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Like It Or Not, 3D Printing Will Probably Be Legislated
The Crunch ^ | 1/18/13 | John Biggs

Posted on 01/18/2013 12:56:41 PM PST by DBrow

As the race – and it’s basically a race – to release as many 3D-printed gun parts as possible heats up, it’s never been harder for me to come down on the side of the “Freedom To Tinker” crowd. Last weekend Defense Distributed, a group dedicated to releasing plans for a 3D printed gun, posted a video and description of their 3D-printed AR-15 thirty-round magazine. The video, which is, unnecessarily, full of snarky vitriol, shows that, on some level, the 3D printed gun isn’t very far off. It also shows that the call for 3D printer legislation could soon overpower the call for freedom.

The problem with childish displays of firepower coupled with “How’s that national conversation going?” is that it proves that the folks who are doing this tinkering are less than responsible. They feel that this is a freedom of speech issue rather than a gun control issue. It’s abundantly clear that the lads at Defense Distributed are enjoying their newfound notoriety and, like a boy band on their first tour, they’re ready to trash some hotel rooms. The resulting shenanigans have convinced Congressman Steve Israel (D-NY) to call for the banning of undectable 3-D printed high-capacity magazines. He updated his website yesterday, writing:

Rep. Israel said, “Background checks and gun regulations will do little good if criminals can print high-capacity magazines at home. 3-D printing is a new technology that shows great promise, but also requires new guidelines. Law enforcement officials should have the power to stop keep homemade high-capacity magazines from proliferating with a Google search.”

The law would “make it illegal to manufacture, own, transport, buy, or sell any firearm or magazine that is homemade and not detectable by metal detector and/or does not present an accurate image when put through an x-ray machine.” It is a noble if quixotic goal.

Politics, as we’ve learned, is woefully unprepared to handle major technological advancement. While Israel means well, his ability to keep an 3D model off of Google is laughable at best and dangerous at worst. As a gun control proponent, I know that now, more than ever, we need sane and effective controls on weapons in our country. As a believer in the unfettered growth of technology, on the other hand, I will defend Defense Distributed to the death while hating their crass methodology. Israel’s efforts only serve to give the DD kids a frisson of the martyr while avoiding the real problem of non-3D printed guns that are far more prolific and far easier to obtain.

The danger in legislating 3D printers is that it is on one hand impossible and on the other hand potentially damaging to a nascent industry. We have no idea what these printers will be able to do in the future and the best a home 3D printer can do, really, is punch out something like this handsome Nokia case. That will soon change. Again and again I equate this technology to the way dot matrix printers eventually begat the desktop publishing features available to even the rankest of amateurs today. However, a printed page can never be used to kill someone.

To use a 3D printer is to understand the current limitations of the platform and the potential inherent in the technology. It is a wonderful feeling to watch a Makerbot churn out a little plastic figurine and I want my kids to understand this fascinating technology from the very start. The potential damage that could be wrought by 3D-printing legislation could, potentially, destroy the industry but I doubt it. In fact, I’d say it would do the opposite. Technological advances usually route around damage and, in this case, legislation is damage.

But DD is going to keep at their project and benighted congress members will keep thinking they can, quite literally, nip this problem in the bud and they will be wrong. Whatever comes next for 3D printing, I doubt it will be very pleasing to those who are more worried about defending free inquiry


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 3dprint; freedom; guncontrol; secondamendment; undetectable
Undetectable gun parts, again. 3D printing will be seen as a danger, aside from the intellectual property issues.

There may be a future where many common objects we used can be customized and printed at home, at need.

This won't happen if the government becomes afraid.

1 posted on 01/18/2013 12:56:45 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

Bloomberg’s stooge Israel’s bill is DOA.


2 posted on 01/18/2013 12:59:23 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Probably. And Obama can’t win with the economy like this. lol

Someone will move to regulate 3d printers. A lot of the stuff we go to Target to buy could be printed in the near future, and the Targets, WalMarts, and Kroegers won’t like that.


3 posted on 01/18/2013 1:02:23 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

3D printing could be the steam engine of a new industrial revolution. The U.S. is in danger of legislating itself right out of the race.


4 posted on 01/18/2013 1:05:00 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: DBrow

If you could poop C4 by eating a combination of foods, they would regulate that too.


5 posted on 01/18/2013 1:05:34 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: DBrow

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013/01/18/nokia-3d-printing-gigaom/1845283/

Or handgrips for a 1911...


6 posted on 01/18/2013 1:07:40 PM PST by DBrow
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Another unenforcable lae


7 posted on 01/18/2013 1:08:26 PM PST by rstrahan
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Ah! I see you have tried my venison chili.


8 posted on 01/18/2013 1:10:21 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow
Law enforcement officials should have the power to stop keep homemade high-capacity magazines from proliferating with a Google search.”

Bwhaaaa! Congressman Dufus actually thinks the government has the power to remove something from the Internet! I guess he doesn't understand that nature of the Internet and the fact the once something is put out there it will NEVER truly disappears.

9 posted on 01/18/2013 1:11:32 PM PST by apillar
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To: apillar

Well, one thing that used to be on the net was an article or two about Abbie Hoffmann visiting the Carter White House while on the FBI Wanted list.

Carter was instrumental in helping Abbie come clean, serve some time, and re-enter society. Abby dated Amy Carter for a while.

But try to find ONE reference to his meetings with Jimmy Carter! Scrubbed clean. It can be done.


10 posted on 01/18/2013 1:14:23 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow
Like it or not, I will continue to ignore stupid legislation.

/johnny

11 posted on 01/18/2013 1:16:50 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DBrow
Yes, the first to protest and urge 'regulation' would be the manufactures and companies that would be threatened.

On the other side, the possibilities are endless. Less waste, pick up your refill cartridges at recycle centers, pick up your print out at Walmart, etc. It could really change many things if it is carried out to the fullest.

12 posted on 01/18/2013 1:28:10 PM PST by Theoria
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To: rstrahan
Regulation of the raw materials they use.

Ammonium nitrate... terrorist.
Plastic cube... terrorist.

13 posted on 01/18/2013 1:31:05 PM PST by CygnusXI (Im back!)
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To: DBrow
I'm not worried. Firearms and replacement parts will always be available. After all, did Prohibition stop us from drinking? Has the war on drugs prevented anyone from getting their poison of choice on nearly every street corner? Have laws in gun-free Mexico stopped cartels from arming up with the latest military hardware, to include fully automatic weapons? The government can pass all the laws they want, and it's apparent that unconstitutionality isn't a consideration, but in the end the black market will fill the void created by shutting down America's civilian firearms industry.
14 posted on 01/18/2013 1:33:32 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Theoria

“Yes, the first to protest and urge ‘regulation’ would be the manufactures and companies that would be threatened.”

And in the article, it’s GUNS again threatening the CHILDREN, not home printers threatening the annual bonuses of CEOs.


15 posted on 01/18/2013 1:34:22 PM PST by DBrow
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To: AlaskaErik

I saw a video of an illegal firearms factory in either Pakistan or China. Small foundry, lathe, milling machine.

The sort of thing you could do in a garage.


16 posted on 01/18/2013 1:36:36 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

They might make laws, but it won’t actually stop anything. I know people that make their own guns the hard way (with steel and effort), probably against the law already, doesn’t stop them. That’s the fun part about converting raw materials, if the materials are legal it doesn’t matter if the verb is or isn’t, people will do it. As long as there’s enough thing to do with 3D printing that the general populace wants that core technology available outlawing certain printed objects will be meaningless.


17 posted on 01/18/2013 1:41:03 PM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: discostu

I agree. Until the oppressors grow so strong they can keep us away from fire and metal there will be guns.


18 posted on 01/18/2013 1:50:02 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow
Small foundry, lathe, milling machine.

I have those tools in my shop. I also have files and hammers. I'm a fairly dangerous man, I suppose.

/johnny

19 posted on 01/18/2013 1:55:53 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Well, according to the article you are not really dangerous until you add a 3d printer.


20 posted on 01/18/2013 2:03:37 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

I can dig it...


21 posted on 01/18/2013 2:07:26 PM PST by Homer1
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To: DBrow
I guess that means I should start shopping for one. Anything to offer the statists a single digit.

/johnny

22 posted on 01/18/2013 2:10:44 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: null and void

ping


23 posted on 01/18/2013 2:11:41 PM PST by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: DBrow

Does anyone know if CNC machines are regulated?


24 posted on 01/18/2013 2:14:11 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Small foundry, lathe, milling machine. I have those tools in my shop. I also have files and hammers. I'm a fairly dangerous man, I suppose.

So if we go to Harbor Freight and buy tools will we have to a a Federal Tool ID too?

that is where this lunacy is going....

Look I am not a fan of this Printing Revolution, and without getting into it, I was involved with a precursor like technology eons ago.

For better or worse I know to much about Material Certs, Normalizing, Heat-Treating etc etc to make me dangerous. I do not see the Metallurgy here to make a connecting rod, crankshaft for a Small Block Chevy let alone the critical parts of a Firearm.

So with they restrict 3D Modeling and the accepting 3D CAM software to go from art to part too?

25 posted on 01/18/2013 2:17:13 PM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: ConservativeInPA

I know of no regulated CNC machines. You do need to register Class 4 lasers in some states, but that’s more for safety than it is “regulating” who has laser cutters and shapers.

Also you can get CNC programs for gun parts (don’t tell anyone).


26 posted on 01/18/2013 2:18:00 PM PST by DBrow
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To: JRandomFreeper

Like it or not, I will continue to ignore stupid legislation.
/johnny

Citizen nullification, I call it.


27 posted on 01/18/2013 2:19:08 PM PST by Joe Bfstplk
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To: taildragger

Someone made an AR lower that worked for 6 shots. If they had used stainless and sintered it, it may have shot more. So it can be done.

In a few years, who knows, maybe a barrel if you print metal with a polymer binder then heat treat.


28 posted on 01/18/2013 2:20:37 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow
3D printer legislation

Ahahahahahahah, breathe, ahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

The clowns who inhabit our Congress (House and Senate) don't understand technology beyond the level of a door knob (and I'll bet some of them are challenged with that). I always say if you put 100 politicians in a room with 100 cases of food and 100 can openers, they'd all starve to death.

29 posted on 01/18/2013 2:21:35 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The Liberal ruling class hates me. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: DBrow

Maybe, binders and sintered are cool don’t get me wrong, but for now it is gears for your window mechanism in your car door, not some high stress item. “Single Crystal” technology is sort of related, but I don’t see this being done by a laser it complicated.


30 posted on 01/18/2013 2:24:30 PM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: taildragger
I do not see the Metallurgy here to make a connecting rod,

Don't need it. Lost wax method still works for things that don't need tight machining.

Just cast your connecting rod from the computer created wax model and do a little clean up machining.

Won't work with crankshafts, but 5 axis numeric controlled machines can do that. And those are getting cheaper, too.

/johnny

31 posted on 01/18/2013 2:24:44 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Casted rod maybe for the lawnmower, not for a Drag Car. Yes lost wax is cool and the molds could be done via the printer, they are doing it now in fact. On the cranks, they are using a 5 axis with a welding rod in the hand of the robot if you will and are building things like fuselage bulkheads for the F-35 with just some finish machining needed. a crank could be made this way, I am not sure about the gran structure etc, but if it good for an F-35 Fuselage, it’s got my attention.


32 posted on 01/18/2013 2:29:55 PM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: Hardastarboard

Oh I know, any such legislation would be written by someone else with some financial interest. The pols I have spoken to see most tech as complex ununderstandable magic.

This is understandable since many of them see “politician” as a career, while our Founding Fathers saw it as an unpleasant but needed interruption to the businesses they ran.


33 posted on 01/18/2013 2:30:53 PM PST by DBrow
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To: taildragger

The big thing to keep in mind when thinking about 3D printing is disposable. A lot of those high stress items don’t need the same durability as before because you’ll replace the item after a couple of uses. If you can 3D print something in under a day with material costs of under $50 you don’t need that something to be of durable quality. So sure the printed gun will be one you go through 2 or 3 full loads before it’s too worn and discarded, it’s OK because you printed 6 of them last week. Some work needs to be done to make that failure non-hazardous, but these things have to potential to bring the disposable lighter revolution to a lot of products.


34 posted on 01/18/2013 2:34:35 PM PST by discostu (I recommend a fifth of Jack and a bottle of Prozac)
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To: Hardastarboard
3D printer legislation
Ahahahahahahah, breathe, ahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

Lol, I agree, laughable. So maybe ten to twenty kids will experiment making plastic parts. Meanwhile thousands of punks in the ghetto can buy real guns from gangsters. Like criminal punks care about laws. Idiot politicians.

35 posted on 01/18/2013 2:43:50 PM PST by roadcat
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To: DBrow

I didn’t thing CNC machines were regulated. Maybe we shouldn’t be talking about this and give the government any ideas.


36 posted on 01/18/2013 2:45:17 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: DBrow
"...Law enforcement officials should have the power to stop keep homemade high-capacity magazines from proliferating with a Google search.”

No, it shouldn't. There is nothing wrong with law-abiding citizens from having full capacity magazines. And criminals will be criminals by definition.

Limiting magazine capacity only makes criminals out of law abiding citizens.

37 posted on 01/18/2013 3:47:48 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: DBrow
3D printing is part of a new paradigm which is the wave of the future. Democrats are fighting it with 1930's style central government "progressivism." The future will run right over the democrats. The future will actually look quite a bit like the decentralized past, where a neighborhood blacksmith was perfectly capable of making a weapon, and nothing endangered the republic.

The other part of the new paradigm is social networks. This is also a decentralizing force. If we are connected to the networks that can help us, why have an opressive government?

38 posted on 01/18/2013 4:05:58 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: apillar
Bwhaaaa! Congressman Dufus actually thinks the government has the power to remove something from the Internet!

Just like laws can't stop drugs, they can't stop guns. Gee. Hard as it is to swallow for some, maybe we'll have to try morality again.

Of course, you can't legislate morality. The fix will have to come from someplace deeper. That's the challenge.

39 posted on 01/18/2013 4:36:39 PM PST by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: Yo-Yo

“Limiting magazine capacity only makes criminals out of law abiding citizens. “

And gives a gang of yoot with baseball bats the edge over a single victim.

And gives the oppressor forces more leverage. That’s the real issue, the oppressors know full well what the Declaration of Independence and Second Amendment mean to their plans. So no AP, no mags, no military arms, no body armor...


40 posted on 01/18/2013 7:13:22 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow
While Israel means well,

No, he does not. He means evil.

I am through with being nice or giving these people the benefit of the doubt. They are swaggering tin plated petty dictators with delusions of godhood.

They want helpless people who must follow whatever dumb rule they pull out of their filthy butts.

No. More.

41 posted on 01/18/2013 7:22:28 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Promotional Fee Paid for by "Ouchies" The Sharp, Prickly Toy You Bathe With!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

“I am through with being nice or giving these people the benefit of the doubt.”

We have to wake the sheeple up.


42 posted on 01/18/2013 7:30:41 PM PST by DBrow
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To: apillar
Bwhaaaa! Congressman Dufus actually thinks the government has the power to remove something from the Internet!

Unlike people, who can be made to disappear at the wave of a hand.

43 posted on 01/18/2013 9:35:07 PM PST by itsahoot (MSM and Fox free since Nov 1st. If it doesnÂ’t happen here then it didn't happen.)
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