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James Shuls: Why We Need School Choice/ (Math Instruction/ Another Reason to Homeschool)
http://www.educationnews.org/education-policy-and-politics/james-shuls-why-we-need-school-choice/ ^

Posted on 01/19/2013 11:06:58 AM PST by wintertime

Throughout the country, lawmakers have discussed expanding educational options for students by establishing charter schools or allowing public dollars to go to private schools. Yet bills that legislators proposed often failed to gain much traction; in part, because opponents of school choice often hail the traditional system where children are zoned for a local public school based on their address. Some view this method of delivering public education as the model because democratically elected officials control the schools on a local level. Though democratically controlled local school districts meet the needs of many students, they simply cannot satisfy the needs of all families. Many families, mine included, have found the traditional system to be frustrating and unresponsive.

In this essay, I describe the problem with the democratic process regarding public education from my perspective. You may be inclined to agree or disagree with my conclusions about math pedagogy after reading my story. Nevertheless, this story is not written to convince you one way or the other in terms of math instruction. Rather, my story illustrates the difficulties a parent faces when attempting to exact change in his child’s school. In the 2011-12 school year, my children spent 100 days in a traditional public school. I did not anticipate pulling them in the middle of the year, but my wife and I could not come to terms with how the school was educating our children. We sought change, but in the end, we were left with only two options: subject our kids to a style of instruction we felt was ineffective or place our children in a private school. We chose the latter.

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This article is about a father ( also an "educator") and his frustrating interaction with the government schools with regard to the insane math instruction programs currently in fashion.

Conservatives! Please understand that reform is not possible. What is needed is to begin the process of privatization of K-12 education. Our nation's schools are the very definition of a socialist-model, single-payer, compulsory, and godless entitlement.

When was it ever possible to reform a socialist, single-payer, compulsory, and godless entitlement? Answer: Never! Therefore...Conservatives, give it up! Government schooling can not be reformed. Remove your children. Urge others to do the same.

1 posted on 01/19/2013 11:07:05 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

“another reason to homeschool”

haha.. . there’s just about a thousand reasons!


2 posted on 01/19/2013 11:08:54 AM PST by AtlasStalled
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To: AtlasStalled
“another reason to homeschool”
haha.. . there’s just about a thousand reasons!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Many more reasons than I can count.

4 posted on 01/19/2013 11:13:47 AM PST by wintertime
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To: metmom

Another Reason to Homeschool

If these parents who are “educators” themselves had this much difficulty with the government school system, imagine what it is like for parents who are not so well connected.


5 posted on 01/19/2013 11:17:50 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
Please do not post to me or send private mail to me for the duration of this thread. Please comment as you wish on the topic of the thread or my comments. Please feel free to use my name but please no contact.

If you are so adamant about opting out of the discussion, perhaps you should just refrain from posting altogether.

6 posted on 01/19/2013 11:33:28 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: wintertime

As a single father of four, I sent all my kids thru private school, but did homeschool for a couple years.

Best thing I ever did. My youngest is now 33, oldest 43.


7 posted on 01/19/2013 11:35:54 AM PST by umgud
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To: wintertime; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

8 posted on 01/19/2013 11:48:02 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: wintertime; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

10 posted on 01/19/2013 11:49:00 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: wintertime

““This is crazy,” I thought to myself, so my wife and I scheduled a meeting with the teacher. During the meeting, I brought up my concerns about our son not being able to use the standard algorithm to solve math problems. She informed me the district had adopted a math program where they were focusing on “deep understanding,” a phrase I would come to hear often in the coming months.”

What REALLY angers me here is the ATTITUDE of the parents, when they ‘discover’ that their kids are being shafted by our government-educational complex.

I can ALMOST PROMISE YOU that this guy had been warned, probably MANY times, about just how bad things are - yet he, NO DOUBT, blew off those people as Tea Party types, and just laughed it off. “Of course the schools wouldn’t do anything that dumb” he would say to himself, while finding out the laws for committing his former friends to the happy farm.

So, like Tony Snow, he finds out the hard way (i.e., through his kids) that those WINDBAGS, like Rush, weren’t just making this stuff up for ratings (or due to paranoia), but were detailing what is NOW taking place.

It makes our job next to impossible. But like you, we ULTIMATELY won - since we simply DID NOT these people have any influence on the primary education of our kids (i.e., reading and math) - because we understand just who they are.

So our kids compete against a BUNCH OF LOSERS that got ‘educated’ by the state...and it’s a walk in the park for them. Too bad the country gets destroyed, though.


11 posted on 01/19/2013 11:50:32 AM PST by BobL
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To: wintertime

Whatever.
Pleading for folks who might disagree with you to not post to you seems awfully weak.

Maybe you should get your pet issue declared a “religion” and post in that forum under the “caucus” protection.


12 posted on 01/19/2013 11:53:14 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: wintertime

Confirming that I’m posting to you.


13 posted on 01/19/2013 11:55:14 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: BobL

Indeed! Having a solid education is in great demand among employers, and my children are now becoming leaders in their communities, businesses, and church.

Unfortunately, like Atlas, they are among those carrying the world on their shoulders. They haven’t shrugged, ....(yet).


14 posted on 01/19/2013 11:55:54 AM PST by wintertime
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To: humblegunner

Hello people!

If you must send stuff to wintertime, send it to me instead!

I’m an instructor who has taught in both systems but now teaches privately. :D


15 posted on 01/19/2013 11:56:34 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: humblegunner
Well? I don't want people cluttering my ping list with arguments defending:

1) FORCING godlessness on children and FORCING them to think and reason godlessly. ( They must just to cooperate in the godless classroom.)

2) FORCING children into a socialist environment where they risk learning to be comfortable with socialism.

3) FORCING children into increasingly prison-like institutions where they risk learning to be good little godless socialist prisoners of the state.

4) FORCING taxpayers to ESTABLISH this non-neutral godless and socialist RELIGIOUS and political worldview onto innocent children.

Nope! There is no discussion that could justify the above, and to engage in conversation with them merely lends legitimacy to their immoral arguments.

And...I feel the same way about a few other issues, for example, abortion, slavery, human trafficking, concentration camps, genocide, pedophilia, child abuse, and human sacrifice. I don't want anyone involved in these activities for a friend. I don't want government teachers for friends either.

16 posted on 01/19/2013 12:09:01 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Yes, it would be a wondrous world full of rainbows and unicorn farts if nobody ever posted stuff to us other than in agreement.

Boring as hell, too.


17 posted on 01/19/2013 12:14:08 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: JCBreckenridge
.It is interesting. Substitute “slavery “for the words “public school” in any government school defender's argument. These arguments defending the indefensible suddenly become the **same** arguments used to defend slavery.

Try it. You will see.

Some things are beyond discussion and to engage with others lends legitimacy to the immorality.

There are some things that, for me, are beyond any defense: slavery, human sacrifice, pedophilia, abortion, concentration camps, etc. Forcing godlessness on innocent children, putting them at risk to be comfortable with socialism, treating them like government prisoners, and forcing the taxpayer to pay for this abomination is beyond any defense. I will not engage in it.

18 posted on 01/19/2013 12:18:00 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

I’m not sure what the problem is for the government-defenders about being told not to troll this thread. They can certainly re-post your piece (as you did link to it), and then go on explain how it PROVES that public schools are the way to go.

...but they don’t. I wonder way?


19 posted on 01/19/2013 12:23:17 PM PST by BobL
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To: humblegunner
The abuse of children isn't about being bored or being amused.

Government schools FORCE children to think and reason godlessly. They must just too cooperate in the godless classroom. This is child abuse.

It is child abuse for the government to FORCE children into prison-like institutions and march them about like prisoners when their only crime was the audacity to be born ( and possibly survive an abortion attempt.)

It is child abuse to FORCE children into government socialist institutions where they risk learning to be comfortable with socialism. Gee! If a government powerful is enough to give children tuition-free school, that child risks learning that the voting mob can give him **lots** of free stuff.

20 posted on 01/19/2013 12:24:00 PM PST by wintertime
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To: BobL

They are welcome to comment any way they like. I just don’t want their moral sewage in my ping list.


21 posted on 01/19/2013 12:25:29 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

You can do the same by substituting, “UFO,” or “moon rocks.” Doesn’t make the technique any more valid or invalid.


22 posted on 01/19/2013 12:25:50 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: wintertime

I understand that opinion. I don’t see why you should have to debate what you don’t want to debate.

Me, on the other hand, I feel I’m called to debate, so I am happy to engage in it. Since the people writing you insist that it’s ‘all about debate and not harassment’, I’m happy to fill in. :)


23 posted on 01/19/2013 12:26:53 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: humblegunner

You’re wasting your time HG and will wind up on the “do not post to me list.”


24 posted on 01/19/2013 12:30:41 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Thank you for stepping up to the challenge.

Personally, Christmas Day was for me the last I could take of the truly vile and hateful insults filling my ping list. I am done with it, at least for a while.


26 posted on 01/19/2013 12:33:35 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Ok, so it’s working.


27 posted on 01/19/2013 12:33:49 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: JCBreckenridge

One more thing:

It is one thing to discuss and issue with a person of good will. It is quite another matter to do so with an apologist of evil.


28 posted on 01/19/2013 12:34:56 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Child abuse is one way to look at it - I’ll have to remember that. I think of Treason - most of the kids just aren’t getting the education they will need to keep furthering the development of this Nation. And the Liberal ideas put into their heads could also be considered Treason, but I’m more concerned about the education part (at least for my own kids).

Not all of my kids’ teachers are lousy - just a few. And if they brought hanging at the courthouse lawn back (Treason), I bet the other teachers would get back with the program real quick.


30 posted on 01/19/2013 12:36:38 PM PST by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: BobL
I’m not sure what the problem is for the government-defenders about being told not to troll this thread.

Awesome job at name-calling there, Bob.

I don't recall having written a single word about education.
Please find it and show it to me. Bob.

explain how it PROVES that public schools are the way to go

Hmm. Who is this "troll" who has put forth that opinion, Bob?

You are sure some kind of bad-ass, Bob.. perhaps you should direct
your comments to these "trolls" who have these opinions you dislike?

Name some names, Bob. Man up, Bob. Hitch up your pants and walk like a man, Bob.

31 posted on 01/19/2013 12:39:56 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: wintertime

Listen, I’m sorry that someone ruffled your feathers. I know it wasn’t me. You are posting on a public forum. By doing so, you are inviting comments.


32 posted on 01/19/2013 12:40:53 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 21twelve
Can I persuade you to see that the very system and foundation is rotten?

Government schooling is the very definition of a godless, socialist, single-payer, and compulsory-use socialist entitlement. Even if the teaching was effective ( and it isn't) the children risk the following:

1) They **will** learn to think and reason godlessly, at least while in the godless classroom. They must just to cooperate in the godless school. How could it be otherwise? No child should be forced by a government to do that. No taxpayer should be under police threat to pay for it. There is no way government schooling can be religiously neutral because such a state can not exist in the mind of any sentient human. This can not be reformed because it is **foundational** to the entire system.

2) All institutional schools must control the children for their safety and to maintain order, but when **government** does this to children it teaches a lesson. Government schools teach children that the government has the power and right to TRASH their First Amendment human and God-given rights. Every day children are told by the government to shut up. They can not publish freely in their government prisons ( oops! “schools”). They can not freely exercise their religion as they choose. And...The government decides with whom they will assemble, and then FORCES on them a godless religious worldview. The risk is that we will become a nation of citizens who are comfortable with the government crushing their God-given rights. This can't be reformed because it is fundamentally foundational to the entire system of compulsory government socialist entitlement schooling.

3) One other place where First Amendment Rights are trashed is prison. In many way, children are treated by the government like prisoners. The risk is that they may learn to be compliant prisoners of the government.

All of the above is foundational and fundamental to the very structure of the institution of government schooling. It can not be reformed.

33 posted on 01/19/2013 12:51:37 PM PST by wintertime
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Do you see what I mean about people of “good will”.

For the time being, I am not engaging in discussion with people who are not of “good will”.


35 posted on 01/19/2013 1:00:15 PM PST by wintertime
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To: 1rudeboy; wintertime
I request that you remove me from you ping list.

Rude has a ping list? Awesome. Add me to it.

In a shocking revelation unveiled today, responding to a person's
comment on Free Republic does indeed automatically ping them!

Lance Armstrong is deeply sorry for this, and Manti T'eo was under the impression that the ping list was real.

In other news, painting with too broad a brush was found to be damned ignorant by a group of noted homeshooled geniuses.

36 posted on 01/19/2013 1:06:29 PM PST by humblegunner
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Re: Treason

Mostly, I think teachers are among the Useful Idiots of the world.

There are only three possibilities why anyone would hurt children and endanger our nation in the way they do. They are evil, stupid, or Useful Idiots. Can you think of any other reason? I can’t.


38 posted on 01/19/2013 1:16:40 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

You have grammatical errors in your statement....


39 posted on 01/19/2013 1:17:04 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: JCBreckenridge
Most of the methods the article's author showed looked similar to methods I learned in the 1970s. The difference is that we didn't keep using them all year. We used little blocks in groups of tens, added them, subtracted them and multiplied them. But after a few weeks we learned the standard methods with references back to the blocks or tick marks an paper. Handicapping the students with inefficient methods just cripples them educationally.

Whoever came up with this curriculum seem to say "Screw standing on the shoulders of giants to see farther. The best the kids can do is stand flatfooted, and any child who even stands on his tip-toes will be punished."

40 posted on 01/19/2013 1:18:19 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: wintertime

You still have grammatical errors in your statement.


42 posted on 01/19/2013 1:20:30 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

That’s impossible :-)


43 posted on 01/19/2013 1:21:24 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

I teach English. Grammatical errors pop out at me like light bulbs.

S’up Gabz?


45 posted on 01/19/2013 1:22:52 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: wintertime

Grammatical errors still noted.


46 posted on 01/19/2013 1:23:48 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: wintertime

If you don’t want meanies to respond to you, bail the hell out of here.

When you began your putsch against schools, you inferred that
my kids were socialist faggot dirtbag drones. More than inferred, actually.

You then proceeded to hold up your kids as God-like brilliant overachievers worthy of adoration.

Wrong move, sweetiecakes.

Until and unless you retract YEARS worth of slandering with
stupid generalizations, you can expect a bit of flak.

Rag on my kids out of ignorance, get slammed.
That’s how it works, sugarbuns.


47 posted on 01/19/2013 1:25:19 PM PST by humblegunner
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“sugarbuns?”

I don’t care who you are, that’s funny right there.


48 posted on 01/19/2013 1:27:08 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

I know that, and you know that, but because we are not people of goodwill we have no say about such things and even worse are such idiots we are incapable of knowing such things. After all, she who must not be pinged knows all and only those who agree with her have any knowledge of anything.

Alls well in tthe world here — how’s by you?


49 posted on 01/19/2013 1:27:34 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: KarlInOhio
Good teachers would not cooperate in any manner with this form of educational child abuse. Only evil, stupid, or Useful Idiot teachers would.

Please remember that when you next see sweet Mrs. Honey Bun, who loves her cat, is a member of the church choir, and teaches at the local government indoctrination camp.

So? ....Do you believe Mrs. Honey Bun when she says that she “loves children”, or do think it might possibly be that she loves her paycheck, long summer and holiday vacations, and generous pensions and benefits?

50 posted on 01/19/2013 1:28:20 PM PST by wintertime
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