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'Be Ready for a War in 2013 and Also Win it', China Tells its Soldiers
Daily Bhaskar ^ | Jan 18, 2013

Posted on 01/19/2013 3:20:12 PM PST by nickcarraway

In the wake of increased tension with Japan over disputed islands, China’s soldiers have been directed to be ready for a war in 2013 and also win it. Government Chinese media disclosed this in a report.

The report also said the soldiers are being prepared to the best possible level and that they are being trained for the purpose.

According to reports, in 2012, no such directive- of getting ready for a war and winning it- was given. The Chinese army has also been told to improve its activities and enhance information and intelligence gathering techniques.

In 20th century, Japan has captured certain territories belonging to China. War has been fought between China and Japan during 1894-95 and 1937-45.

After increased military and economic power, China has become aggressive when it comes to disputes related with land. China has the biggest contingent of armed soldiers and every year its defence budget has been increasing manifold.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: australia; bhutan; china; india; japan; korea; nepal; philippines; russia; singapore; taiwan; vietnam; war; waronterror

1 posted on 01/19/2013 3:20:24 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

And by treaty we will get dragged into this thing. Has Obama done anything to defuse this?


2 posted on 01/19/2013 3:22:41 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: nickcarraway
Meanwhile....

3 posted on 01/19/2013 3:22:41 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

Haha. The picture sums up how useless this tool truly is. I’d rather have the shelves sitting in the Oval Office.


4 posted on 01/19/2013 3:30:40 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: Vince Ferrer

That’s probably why the Chinese shot that missile off the West Coast. To tell Obozo to butt out, or else!


5 posted on 01/19/2013 3:32:25 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: nickcarraway

China has it’s own version of Aegis, thanks to a honeypot op targeting Japanese members of the MSDF (their navy).

I’m sure they’re delighted about that, around now.


6 posted on 01/19/2013 3:32:27 PM PST by gaijin
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To: nickcarraway
Good thing we are not gutting the military and have reasonable entitlement reform in place, huh?

Gutting the military - Looming cuts mean US retreat


7 posted on 01/19/2013 3:36:34 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Vince Ferrer

He is leading from behind like in Mali and Algeria.


8 posted on 01/19/2013 3:46:31 PM PST by omega4179 ( Huelo azufre)
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To: nickcarraway
Will the Chinese will start anything, given that, if news reports are anything to go by, the top leadership is corrupt to the tune of hundreds of millions each, presumably invested somewhere, and has a lot to lose? I had imagined these people having a few million bucks salted away somewhere, but hundreds of millions is serious money - it's Al Gore and Mitt Romney money. Will they jeopardize that for a bunch of rocks?

It's certainly possible, given that they might get a percentage of the oil and gas concessions. But would they really risk a confrontation with Japan and America's allies in the Far East - one that might end with a humiliating defeat? Defeat is certainly dangerous for the coterie of leaders in charge, but victory might be equally dangerous, given the war fever latent among the Chinese masses. Victory could be a poisoned chalice that leads to vociferous demands for more such victories, thereby sending China on a path to ultimate defeat.

9 posted on 01/19/2013 3:46:41 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: BenLurkin

saved to my \obama\gay folder.


10 posted on 01/19/2013 3:47:53 PM PST by omega4179 ( Huelo azufre)
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To: nickcarraway

Chinese leaders will go to great lengths to avoid a direct armed conflict with America. Why spend treasure(the Chinese do not care about spending rivers of blood!)when the West is imploding. Soon they will be able to walk in and take what they want. The next big step will be a large Chinese presence in Mexico and the U.S. Both contingents armed appropriately for their particular area of infiltration. Heavy weapons in Mexico weapons fit for guerrilla war in the U.S.


11 posted on 01/19/2013 3:50:05 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: nickcarraway

Vast majority of Americans have no idea what is about to happen to us and our allies.


12 posted on 01/19/2013 4:00:41 PM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: Zhang Fei
The only way I could see them starting a war on purpose with Japan over the Senkaku Islands (as opposed to things spiraling out of control) would be if they fear a coming economic crash, or a strong depression. The CCP's life would likely be short if that happened. So they might try to pull an Argentina and start a war against a long-resented country to try and divert attention away from a collapsing economy.
13 posted on 01/19/2013 4:02:55 PM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

China will soon be older than the US - it’s now or never. China has to act now, or they never will be able to.

As for Chinese infiltration in America - with who? They aren’t going to be able to afford that ‘river of blood’.


14 posted on 01/19/2013 4:04:42 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: BenLurkin
That is definitely a Forest Gump moment.

He'll do anything except deal with foreign policy.

This is a president who neglects going to foreign affairs meetings.

He'll just read notes from his iPhone, I guess.

On the golf course...

15 posted on 01/19/2013 4:14:05 PM PST by hummingbird
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To: Zhang Fei

Getting the people whipped up and focused on destroying an external enemy may be the way the Chinese political system can continue as it is for a while longer. Now that so many Chinese can afford to eat, etc., they are beginning to notice things. Like, for instance, the fact they are voiceless serfs in their own country.


16 posted on 01/19/2013 4:15:11 PM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: Zhang Fei
"Will the Chinese will start anything, given that, if news reports are anything to go by, the top leadership is corrupt to the tune of hundreds of millions each"

What a bunch of pikers - "hundreds of millions".

It isn't real money until you get to billions, trillions and gazillions.

17 posted on 01/19/2013 4:19:43 PM PST by hummingbird
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To: omega4179
"saved to my \obama\gay folder."

HA!

We respect the office, just not the current office holder.

See how I worked "Holder" in there...

No charge.

18 posted on 01/19/2013 4:22:59 PM PST by hummingbird
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To: JerseyanExile
The only way I could see them starting a war on purpose with Japan over the Senkaku Islands (as opposed to things spiraling out of control) would be if they fear a coming economic crash, or a strong depression. The CCP's life would likely be short if that happened. So they might try to pull an Argentina and start a war against a long-resented country to try and divert attention away from a collapsing economy.

I don't think they're that stupid. Argentina was banking on a cheap victory against a Britain that was shedding overseas possessions as fast as it could, because of the expense involved in defending them, and the Falklands were located almost 10,000 miles away from the British Isles. The Senkakus are 100 miles away from the Yaeyama Islands to the south, and 200 miles from the nearest Ryukyus to the northeast, and therefore defensible using the entire might of the Japanese SDF.

A cheap victory is key, if the Chinese are looking for a prestige boost in midst of a depression, because an expensive conflict simply makes things worse. Hitler's land grabs worked because he got tons of free stuff, productive land and tax revenues from the conquered peoples, whereas a Senkaku land grab gets China nothing except the right to drill which it can't really exercise while its attempts to do so are being shelled by Japanese vessels and aircraft. And while the war is ongoing, China loses some or all access to its biggest markets in Europe, the US and Asia, which would exacerbate any downturn.

The leadership has territorial ambitions, but it's not stupid. It will fight this war only when it's sure it can win, not because it needs to, but for the same reasons that the Axis powers started WWII - the glory of empire.

19 posted on 01/19/2013 4:36:04 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Vince Ferrer
Obama has no interest in contesting Chinese hegemony in the Pacific. No matter. The Japanese will handle this themselves. In China, as with many other corrupt autocracies, talk is cheap.
20 posted on 01/19/2013 4:47:30 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Trod Upon
Getting the people whipped up and focused on destroying an external enemy may be the way the Chinese political system can continue as it is for a while longer. Now that so many Chinese can afford to eat, etc., they are beginning to notice things. Like, for instance, the fact they are voiceless serfs in their own country.

China is not a lot different from Singapore in terms of its political system. And I have yet to hear about Singaporeans getting frisky with their government. China's low level of development means the economy has a long way to go before growth ends. I don't think that will be a factor for a while yet. A lot of this rhetoric is probably a way to keep the irredentist Chinese masses pacified.

John Chinaman is extremely nationalistic and anti-American. The anti-Americanism of the average Chinese isn't some kind of yellow peril myth conjured up out of thin air. Jackie Chan is just the tip of the iceberg - the guy wasn't even born in China, and he's a big time warmonger. The stories about Chinese journalists on assignment stateside with State Department minders applauding as they saw 9/11 unfold on big screen TV's are no myth. I encountered similar animosity towards the West (during which I had the opportunity to practice my Berlitz-acquired Cantonese and Mandarin) while seeing the sights in China with a tour group. If they had their druthers, Chinese troops would be burning Western capitals to the ground and laying down the law.

21 posted on 01/19/2013 4:53:16 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Will they jeopardize that for a bunch of rocks?

If they need to distract the Chinese people from what is going on in China, then yes, they will do it in a heartbeat. Just like almost every other leader in the world.

22 posted on 01/19/2013 4:53:24 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: hummingbird

One show only or are ya gonna be here all week?!


23 posted on 01/19/2013 4:58:53 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: Vince Ferrer
If they need to distract the Chinese people from what is going on in China, then yes, they will do it in a heartbeat. Just like almost every other leader in the world.

I don't see any big problems happening in the near future. The government is doing most of the right things in regard to infrastructure and encouraging both domestic and foreign investment. The problem with most Third World governments is that they encourage monopolies and sends forth armies of bribe-seeking bureaucrats to make the lives of business owners miserable. The Chinese government appears not to do so, and does not interfere with companies sprouting up like weeds all over the place. This is why the economy is booming and will continue to boom for decades (with occasional interruptions due to the business cycle) - a relative lack of government intervention, although a lot of palm-greasing over permits and taxes does take place.

24 posted on 01/19/2013 5:05:15 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Andrei Bulba

It is blantantly obvious to me that China is preparing for war against the U.S.A. or a war with an ally, therefore U.S.A. An example of this is their carrier killer missiles. Only 1 or 2 other countries have an aircraft carrier, but the recipient is obvious who it was made for. I am sure they have at least 100 more weapon programs designed to counter the U.S.A.


25 posted on 01/19/2013 5:17:50 PM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: nickcarraway

I hope Japan has allies other than the obamanation.


26 posted on 01/19/2013 6:03:35 PM PST by clearcarbon
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks nickcarraway.
In 20th century, Japan has captured certain territories belonging to China. War has been fought between China and Japan during 1894-95 and 1937-45.
Don't worry about this -- Zero's staff has prepared more than 150 different statements regarding surrender, and/or abandonment of an ally.


27 posted on 01/19/2013 7:16:17 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: nickcarraway; SunkenCiv

Chinese folks are reminded that China extends to every country of residence for their race (not only Taiwan). They’re also reminded, when presented with history reviews of past colonizations by foreigners, of the destination of the Yellow River (the world). Meanwhile, we in the West reside behind a curtain of information gatekeeping by administered by global interests.


28 posted on 01/19/2013 7:31:39 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: nickcarraway

Caterpillar Punked By Chinese Fraud, To Write Off Half Of Q4 Earnings
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2979832/posts


29 posted on 01/19/2013 7:32:23 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

We in the USA better be ready for War as well. We will be drawn into what ever starts and I fear we will be hit by an “electronic Pearl Harbor” —we need to start thinking of becoming self sustaining —a draft will be imposed, strict laws, camps, rationing, and an all out war effort. I hear the coming hoofbeats of war—2014 or 15 is my closest bet. It could be at any point-—Iran, North Korea, Africa, China, Pakistan—or what ever. It will be like a thief in the night...


30 posted on 01/19/2013 7:48:37 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: nickcarraway

All I wanted to know about Chinese military potential I learnt from their cocky attacks on Soviets and Vietnamese. On both occasions a tiny group of Russian border agents or armed Vietnamese civilians slaughtered countless Chinese mechanised troops without breaking a sweat. For centuries China is famous for numerous “formidable” military only capable for inter-clan feuds and population control. And useless to counter any external threat or wage agressive war. It is simply not about Chinese national character.
If not for American and Russian blood they could be a japanese colony.


31 posted on 01/19/2013 9:24:00 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: familyop

No, meanwhile, they in China reside behind a state-run propaganda mill.


32 posted on 01/19/2013 9:30:38 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: cunning_fish

A lot can happen in 40 years. Looking at lackluster Chinese performance against Vietnam in the 1970s, and using that to determine the capabilities of the modern Chinese armed forces, strikes me as rather optimistic, especially considering the turmoil that the Chinese military and officer corps went through during the Cultural Revolution.


33 posted on 01/19/2013 10:17:42 PM PST by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile

What has really changed? A few stolen technology and better funding? It is not that wins wars. At best, China may follow Nazy Germany and Japan’s way to be crushed by the rest of the world.


34 posted on 01/20/2013 12:22:01 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

“We will be drawn into what ever starts “

Agreed.


35 posted on 01/20/2013 3:37:42 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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Well everyone seems to be optimistic I can only find optimism in the possibility that China won’t want to piss off it’s biggest customer.

But that is where my optimism ends.

It’s all fun and games until somebody lobs a nuke.


36 posted on 01/20/2013 3:50:26 AM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Nik Naym
It’s all fun and games until somebody lobs a nuke.

Rhetoric aside, I don't think anybody's going to initiate a nuclear war. The whole point of fighting a war is to get stuff. War is expensive. Getting stuff to cover expenses is part of the rationale for war. Destroying that stuff in advance with nukes is so off-the-wall it's not even wrong.

37 posted on 01/20/2013 12:31:15 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Bump.


38 posted on 01/20/2013 12:35:34 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: SunkenCiv
"No, meanwhile, they in China reside behind a state-run propaganda mill."

Yes. Also being slaves, that's their side of the information curtain.


39 posted on 01/20/2013 2:58:38 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Zhang Fei
The whole point of fighting a war is to get stuff.

Often, but far from always. Sometimes it's over ideology, who's got the biggest.. well you know, all sorts of things. WW-I was only marginally about getting territory, and the territory had already been gotten by the Austria-Hugarian Empire. It was more about the "big.. " factor. It was a damn bloody war that wrecked the economies of most of the participants, and the political systems of others.b

Similarly the US Civil war was more about ideology than getting stuff.

40 posted on 01/20/2013 8:38:47 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Zhang Fei
I don't think anybody's going to initiate a nuclear war.

Desperate people, who are losing, do desperate things. And they would be doing it to preserve themselves and their stuff, not to destroy it.

Although the Iranians,or even some faction of the Pakistanis, might use nukes at the outset, out of Mussleman religious zealotry.

41 posted on 01/20/2013 8:41:53 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
Our d fearlessly ineligible POTUS will need a war to close out his term and deflect attention away from the Depression that is incurable by his methods.

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

42 posted on 01/20/2013 8:58:02 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Say, what the hell happened to Reggie Love? Who's in the playroom with Barry now?)
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To: El Gato
Often, but far from always. Sometimes it's over ideology, who's got the biggest.. well you know, all sorts of things. WW-I was only marginally about getting territory, and the territory had already been gotten by the Austria-Hugarian Empire. It was more about the "big.. " factor. It was a damn bloody war that wrecked the economies of most of the participants, and the political systems of others.b Similarly the US Civil war was more about ideology than getting stuff.

The Civil War was fought over territory. If the Confederacy had abolished slavery and decided to secede anyway, would Lincoln have allowed them to leave and ended the war?

43 posted on 01/20/2013 9:45:27 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: El Gato
Desperate people, who are losing, do desperate things. And they would be doing it to preserve themselves and their stuff, not to destroy it. Although the Iranians,or even some faction of the Pakistanis, might use nukes at the outset, out of Mussleman religious zealotry.

That only works against a non-nuclear opponent. According to Muhammad, any Muslim who dies trying to kill the infidel goes to paradise, along with 72 of his favorite friends and relatives. How many Muslims have taken that literally? Tens of thousands out of 1 b people - literally 1 out of 10K Muslims. Ultimately, these people embrace the forms and practices of Islam, but don't really believe. Even hardcore jihadists like bin Laden don't really love death as we love life - they're men of little faith who claim to do so in order to egg on their underlings to greater efforts so the leadership can use them to achieve its goals. And still the jihadists carrying out suicide operations need to fortify themselves with hard drugs to follow through with their operations.

44 posted on 01/20/2013 9:53:59 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
And still the jihadists carrying out suicide operations need to fortify themselves with hard drugs to follow through with their operations.

But they do carry them out. If one alternative is a long drop on a short rope, many things are possible as the other alternative. The Iranian leadership may feel they are sufficiently deeply buried to survive a counterstrike. The Soviet leadership at one point thought they were, and they may have been correct.

45 posted on 01/21/2013 9:16:13 AM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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