to bring other children in for the photo op of his 20+ Executive Orders.

46 posted on 01/18/2013 10:46:46 AM PST by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: cradle of freedom

so what?

we have a new healtcare agency which congress any any future president can not control.

we now have a new “violence” agency which is out of the control of future presidents and congress.

essentially only kafka bureacrats will rule. next it will be “please enjoy this year’s hunger games.”


47 posted on 01/18/2013 10:51:29 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Good idea


48 posted on 01/18/2013 10:52:54 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: DesertRhino

[[The NRA cannot save dip$hits in those states who insist on electing state governments openly hostile to gun ownership and freedom.]]

As i understand it, upper state NY is mostly conservative- and could possibly be rallied IF there were soemone capable of motivating poeple- When the revotls and resitance movements i n this coutnry began, they started otu with 1/3 of the people (2/3’s didn’t want to resits in order to protect their rights)- and while the city areas do have lots of liberals, you woudl be surprised at how many closet conservatives there are too- the problem is lack of motivation, lack of encouragement- they see their state as lost because, well, because the left has convicned them it is-

[[How disingenuous, to elect such a state government, then whine that the NRA won’t wave a magic wand and make them gun friendly. lol]]

It is NOT the gun owners (who almsot exclisively are conservatives- except of course for the guards surrouinding the leftists), and htese folsk for them ost part did not vote for thse thugs in office- the problem is that the right is a minority- it’;s larger than peopel think I’m sure- but they are not to blame- they don’t have anyoen representign them or standign up for, or even motivating them themselves to take action-

It’s NOT a lost cause IF (and agreed- it’;s a huge IF) IF a leader can emerge to guide them-


49 posted on 01/18/2013 10:53:36 AM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop
Use spell check or stop posting. Your illiteracy is embarrassing.
50 posted on 01/18/2013 11:05:41 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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