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State Police Identify Weapons Used In Sandy Hook Investigation; Investigation Continues
The Newtown Bee ^ | January 18, 2013 | Newtown Bee

Posted on 01/18/2013 2:12:13 PM PST by Uncle Chip

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To: Uncle Chip
Yep.

The "с" is pronounced like the "s" in "snake"

The "а" is pronounced "ah"

The "и" is pronounced "ee"

The "г" is pronounced "g" as in "gun"

The second "а" is also pronounced "ah".

"sah ee gah"

IOW, "Saiga".

They looked at the characters on the side of the gun and just substituted the most similar looking English letters.

See for yourself here: http://tts.imtranslator.net/Nqbl

151 posted on 01/18/2013 8:06:39 PM PST by FLAMING DEATH (I'm not racist - I hate Biden too!)
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To: Uncle Chip
That question of yours does not even deserve to be dignified with a response. You still don’t get it.

So then, you have not been authorized by a moderator or an operator of FR to stifle posters who dissent from your opinions regarding what may or may not have happened during the Sandy Hook incident.
152 posted on 01/18/2013 8:10:04 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Uncle Chip

153 posted on 01/18/2013 8:10:26 PM PST by FLAMING DEATH (I'm not racist - I hate Biden too!)
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To: Resettozero

Oh really — tell me more, oh great Karnak.


154 posted on 01/18/2013 8:14:25 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Are you referring to this official press release by the state police as a “sales pitch”???

Now that's just a plain ol' bait and switch of questions to deflect having to give a genuine response. I've noticed you and a few of the posters who agree with your rendering of the Sandy Hook incident story use this tactic often on FR Sandy Hook threads.
155 posted on 01/18/2013 8:15:14 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: FLAMING DEATH

The reporter transcribing probably just threw up his hands and said: “it all looks like Greek to me” as he was Russian out the door.


156 posted on 01/18/2013 8:20:39 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Oh really — tell me more, oh great Karnak.

You and your sidekicks have been making a mockery of recent discussions on these FR Sandy Hook incident threads by placing labels (such as Sandy Hook Truthers and other names) on those who do not agree with your accounts and then by applying standard Alinsky tactics, such as this one against those who have questions about what may or may not have happened that day.
157 posted on 01/18/2013 8:22:41 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Uncle Chip
Oh really — tell me more, oh great Karnak.

While there is the possibility you do not know that you are using hateful Alinsky maneuverings in your dealings with FReepers you do not like, you ARE using those tactics nonetheless -- as well as just generally being snotty.
158 posted on 01/18/2013 8:30:52 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

So then can I assume by that answer of yours that you accept the press release today by the state police as a matter of fact.


159 posted on 01/18/2013 8:35:28 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
That question of yours does not even deserve to be dignified with a response. You still don’t get it.

You have chosen not to answer a question you CAN answer, while demanding answers to comments you machine-gun toward those who do not necessarily agree with your characterization of Sandy Hook events. No, I don't get it.

Again, the question I asked you in sincerity: Have you been requested or authorized by a moderator or an operator of FR to stifle or intimidate posters who dissent from your opinions regarding what may or may not have happened during the Sandy Hook incident?
160 posted on 01/18/2013 8:41:19 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

You have my answer. And you have my question:

So then can I assume by that answer of yours that you accept the press release today by the state police as a matter of fact???


161 posted on 01/18/2013 8:48:10 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
So then can I assume by that answer of yours that you accept the press release today by the state police as a matter of fact.

You may presume that your efforts to trump up alternate questions to divert from what is being said directly to you -- to your face -- are repeatedly insulting to this FReeper's intelligence. One might presume you are not an authority on the Sandy Hook incident and are here to cause strife with dissenting FReepers whenever you can.
162 posted on 01/18/2013 8:49:29 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

Was that question too hard for you???


163 posted on 01/18/2013 8:51:36 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
You have my answer.

Anyone who wanted to read yours and my exchanges on this and other such threads -- and that would include you and your sidekicks -- would discern that you have just lied and have not answered, one way or another, whether this task you've undertaken to personally attack FReepers you do not like has been requested or authorized by a FR moderator or site operator.

As for your substituted questions that divert attention from your lying accusations and labelings of me and other posters...it's late. Thank you for the opportunity to confront you and for your responses to me.
164 posted on 01/18/2013 9:00:39 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Uncle Chip

If the police really said “clips” then they are retarded gun grabbers.


165 posted on 01/18/2013 9:11:49 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Uncle Chip
The case remains under investigation.

Better hurry, before los federales bulldoze the place.

166 posted on 01/18/2013 9:13:19 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature
a 10mm glock? they exist (Glock G20) but that is an odd weapon.

Especially unusual for a woman. The FBI discontinued use of the 10mm, mostly, because women agents, and many men, couldn't handle the recoil. Thus was born the .40 S&W, via a downloaded 10mm, which S&W realized could be done as well in a shorter case, with the advantage of allowing a smaller overall pistol.

167 posted on 01/18/2013 9:17:33 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Uncle Chip
I wonder if that is what he means here by a 30 round clip -- two 15s taped together.

That wouldn't make any sense either. No place to tape them except on the ammunition itself, and then you couldn't get it into the magazine. Maybe he meant two 30 round magazines taped together. That works, because a 30 rounder is so long that taping across the bottom of the mag, with each reversed relative to the other, leaves enough "free" to insert into the mag well.

168 posted on 01/18/2013 9:21:09 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Uncle Chip
"A man with a gun who was spotted in the woods near the school on the day of the incident was an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town, according to the source."

Who was the person that one of the students witnessed "handcuffed on the ground"?

169 posted on 01/18/2013 9:24:32 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: ought-six
we used Club 1903s to hunt javelina). It was chambered in .30-06,

That's an awfully lot of round for javalina. AR or AK would be a much better Javaelina round. Or .45 ACP in a carbine for that matter. Maybe a lever action .45 Colt or .44 magnum. Marlin camp carbine in .45 ACP would be great.

170 posted on 01/18/2013 9:30:13 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Uncle Chip

Single-issue volume posting is indicative of obsession or agenda.

I didn’t ping you because I don’t have time for either.


171 posted on 01/18/2013 9:34:21 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Boogieman
So you're a sort of self-deputized speech cop. Groovy.
172 posted on 01/18/2013 9:42:20 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Resettozero

I don’t even have a theory about this. I just know that power-mad men of no conscience are capable of anything and everything. Understanding that well-established fact, I take “official” accounts of major events like this for what they’re worth: absolutely nothing.

That being said, we’re never going to know exactly what happened in SH. Anyone who claims otherwise is simply a fool, no matter how stridently they claim it.


173 posted on 01/18/2013 10:03:43 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: FLAMING DEATH
That's "саига 12"

саига is pronounced "saiga".

Now that's an even stranger weapon for a woman to have in her gun safe.

174 posted on 01/18/2013 10:20:07 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: hiredhand

175 posted on 01/19/2013 12:53:16 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (I think, therefore I am what I yam, and that's all I yam - Rene "Popeye" Descartes)
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To: El Gato

That would be nice to know. I doubt that it was Manfredonia or the off-duty officer. But as Vance said, when the dispatch went out thee police swept the surrounding area and detained everybody and anybody they could find to make sure no one got away.


176 posted on 01/19/2013 4:53:48 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: jjotto
Shame on you for posting this! We have a group a FReepers who have conclusively proven that none of these weapons was used except maybe the pistols./s

Yes - they allow themselves to be diverted from the important facts by grasping at insignificant rumors and end up looking like those who claimed that there was no difference between Romney and Obama - how's that working out for everyone?

177 posted on 01/19/2013 4:57:47 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Single-issue volume posting is indicative of obsession or agenda.

Are you obsessed with counting my posts??? What's that an indication of???

Perhaps you should start your count prior to December 14th when Sandy Hook became an "obsession" for those affected by it and an "agenda" for those trying to take advantage of it, including the Sandy Hook Truthers.

I try to post what's relevant and verifiable to the question and the thread. Am I to assume that what set you off here is my posting of this official press release from the state police that everyone has been waiting for. If that's indication of obsession and agenda to you, then you need to find another graveyard to whistle past.

178 posted on 01/19/2013 5:20:17 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Ha!


179 posted on 01/19/2013 6:34:47 AM PST by FLAMING DEATH (I'm not racist - I hate Biden too!)
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To: El Gato

<>That works<>

“Investigators said Lanza was wearing ear plugs when he fired approximately 150 rounds using a method called “jungle taping,” in which two magazines are taped together so he could re-load faster. He also switched magazines before they were empty, sometimes only shooting 15 of the 30 rounds.”

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/still-no-police-report-or-toxicology-results-sandy-hook-killer

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2979791/posts


180 posted on 01/19/2013 6:44:27 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

From this description, using equivalent of a mag clamp, the type of particular weapons, appears the nutjob studied or was trained, maybe attending a tactical shooting seminar with mom or dad. The SIG Sauer P226 is one of the best handguns in the world, the Glock 20 also particular because harder to find ammo and more of a reloading piece for proper high powered loads. The shotty and AR more combat oriented. So someone in the family new their weapons. Should have kept Paxil boy or whatever the hell he was on away from them and sharp objects. His mental health needs to be investigated.


181 posted on 01/19/2013 4:05:39 PM PST by TheBigJ
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To: Uncle Chip; All

At least 2 long guns (rifles) were in the car.

The shotgun was clearly shown in helicopter footage.

Another long gun is also shown being removed and carried away in helicopter footage. It is difficult to see that it was the AR but it was shorter than the shotgun and had what appeared to be front and back pistol grips.

NBC news ran an on-air report that came from ‘multiple sources’ that 4 handguns were used and the AR-15 was left in the car. To my knowledge they have never retracted or corrected that report.

Finally, personnel on site could not tell the differnce between a 9 mm and .223 wound? Amazing.


182 posted on 01/20/2013 4:40:54 AM PST by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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To: cyclotic

Many thanks. I had not seen or heard that mentioned anywhere.


183 posted on 01/20/2013 4:53:40 AM PST by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: Uncle Chip
Actually, there are a LOT of unanswered questions about Sandy Hook.

Sandy Hook Massacre Official Story Spins out of Control

184 posted on 01/20/2013 5:34:28 AM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica (Get in touch with your galtitude!)
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To: bluecat6
At least 2 long guns (rifles) were in the car.

That's not true. Only the Saiga [Canta] was found in the car and was removed along with its grey carrying case later that night. Look carefully at the videos -- it's a shotgun and its grey carrying case.

NBC news ran an on-air report that came from ‘multiple sources’ that 4 handguns were used and the AR-15 was left in the car.

Wrong. You heard wrong. And what they said was also wrong and they admitted it in the evening broadcast and apologized for it. And since then have never repeated it.

Finally, personnel on site could not tell the differnce between a 9 mm and .223 wound? Amazing.

Wrong. The ME at his press conference on December 15th said that all the wounds he had seen thus far in the autopsies he had done came from the "long weapon" -- the rifle.

185 posted on 01/20/2013 5:36:39 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
Actually, there are a LOT of unanswered questions about Sandy Hook.

"were" not "are".

That article is dated: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 17:21 CST.

We all had the same questions and more on that date but most of them have since been answered satisfactorily. However there are some people that are just never satisfied no matter what you give them.

186 posted on 01/20/2013 5:45:17 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature

I agree...

Most women shooters I have known, both experienced and new to the culture, have shot both the .40, and the bug daddy of that one, the 10mm...

Both give a pretty good bark, and keeping them down on target takes a lot of tolerance and practice...

My wife never liked the .40, so when she wanted to shoot something a littl ediffferent than the 9mm, she went and shot my .45, and she loved it!!!

So, in conclusion, it is apparent that the experience helped me discover that we (she) had to get a new aquisition in another Springfield 1911, money well spent a few years ago if you ask me...And the rest is history...


187 posted on 01/20/2013 6:27:56 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature

What I meant by my last post, was that since ALL these weapons apparently were the shooters Mom’s...Seems to me she might not have been the one choosing this particular pistol...If she did, she is sounding more and more like someone who really did know her way around a firearm(s)...


188 posted on 01/20/2013 6:31:54 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Uncle Chip; All

You sir are incorrect, the reporter stated that Federal and State Officials informed them, not “other sources”.

I looked at the video several times and the entire length of the casing was reflective when it was cleared and it certainly did not appear to be the diameter of a 12 ga. The Saiga comes in many flavors including .223. All of them are very similar in construction so mistaking one for the other is very easy, especially as grainy as that video is.

There is just so much misinformation coming out (on purpose) and as the administration appears to be losing the argument with the general population, the need to “evolve” the story to support their overall goals is apparent.

The only thing that NBC News was “wrong” about is that someone apparently told the truth and got their ass handed to them by someone they feared more than the truth.


189 posted on 01/20/2013 6:35:58 AM PST by mazda77
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To: Uncle Chip

I heard wrong. And what they said was wrong...??????

So which is it? Did they say something I did not hear correctly or did they provide inaccurate information from multiple sources and then later retracted it. The broadcast is easy find, the retraction or correction - not so much.

This is MSM stuff from a day after the incident. Not the fog of reporting during the real time reporting.

And why is a person committing a Class D Felon according to Connecticut laws allowed to go free without being investigated.

http://newtownbee.com/News/News/2012/12-December/2012-12-27__14-58-27/Police+Union+Seeks+Funding+For+Trauma+Treatment

“A man with a gun who was spotted in the woods near the school on the day of the incident was an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town, according to the source.”

So an ARMED person was on the grounds before the shooting started???

This person was described as a father of a student, and other things. But now the closest MSM source - the local paper - confirms the presence of a gunman in the woods? But it is not the subject of any other reporting? Amazing.

BTW, before arguing he was a police officer and not a gunman. My definition of a gun man is an unauthorized person with a gun on the property of a mass shooting. That is called a gunman. And he was committing a Class D felony:

http://www.cga.ct.gov/current/pub/chap952.htm#Sec53a-217b.htm

Sec. 53a-217b. Possession of a weapon on school grounds: Class D felony. (a) A person is guilty of possession of a weapon on school grounds when, knowing that such person is not licensed or privileged to do so, such person possesses a firearm or deadly weapon, as defined in section 53a-3, (1) in or on the real property comprising a public or private elementary or secondary school, or (2) at a school-sponsored activity as defined in subsection (h) of section 10-233a.

There are explicit exceptions and most require school administration approval - even for a police officer.

“(c) Possession of a weapon on school grounds is a class D felony.”

So no tin foil hat required for these reports - right from the MSM. 4 Handguns, no long rifle used and a gunmen on the gounds other than Adam Lanza.

No corrections or retractions.


190 posted on 01/20/2013 6:44:35 AM PST by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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To: Sacajaweau

FWIW, the CT medical examiner had previously said all the shooter’s victims were killed with the .223.


191 posted on 01/20/2013 6:44:58 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Iscool

I don’t believe that was the trunk of the shooter’s car. They emptied his trunk out during the day. That appears to be a nighttime shot of LEO’s arming themselves from an official SUV.


192 posted on 01/20/2013 6:49:47 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Uncle Chip

“— it’s a shotgun and its grey carrying case.”

This is the first of a grey carrying case I have heard about. Is that from an official report?

Or is someone really trying to trial balloon this line of hole plugging.


193 posted on 01/20/2013 6:51:27 AM PST by bluecat6 ("All non-denial denials. They doubt our ancestry, but they don't say the story isn't accurate. ")
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To: headstamp 2

http://www.minutemanreview.com/2008/09/clip-vs-magazine-lesson-in-firearm.html


194 posted on 01/20/2013 6:52:32 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: mazda77
Listen to it again. Pete Williams initially says "Federal sources" and then as if an after thought adds "and state sources" -- including the state police in his erroneous report.

Within hours of that erroneous report those "state sources", aka the state police held a press conference with the ME telling the world, in so many words, that Pete Williams was wrong.

195 posted on 01/20/2013 6:57:45 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: bluecat6
So an ARMED person was on the grounds before the shooting started???

Where in that article does it say anything about it being "before the shooting started". He may have just responded to the police dispatch that went out over the aire and responded according to procedure and found later on that AM in the woods.

196 posted on 01/20/2013 7:02:56 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Theoria

I was thinking the same thing, but I think the 15 round clip is a product of confusion. The MSM heard “30 round” and “2 clips taped together” and jumped to an uneducated conclusion. I dont believe a 15 round mag protrudes out of the reciever far enough to conveniently tape to anouther mag. Besides, why would someone with access to a fairly large collection of firearms get the 15 round mags?


197 posted on 01/20/2013 7:05:11 AM PST by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: bluecat6

There are two videos from different views of them accessing the trunk. The one shows what appears to be a Saiga with shells being ejected. The other shows a person removing what appears to be the shotgun from the trunk and another reaches in and removes what appears to be its carry case or cover.


198 posted on 01/20/2013 7:07:07 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Iscool

Gallows humor. Me and several friends had to step outside to control laughter at my best friends funeral. I joked with a family member who lost his 2 yr old son that weekend. The body looks for a reason to laugh when you are down enough.


199 posted on 01/20/2013 7:09:03 AM PST by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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Theories abound about the events at Sandy Hook


200 posted on 01/20/2013 7:24:19 AM PST by deport
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