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Posted on 01/19/2013 1:12:18 PM PST by Tailgunner JoeEdited on 01/19/2013 3:00:24 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
VATICAN CITY (AP) The Vatican praised President Barack Obama's proposals for curbing gun violence, saying they are a "step in a right direction."
The Vatican's chief spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said Saturday that 47 religious leaders have appealed to members of the U.S. Congress "to limit firearms that are making society pay an unacceptable price in terms of massacres and senseless deaths."
"I am with them," Lombardi said, in an editorial carried on Vatican Radio, lining up the Vatican's moral support in favor of firearm limits.
"The initiatives announced by the American administration for limiting and controlling the spread and use of weapons are certainly a step in the right direction," Lombardi said.
Obama is trying to rally support for reinstating a ban on assault weapons...
Excerpt, read more at cnsnews/ap
This Obama government is not concerned about the future horrenous massacres like Newtown - they are deathly afraid that a sizable portion of the armed citizenry will have finally had enough of his shit and rebel.
And screw the Vatican too
As a Catholic I say let the pope AND Obama give up THEIR armed body guards first!
You’d think they were still surrounded by the blackshirts, the way they bow to totalitarianism.
Governments murder far more of their own citizens than any other force, 262 million since 1900.
It would be far more honest for the Vatican to talk about disarming governments than talking about disarming citizens.
“The Vatican” has a lot of scandalous dissenters in it (for a hierarchical church with all the prerogatives that implies, I think the Roman Catholic church is not using its power very wisely — but I caveat my bias as an unabashed evangelical or as some put it “Protestant”). I can’t imagine the present pope taking a radical anti-private-arms stance though he may preach for general peace.
The Vatican got the health care bill stuck up their azz, (abprtion & Contraceptives)but they are still nosing into business that is none of theirs.
They are backing a Muslim
(WTH is wrong with them?)
Tell me about God, Save my soul, let me decide about illegals, health care and my guns.
They are ignorant to what it means to be American. Theirs is 2 dimentional thinking to a 3 dimentional American reality.
Proving yet once again how idiotic the Vatican can be.
The Pope should not play with evil.
I doubt the credibility of this article since the source is the far-left Associated Press. And, furthermore, just what is "The Vatican" [sic]? As I understand it (and I very well may be wrong), unless the Pope himself utters the words, there's nothing official in a statement attributed to an entity as nebulous as "The Vatican".
In any event, my church of Christ congregation is not a gun-free zone. Tomorrow, during worship services, there will be quite a few of us in the auditorium armed -- and that includes the preacher. Sure, we may sing without instrumental accompaniment but we certainly are accompanied by our firearms. It's no wonder that a thug has never tried to make off with our collection plate!
Looks like the all too common lame brained “blame the weapon” stance. Most of the things that such weapons in private hands are used to do, never hit the news at all because they are boringly peaceful. While it is a laudable Christian “thang” to be wary of using items through which Satan poses temptations to sin, in virtually all cases of murderous use, the gun did not tempt an otherwise innocent minded bearer to commit the murder. Rather the bearer got murder on his mind first, THEN got the gun to carry it out. And hardly any ban can make this significantly harder; it can only make it harder for honest citizens to keep THEIR guns to defend themselves.
In a nutshell this is plain wrong headed.
Sorry, Father Lombardi—you are wrong in this instance.
Aw, you need a piano player. One more person to pack!
The catholic church has upset in the past few years. This is just another one. For the record I am catholic.
Keep your nose out of my right to protect myself!
... and the original State Church pipes in, highlighting just why no state church was permitted under the Constitution.
Well, obviously the Vatican spokesman has been poorly catechized and doesn’t speak for the Church.
I’d put an /s sarcasm tag at the end, but, unfortunately...
Note to the Vatican spokesman: When having your God-given First Amendment rights infringed by an anti-Christian, anti-American socialist, it would be prudent not to make suggestions that would weaken what little respect the uninformed have for other parts of the Bill of Rights. This unconstitutional proposal will just make it easier for the far left extremists in our White House to infringe on religious liberty to an even greater extent.
I don't know when that happened, but I am glad I am no longer a member of their church. Of course, I was no longer a member of their church since about age 12.
Good one! I've seen some of musicians at the Pentecostal churches -- guitars, drums, organs, fiddles and such. All that's missing is a mechanical bull and it'd be just like going to church at Billy Bob's! And I do mean that with good-natured humor since my intent is not to mock those worshiping differently. We in the coC get plenty of ridicule for the way we do things.
Are you aware of something in officially documented central Roman Catholic church teachings that would countermand what that priest is saying? On a lot of things that church does show a fair amount of common sense. If the priest is flying in the face of a documented teaching, Roman Catholics ought to press him to explain why he presumes to speak on behalf of the Roman Catholic church in saying what he says.
Zip it, Reverend. You’re not an American and you don’t get a say.
Disarming the public of every nation is a top globalist priority. I wonder why...?
As always, the media find one person, who in this case happens to be the spokesman for the Vatican who they make look like is speaking for the pope.
I bet there have been plenty of US Bishops who have spoken out against this too, but guess who gets the coverage?
The “Vatican” is not the Pope or the Church. And I don’t know who this chief “spokesman” is or what his position is, but he doesn’t speak for the Church.
The Church has always supported the concepts of Just War and self defense—which includes defense of family and neighbors.
I’d say this guy is some kind of well-meaning, liberal nerd, who should have been reined in before spreading this junk all over the leftwing media like this. And by his title he’s not a Cardinal or a bishop, but just a priest.
The Pope`s Uzi-armed bodyguards
Hypocrite vatican- Take the Pope`s Uzi`s out of his eyes before you devils dare speak against our God-given rights,!
I’ve started to go to a Baptist church that has, well, everything shy of the mechanical bull. The worship leader even has a standing keyboard, which is new to me. And so what, as long as the ultimate focus is upon Whom it belongs (and the music is competent). If you sense a spiritual benefit from a-capella musical worship, then more Power to you. In most places, the keyboards are a great help. (Don’t be shot by the piano player!)
“Disarming the public of every nation is a top globalist priority”
Yep, the globalists are preparing the way for the willful king:
King James Version (KJV)
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, ***and by peace shall destroy many***: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
One more thing.
Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
If the pope has a fault here, it seems to me to be in not calling this priest to account. Now if the priest wants to, say, become an Anglican or a member of a congregation that IS officially more liberal-looey, that’s between him and God.
Yep. I won’t be defending their rights any time soon.
There's a whole apologetic litany in situations such as this, starting with “he was misunderstood,” going through “he doesn't speak for the church” and ending with “you're just anti-Catholic,” while avoiding discussion as to whether or not the statement in question actually does reflect the position of the church itself.
Lombardi is a nut on the US Constitution, out of touch with freedom, and will himself likely be swallowed up by Al Qaida next, for lack of an armed citizenry and effeminate military, in a country run by those who eschew the Church.
Laughable that this odd little man is considered to speak as, “the Vatican”.
Which makes ‘Red Dawn’ pretty hard if not impossible ....... foreign entities (not counting the libtards within) should take notice.
Often English translations of the bible struggle or fail to render the fullest sense of the Hebrew (or Greek). The Hebrew “shalom” carries a connotation of more than simply peace; it may mean acquiescence too. (It also serves to mean good bye and hello much as the Hawaiian aloha.) Hebrew has a small vocabulary and its words in consequence frequently carry broader senses than those in languages having large vocabularies.
I think it obviously means the false peace of Daniel 9:26-27; which reaches its end when the Antichrist declares himself to be “god”.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
King James Version (KJV)
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
In his Encyclical Letter from 1995, EVANGELIUM VITAE, Pope John Paul II writes:
"......Christian reflection has sought a fuller and deeper understanding of what God's commandment prohibits and prescribes. There are in fact situations in which values proposed by God's Law seem to involve a genuine paradox. This happens for example in the case of legitimate defense, in which the right to protect one's own life and the duty not to harm someone else's life are difficult to reconcile in practice. Certainly, the intrinsic value of life and the duty to love oneself no less than others are the basis of a true right to self-defense."
He goes on to say:
"...legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for another's life, the common good of the family or of the State. Unfortunately, it happens that the need to render the aggressor incapable of causing harm sometimes involves taking his life. In this case, the fatal outcome is attributable to the aggressor whose actions brought it about, even though he may not be morally responsible because of a lack of the use of reason."
Pope John Paul II knew exactly what happens when innocents are disarmed, having lived under both Nazism and communism. He did not believe in disarming citizens and neither does the Catholic Church, this spokesperson's personal opinion notwithstanding.
Thanks Tailgunner Joe.
Knowing how lukewarm the world is about God now, it seems odd to us that a power would come along and manage to revive reverence, only to prove to be a kind of devil. But the bible spells it out.
Yes the time is coming. World leader, world “church” or “religious” obedience to the Antichrist, world monetary system where no man can buy or sell without the mark of the beast.
Lurkers who have not read Revelation 13 are invited to do so:
King James Version (KJV)
13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Is this the same JPII who is routinely depicted by traditionalists on FR as being responsible for so many aspects of the modern church that are apparently regarded objectionable?
Well, from what I have been told, there are two levels of the pope’s teaching, one being ordinary teaching and another one being infallible pronouncements. However the popes are not normally in the habit of shouting “LISTEN HERE! THE FOLLOWING IS INFALLIBLE!” before one of the latter pronouncements, which would settle the question for good; instead the magisterium does something akin to voting on its status.
If this was one of the Infallible Utterances then the pope could have been in the middle of carousing for all the stewards of doctrine care. (Not at all saying he was! he seemed to be a pretty decent man in his dealings.)
I have to chuckle, herd of cats sometimes does seem to describe it. And we have to wait for them to come to unity on the hairball in question.