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Two people injured in accidental shooting at Raleigh gun show
WRAL (Raleigh TV Station) ^ | Saturday, January 19, 2013 1:37PM EST | Tara Lynn

Posted on 01/19/2013 11:54:01 AM PST by backwoods-engineer

RALEIGH, N.C. — At least two people were injured Saturday afternoon in an apparent accidental shooting at the gun show being held at the North Carolina State Fairgrounds.

Emergency crews responded to the scene shortly after 1 p.m., and two people were loaded into ambulances.

A witness told WRAL that a gun went off after being checked by an official at a safety check-in location, hitting a man in the hand and a woman in the side.

The Raleigh Fire Department confirmed that the Dixie Gun and Knife Show would be closed for the remainder of the day Saturday. There was no word on whether the show, which is held inside the Jim Graham Building, would continue Sunday.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
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GREAT, JUST GREAT. The media and the gun banners are gonna use this to SCREW US royally.

Some stupid cop puts his booger hook on the bang switch when he's unloading a pistol. Yes, it was a cop; I have a source who was 50 ft away when it happened. WHY would somebody bring a loaded pistol into a gun show anyway? Why not unload in your car, or at least before getting in line? Why hand a LOADED pistol to a COP, who are well known for not following the 4 rules?

This is a very bad time for something like this to happen. They are gonna use this to clamp down on everything, you watch.

1 posted on 01/19/2013 11:54:09 AM PST by backwoods-engineer
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To: backwoods-engineer
Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit

Bad timing.

2 posted on 01/19/2013 11:57:51 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Remember, only cops need guns.


3 posted on 01/19/2013 11:58:58 AM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

All thumbs nature of the cop aside, who in the frigging hell brings a damned gun to a gun show, to get checked even, with the damned bullets still in the gun? Unbelievably stupid. Some people are just too damned stupid IMO.....


4 posted on 01/19/2013 11:59:10 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: backwoods-engineer

Bad timing, my a**. This was sabotage, not an accident.


5 posted on 01/19/2013 11:59:30 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: backwoods-engineer

Yep. Enemedia will pounce as directed.


6 posted on 01/19/2013 12:00:16 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Since it was a cop, the mainstream national media won’t even pick it up.


7 posted on 01/19/2013 12:00:24 PM PST by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

I know this puts me in tinfoil hat territory, but I just can’t put it past the gun-grabbers to try to engineer some kind of mishap on Gun Appreciation Day.


8 posted on 01/19/2013 12:00:24 PM PST by hitkicker (The only thing worse than a politician is a child molester)
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To: jjotto

Well, seeing as how the alignment of the stars, planets and unbelievably stupid participants on both sides all coincided at once. It is very hard to disbelieve your assertion.


9 posted on 01/19/2013 12:01:03 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: backwoods-engineer

Coincidence?


10 posted on 01/19/2013 12:02:19 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Consider the possibility that it was not an accident at all, but rather an orchestrated attempt of anti gun zealots in law enforcement, the Feds and the media to promote gun show,and Second Amendment restrictions.


11 posted on 01/19/2013 12:04:50 PM PST by OKRA2012
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To: backwoods-engineer

Any gun show I’ve been to, the officials doing the check-in are LEOs.


12 posted on 01/19/2013 12:04:50 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Too many coincidences lately.


13 posted on 01/19/2013 12:05:26 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: Eleutheria5

Plant. You know liberal limp wrists don’t know how to fire a gun. First thing is to make the gun is not pointed in the direction of anyone. Anyone that’s ever taken firearms training knows that.


14 posted on 01/19/2013 12:05:26 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: backwoods-engineer

People thing just because they are LE, they know about guns. A few years ago the ATF accused a fellow of having an “illegal machine gun” and were preparing to prosecute him. The guy FINALLY got a real expert to allow him to inspect the firearm. Five minutes into the inspection he found a broken and jammed firing pin.


15 posted on 01/19/2013 12:05:49 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The only thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that criminals will always get them.)
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To: jjotto; Gaffer

It would take two, ya’ know. I cannot conceive of taking a loaded gun to a gun show. Everyone knows the rules. Plus, whoever is handling the gun, was absolutely incompetent. It was either sabotage or two of the stupidest people to meet at the same place at the same time.


16 posted on 01/19/2013 12:06:06 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: jsanders2001

Just now saw the part where it was a cop. I’d say suspension with no pay until he completes another firearms training course. Might want to Jake sure he didn’t visit with Obama shortly b4 the incident tho...lol


17 posted on 01/19/2013 12:08:23 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

Just now saw the part where it was a cop. I’d say suspension with no pay until he completes another firearms training course. Might want to make sure he didn’t visit with Obama shortly b4 the incident tho...lol


18 posted on 01/19/2013 12:08:44 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: backwoods-engineer

Someone once told me “There are no coincidences.”
I didn’t believe them at the time.


19 posted on 01/19/2013 12:09:08 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: krb

> Since it was a cop, the mainstream national media won’t even pick it up.

Or they might say, “look here, this guy’s a cop WITH firearms training. If he can do it ANYONE can” then try to shut down gun shows.


20 posted on 01/19/2013 12:11:03 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

A few years ago here a cop was sitting in a chair watching the door at a gun show when his own pistol “accidentally went off”. Shot himself in the ass.


21 posted on 01/19/2013 12:11:21 PM PST by shelterguy
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To: BipolarBob

Oh, I agree totally...that’s why I’m in the disbelief column I think on whether this was a confluence of events or a conspiracy of events.


22 posted on 01/19/2013 12:12:31 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: ilgipper

> Too many coincidences lately.

It’s the power of Satan which lives in Obozo


23 posted on 01/19/2013 12:12:40 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: ilgipper

> Too many coincidences lately.

It’s the power of Satan which lives in Obozo. Oh how I wish someone would take pictures of his Satanic worship chamber and sacrifiial altar and put it in the news...: )


24 posted on 01/19/2013 12:14:11 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

Ol' Barn did get that job in Raleigh after he left the force in Mayberry. Hmmm...

25 posted on 01/19/2013 12:15:19 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Kinda reminds of the cop who shot himself in the leg in front of a classroom full of children!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0


26 posted on 01/19/2013 12:17:26 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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GREAT, JUST GREAT. The media and the gun banners are gonna use this to SCREW US royally.

More people will hurt themselves falling in the bathtub today. Ninety people will die in car accidents.

27 posted on 01/19/2013 12:18:02 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: shelterguy

We had a county deputy fired yesterday for putting his shotgun on top of his cop car and driving off. They haven’t recovered it yet even though they’ve retraced his route.


28 posted on 01/19/2013 12:19:53 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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Was that cop a Democrat?

One Trigger-Happy Democrat
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2979880/posts
Democrat Joe Morissey rose to his feet in the Virginia House of Delegates to protest the tabling by that body’s Militia and Police subcommittee of his Obama-like gun-control measure. To emphasize his point, he hoisted an AK-47, single-handed, over his head, pointing the weapon’s muzzle at the ceiling - like a celebratory Taliban fighter at a traditional Afghan wedding. “... You can take this gun,” said Morrissey, “you can walk in the middle of Main Street loaded and not be in violation of the law.”

In response, Republican Delegate Todd Gilbert quickly rose to his feet and made a parliamentary point of order. He demanded that Morissey, obviously unfamiliar with handling weapons, remove his thumb from the rifle’s trigger.

The 5 Worst/Recent Mass Murders in the USA (with a Firearm) Came from Democrats
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2979881/posts


29 posted on 01/19/2013 12:22:08 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: backwoods-engineer

I thought the same thing. Why would anyone load a gun at a gun show?


30 posted on 01/19/2013 12:23:35 PM PST by Fledermaus (The Republic is Dead: Collapse the system. Fire all politicians and impeach the judges.)
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To: jjotto

I agree...


31 posted on 01/19/2013 12:28:45 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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Report: "Two people injured in accidental shooting at Raleigh gun show"

Response: Oh Lord!

32 posted on 01/19/2013 12:29:46 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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Heck...I don’t know...it just seems like a rather near-impossible coincidence of mating a dumb ass cop with a dumb ass gun show attendee is all I’m saying.


33 posted on 01/19/2013 12:29:52 PM PST by Gaffer
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I cannot conceive of taking a loaded gun to a gun show. Everyone knows the rules.

Not really. I've been shooting for thirty years and never once been to a gun show.

If this person had their CCW and was a first timer, how would he know to unload before getting to the gate?

34 posted on 01/19/2013 12:37:46 PM PST by papertyger
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To: backwoods-engineer
Political, propaganda-generating sabotage. Pure and simple.

How do you screen the lefties out of the gun shows unless you're some sort of mutant psychic?

35 posted on 01/19/2013 12:41:17 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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how would he know to unload before getting to the gate?

They have signs posted everywhere. Outside before you get to the door. Every gun show I've been to has been this way over thirty years. But especially now.

36 posted on 01/19/2013 12:43:45 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Screw the fire department and tell them to try and stop the show. All hell would break loose. Government must be crazy to use an accident to cause cancellation. Damn fools. We are too easy on all forms of government control since they are the insane walking on my turf.


37 posted on 01/19/2013 12:49:02 PM PST by Logical me
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Just now saw the part where it was a cop. I’d say suspension with no pay until he completes another firearms training course.

I say take all the cops back to .38 revolvers, like in the good old days.

Oops, that might involve them sitting at the cop shop until they're asked to show up and 3 of them sharing the same marked cop car over 3 ea. 8-hour shifts. Can't have that!

38 posted on 01/19/2013 12:49:02 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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I’m not so sure about the gun show attendee being a dumb ass.

A CCW holder should automatically assume he can carry in any venue not specifically prohibited by law. I am aware of no obligation to make an exhaustive search for “no loaded weapons allowed” posts, and so they should be prominently displayed if the organizers expect them to be respected.

I have seen MANY prohibition posting that were NOT prominently displayed.

That a cop decided to unsafely dick around with a loaded weapon, once discovered, has very little to do with the owner who surrendered it upon request, in my opinion.


39 posted on 01/19/2013 12:53:34 PM PST by papertyger
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They have signs posted everywhere. Outside before you get to the door. Every gun show I've been to has been this way over thirty years.

Were you at that specific gun show?

Have you been attending shows in that area for all those years?

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I am inclined to give the benefit of any doubt to the owner of the weapon, and not to the cop who wounded innocent bystanders with it.

40 posted on 01/19/2013 12:57:48 PM PST by papertyger
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I’ve had a CCW for nigh on 20 years. I’ve also been to enough gun shows, at least here in my State of Georgia, to know that they will not allow a loaded weapon to enter the premises, period. Any CCW holder should know this, especially if he/she has been to a gun show here before.


41 posted on 01/19/2013 12:58:17 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: backwoods-engineer

Meanwhile.....

Central Michigan university student kidnapped and raped by a parolee with a long history. Sentenced to 15 and out in 5 and raping college students within months. His “gun” was a BB gun. Fortunately he won’t be taking up and more of our time.

http://www.freep.com/article/20130119/NEWS06/301190073/Clashes-with-police-the-norm-for-parolee-killed-after-crime-spree-Eric-Ramsey-Central-Michigan-University?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|s


42 posted on 01/19/2013 12:58:42 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Gaffer
Any CCW holder should know this, especially if he/she has been to a gun show here before.

And what if he/she has not been to a show before, particularly if a visitor holding a CCW from another state?

43 posted on 01/19/2013 1:03:00 PM PST by papertyger
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Gaffer said: "...it just seems like a rather near-impossible coincidence of mating a dumb ass cop with a dumb ass gun show attendee is all I’m saying."

To assess the possibilities, it would be necessary to know how many dumb ass cops there are and how many dumb ass gun show attendees.

Gun show attendance has been incredibly high since the recent shooting, probably double or triple the usual attendance. This means that a great proportion, perhaps as much as half of attendees are new to gun shows and many of those are new to GUNS.

The number of attendees who are not familiar with guns might be up by a factor of ten or more.

At the same time, the number of police officers who must be assigned to check guns at gun shows is probably also up, perhaps by double.

In doubling the number of officers assigned, it just might be that the number of officers being assigned who have not done the job before might be up by a factor of ten or more.

If you multiply the number of people who might ignorantly bring a loaded gun to a gun show by a factor of ten, and you multiply the number of officers that are incompetent to check weapons by a factor of ten, then you just might increase the likelihood of an incident by one hundred or more.

Given the incredibly high number of guns being sold in the last two months, many of them probably to new gun owners, I would predict a pretty large increase in the number of negligent discharges by this population of gun owners.

AR-15s have their own set of unique idiosyncrasies. If a new owner puts a loaded magazine into the rifle, purposely NOT loading a round in the chamber, and then locks the bolt back so that it is easy to inspect the chamber, then they may have set themselves up for a problem.

The AR-15, with the bolt locked back so that the chamber is open, requires just the slightest bump on the stock to release the lock and send the bolt forward.

A new owner unfamiliar with the situation might not realize that he has just chambered a round. If he then removes the magazine and fails to then empty the chamber (remember, he went to some trouble NOT to load the chamber) then he has created the potential for a negligent discharge.

We can further complicate this situation by realizing that there is now an ammo shortage for .223 rifles. This will result in some individuals perhaps trying to make some money by reloading their own .223 and selling at gun shows.

Commercial reloaders are expected to eliminate improperly seated primers from their product. Less experienced individuals might not be so attentive.

If we revisit the scenario above, where a slight bump sends the bolt home, chambering a round, it's not impossible that a round could fire if its primer is not seated.

The several times I have introduced friends to the AR-15, I have always chambered a round and then removed the round to show them how the inertial firing pin behaves in this rifle. There will be a slight dimple where the firing pin hits the newly chambered round. It's a good way of driving home the gun safety rules, including especially that the gun should never be pointed at something (or someone) you don't wish to destroy.

44 posted on 01/19/2013 1:03:22 PM PST by William Tell
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To: jsanders2001

I’d say felony charges for negligent conduct, attempted murder, recklessness, etc., and all that under color of authority.


45 posted on 01/19/2013 1:04:49 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: papertyger

No, I have not been to that specific gun show. Between common sense and insurance requirements, there is bound to be signs posted there. Convention Centers do NOT like negative publicity or liabilities. These people could sue the building owners which leads to another scenario. Was it staged for the insurance? It is unfathomable in my mind it was not posted “No Loaded Firearms”.


46 posted on 01/19/2013 1:05:12 PM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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Okay...I can buy that....I’m only going with what I’ve seen over the last 20 years here in Georgia....still doesn’t explain a dumb ass cop who can’t check a weapon though..


47 posted on 01/19/2013 1:07:39 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: William Tell

Be that as it may, should any gun owner be held in any way responsible for negligent discharges caused by surrendering their weapon to a cop who demands it?


48 posted on 01/19/2013 1:11:46 PM PST by papertyger
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To: William Tell
The number of attendees who are not familiar with guns might be up by a factor of ten or more.

I can respect your problem breakdown re: probabilities and likelihoods, etc. However, one would also likely agree that an attendee who transports a gun to a show, especially a loaded one, has a high likelihood of being familiar with/licensed for/cognizant of laws regarding loaded weapons, wouldn't they? If they are attending WITH A GUN, then they must not be that new to guns, would they? Just seems a little improbable to me, that's all.

49 posted on 01/19/2013 1:12:48 PM PST by Gaffer
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....still doesn’t explain a dumb ass cop who can’t check a weapon though..

We are in utter and complete agreement.

50 posted on 01/19/2013 1:13:54 PM PST by papertyger
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