Skip to comments.Debt Limit, the GOP, and Picking the Right Fight
Posted on 01/19/2013 6:57:48 AM PST by KaslinEdited on 01/19/2013 7:00:27 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
In an ideal world, Congress would not raise the debt limit.
This would force – automatically and immediately – a balanced budget. More important, it would produce a meaningful reduction in the burden of government spending.
And contrary to hyperbole from defenders of the status quo, it doesn’t mean default since the federal government collects about ten times as much revenue as needed to pay interest on the debt.
(Excerpt) Read more at finance.townhall.com ...
I keep hearing how "This is the wrong time - we have to pick our battles".
I am sick of it!
How long will they wait for the "right fight" to come along before they get engaged and actually fight!?
We gotta TEA Party BIG TIME next year or the 2nd Amendment is all we have left!!!
The GOP is going to be picking the right fight. It has been two years and they have not found the right fight yet.
There's a long wait where a train don't come.
When is the El Alamein or the San Jacinto?
Don’t raise the debt limit,starve spending to death.
The list is becoming longer all the time. Picking the right fight isn't the real issue these days. The issue, IMHO is we have so few elected 'R' Pol's that are not willing to stand up and fight for those who put them into office. Too many are cowards afraid to rock Obamas boat, afraid they will be called out and made fun of, afraid they won't get invited to WH dinners and other pol functions. Screw Obama and his merry band of thugs and their bullying tactics.
And the Republicans are wondering why they have so few supporters anymore. Old saying applies here, "No guts, no glory".
They haven’t been picking any fights. They’ve been on a purely defensive footing for so long that they think not being in the fetal position is an aggressive stance.
Alinsky Rule 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have”.
We only have the House. Without the Senate we are helpless. Don’t you get it?
You are exactly right. Those who want to raise the debt ceiling assume the country has an never stopping flow of money.
Totally agree. Just BRING IT ON....Let the media have a hay day like they did with the Wall Street protest groups as this will bring from the shadows those who are just sitting at home watching OWN and collecting their Food Stamps, Section 8 Housing, Child Subsidies, etc. benefits and living large! Let’s REALLY see IF conservative’s statements about unemployment hovering around 11% or more are true!
We will be worse than Europe rioting!
How long will they wait for the “right fight” to come along before they get engaged and actually fight!?
The article suggests that the Continuing Resolution is the right place to fight. Since 60% of even low information voters agree that cuts should be made, the House Republicans appear to have a stronger hand here.
The House Republicans appear to believe that the right place to fight is over the FY14 budget. That is why they say they passed a bill to raise the debt ceiling for 3 months, with the condition that the FY14 budget must be passed or Congressional salaries will be held up.
I agree that the Republicans would have a better chance of winning either of these two battles with the low information voters ... but I am not going to hold my breath waiting for them to win, either.
- Come on, kid. Get in there. Engage.
- You’ve got a bogey at two o’clock.
Take the shot, kid.
You can engage any time, Maverick.
- Where the hell are you going?
- It doesn’t look good.
What do you mean? It doesn’t get
to look any better than that.
Hey, man. We could have had him...
I’ll fire when I’m damn
good and ready. You got that?
- He won’t engage.
- It’s only been a few days.
- He just might not make it back.
- Keep sending him up.
The GOP will not fight for anything until they control the White Hut, the House, AND the Senate. Then they will wage war on liberalism (maybe).
I get it Kas. I respectfully disagree. We are not helpless. We simply need to sell it and put the heat on the dims. We can do it with Penney Plan. The American people will support it. But nothing happens if we don’t have the spine to promulgate and defend the position and then force the implementation by withholding further funding until we move down the path fiscal responsibility. If we don’t start fighting the pubbies are finished as they are loosing their real supporters in droves. And they are close to loosing me and I am a life long pubbie since 1964. So I kinda consider myself a pubbie.
Leftest propaganda from Town Hall. Let just keep upping the Federal deficit until the Dollar and the economy are destroyed. Let keep obligating the Young and the unborn to a ball and chains. This so that the Takers can Take a bit longer from those who only give. This is the most selfish Generation that ever existed.
Ain't that the truth? I know that I'm considering my options -- and, like you, I've been GOP since Goldwater.
In fact, all those polls that claim the Republicans are losing ground and are "out of touch" are basically reflecting the Republican base! It's not "the country" they're losing, it's their own voters!
But, fools that they are, they're talking themselves into "moving toward the middle" in order to gain support from "moderates".
"Stupid Party", indeed.
I got a for you. Townhall.com is not the author of the article, it only published it. So if you have something to complain, complain to the author firstname.lastname@example.org not Townhall.com
Btw he is far from being a leftists, as is Townhall.com
No. Deep spending cuts NOW.
No future Congress can be obligated by one from the past, so you’d reduce it 1% for one year, if at that.
We need the Fair Tax, except for the prebate; the poor should, again, beg/barter/grovel for anything from their fellow Man; not be given ‘free’ $$ from the Gov’t from the taxpayers unwilling pocket.
When everyone sees what they are paying THEN something will get done.
I am with you on taxes. The ONLY tax this nation should have is a national retail sales tax. I don't agree with any predates etc. Everybody pays, nobody skates. BUT...the constitution will need to be amended. I have developed a number of ideas for amending the constitution. Not because the constitution is and of itself flawed, rather our present constitution is wholly inadequate to control an immoral and unjust people. Especially the political class. And I must say the only way to get these needed changes to the states for ratification will be an article five convention. Congress would never approve the amendments I have in mind because in total they will destroy the power of congress to enslave us. And also the courts and the executive branch. This must be done if we are to remain free. The national sales tax and its rate would be codified in the constitution. The ability of congress to lay and collect taxes would be revoked. Their ability to borrow money limited by requiring three quarters of the state's legislatures approval for any one borrowing authorization. There are others such as; elimination of income taxes, property taxes, and judicial review. Repeal of the seventeenth amendment. The elimination of all federal transfer payments. Amount others. All designed to put the federal government into its proper role. I know it is ambitious.
Still, one Congress can’t obligate any future; so in theory it works for only one year; hence the ‘drastic’ cuts YEAR ONE. Enough of the phony 5/10 yr. plans that don’t do squat.
2nd, only TAXPAYERS will feel they have some say finally; the moocher class is still (IMHO) over 50% and winning; there’s no guarantee of any true Constitutional leaning (I wouldn’t trust a GOP as far as I could throw ‘em) and thus, any true repeal of our Republic ‘founding’.
Like you, I don’t see D.C. giving up the power they’ve co-opted from the People. No judge, who signs their checks, is going to put them in their place (one flaw...again IMHO). As long as this was the SINGLE issue, I’d say yes, go for it, but many a State (CA, the NE corridor) would try to co-opt to ram more shit.
I’m not too keen on the 23% in the Fair Tax either. They call it ‘revenue neutral’....is that neutral to the true function of gov’t per the Constitution, or the current rate? Is the latter, it can be MUCH lower, letting the States deal w/ the rest. I think we should fight using the 9th, 10th and Art. 1 Sect 8; using the words of those of the Founders and have the Left/Judges spinning on their eyebrows trying to re-think some of the most brilliant minds of the time.
It doesn’t seem that the current GOPe is going to do anything to benefit the People anyhow...might as well go full gusto @ the State level and tell D.C. to F* off and restore the Republic (cut off all funding in the process)
I believe you are referring to the article five convention here. The beauty of the article five convention is hat congress must forward any convention approved amendment to the states for ratification. Congress doesn't have a choice. Since the states must ratify any suggested amendment, the opportunity for the marxist states and cities to commit mischief checked. Nonsense simply won't be ratified. And ratification is on a state by state basis so we have a chance to correct progressive evil. Still, I won't hold my breath.
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