Skip to comments.The Hitler gun control lie
Posted on 01/19/2013 4:14:27 PM PST by Army Air Corps
This week, people were shocked when the Drudge Report posted a giant picture of Hitler over a headline speculating that the White House will proceed with executive orders to limit access to firearms. The proposed orders are exceedingly tame, but Drudges reaction is actually a common conservative response to any invocation of gun control.
The NRA, Fox News, Fox News (again), Alex Jones, email chains, Joe the Plumber Wurzelbacher, Gun Owners of America, etc., all agree that gun control was critical to Hitlers rise to power. Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (Americas most aggressive defender of firearms ownership) is built almost exclusively around this notion, popularizing posters of Hitler giving the Nazi salute next to the text: All in favor of gun control raise your right hand.
In his 1994 book, NRA head Wayne LaPierre dwelled on the Hitler meme at length, writing: In Germany, Jewish extermination began with the Nazi Weapon Law of 1938, signed by Adolf Hitler.
And it makes a certain amount of intuitive sense: If youre going to impose a brutal authoritarian regime on your populace, better to disarm them first so they cant fight back.
Unfortunately for LaPierre et al., the notion that Hitler confiscated everyones guns is mostly bogus. And the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesnt make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.
(Excerpt) Read more at salon.com ...
Please change the source title. The artilce is from Salon.com and not Politico - I goofed when I made the post.
“Gun Controls” Nazi Connection
Startling evidence suggests that the Gun Control Act of 1968
was lifted, almost in its entirety, from Nazi legislation.
Correction: Salon vice Politico.
What kind of murder-minded totalitarian could make that statement with a straight face? Oh, a University of Chicago law professor.
...Hitler also had a lying media who distorted the truth to support his regime...
the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesnt make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.
Well, I thought about it but it still makes sense to me.
It might not have stopped the Holocaust but it sure would
have made the price higher and it sure would have saved
The left has a problem here. Sen. Thomas Dodd gave us the Gun Control Act of 1968 in the hysterical “do something” aftermath of the assainations of MLK and RFK. But he didn’t formulate the law, he just had it translated from German. The Nazi’s had already written it for him.
That is an interesting question in the context of 0bama policies.
Obama's "community organizing" left Chicago neighborhoods in ruins.
Grim proving ground for Obama's housing policy
"About 99 of the units are vacant, many rendered uninhabitable by unfixed problems, such as collapsed roofs and fire damage. Mice scamper through the halls. Battered mailboxes hang open. Sewage backs up into kitchen sinks. In 2006, federal inspectors graded the condition of the complex an 11 on a 100-point scale - a score so bad the buildings now face demolition."
And they call us "tone deaf."
Does Alex pronounce his last name "Vald" with the hard v?
Notice how the author completely glosses over the fact that those who were targetd for execution were the folks who were barred from having firearms.
This person should educate himself about the Warsaw ghetto uprising.
That would depend a lot on target selection. Running out in the street to face off with a squad of soldiers with your bolt action rifle wouldn't work out too well. But that's not the only thing you can do with a bolt action rifle.
Terrific insight from a man who suffered much. I have shared this quote often over the years.
Uh.....first they had to disarm them before they could force them into the horrendous ghettoes. Get it now?
Both sites are moron controlled, Obozo has his foot in the door, sort of like all we want is to put a warning label on cigarettes.
“the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesnt make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.”
Well, I thought about it, too, and the Warsaw uprising would have been strengthened with more arms. Every military engagement in history that ended because one of the combatants ran low on ammunition or had too few working arms is evidence of the nonsense of the above statement. Indeed, more or better arms strengthens superiority of one force against another—it is possibly the first and most important rule of conflict.
Homosexuals - "All we're asking for is tolerance. Just tolerance. Is that too much to ask? "
If the author’s argument is correct, then why did the Allied forces ask their defeated German and Japanese foes to surrender their arms? Why not just give them even more guns?
The logic is invisible here.
That guy was so busy building strawman arguments, it's a wonder the price of hay didn't skyrocket.
In his/her writing, Jews armed with guns had no chance against Hilter and his war machine. Because most people are unwilling to die, so they prefer to be herded onto the train.
So American ragtag band had no chance against the Brits either. Right, Alex?
He makes that sound totally irrelevant. He also makes it sound like being disarmed before the really evil people take power makes the fact of being disarmed irrelevant to being helplessly slaughtered.
Apparently it's possible to attain almost any scholastic degree without even a small child's understanding of cause and effect. All phenomena are entirely isolated events. You may have knocked that glass over but that has nothing to do with the water on the floor.
So, according to the author, more guns would not have protected the civilian victims of Adolf’s rage. Well, then why should the author care if US citizens have guns. Those guns are of no benefit, right?
The logic is typical liberal—very shallow and melts under the slightest examination.
“Bartov added that this misreading of history is not only intellectually dishonest, but also dangerous. I happen to have been a combat soldier and officer in the Israeli Defense Forces and I know what these assault rifles can do, he said in an email.”
So this guy compares fully automatic weapons he saw/used as a combat soldier in Israel to semi-automatic rifles here in America? Talk about intellectually dishonest and dangerous, this guy takes the cake.
I think you're axing too much of a Chi-Town Univeristy professor. Maybe if you slipped him an envelope with the answer in it ... and a stack of cash.
And in the US, if the liberals have their way, the extermination of conservatives will begin the same way! Thing is, I think that enough of us remember history to make that undertaking a much more difficult task for our national socialists than it was for Hitler's goons back in '38.
OK, Professor Straw Man.
If gun control doesnt cause genocide, then neither do guns kill people
(murdering lunatics kill people.) So gun control is pointless.
Planning crappy cities and coralling pellet into closed-off areas with no travel privileges isn’t the same thing. That’s like calling proposed border fences Berlin walls. Still, ghettoization is kinda like urban planning; the way envirowackos do it, anyway. They want us to live like rats in a maze in giant low-cost housing, while they speed along autobahns and enmity the uncorrupted view of empty countryside.
Hitler played Races against each other. Stalin and Mao played classes against each other. 0bama does both. A larger “target” audience that is best not armed.
It doesn’t mean anything to you that in a free country, without the use of force of arms and walls, 0bama was able to reduce a Chicago neighborhood to conditions that literally rival the appalling degradation and poverty of the Warsaw ghetto?
Well, the government's "war on poverty" (welfare)hasn't really reduced poverty, so.......
Somehow, I don't think liberals would like to hear that argument; also, the author's claim is just a strawman argument anyway, but it's always fun to fight fire with fire.
Yes, my favorite part of The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich was the section titled “The Warsaw Ghetto Is No More.” Jews and others were not the docile cattle we’ve made them out to be. There were also uprisings in Treblinka and Sobibor, and don’t forget the Bielski brothers.
Not to say more arms could’ve stopped the holocaust altogether. It certainly would’ve made it harder, and made Germany easier to beat.
It means something to me, of course, though I wouldn’t say Obama is responsible persay. The havoc wreaked by urban planning and the welfare, environmental, and other leftist movements is bad enough to remind me of the Warsaw ghetto, despite the author’s argument. That’s why we call the inner city ghettos.
Still, you can’t go all the way and say it’s as bad. Residents of our ghettos are legally free to leave.
One note from the law is this “The law restricted ownership of firearms to ...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit.”
Question is who determined the “trustworthiness” of the applicant. Guess that would be some Nazi party hack who only approved the applications of other Nazi party hacks. Kinda like Democrats.
Kinda puts the law into a perspective for me.
You had to know if you lived long enough, you see the democrats try to rehabilitate Hitler’s image...
Says the left: “Poor Hitler, he was just misunderstood...why no, we aren’t copyin hid exact policies and behavior....”
Actually it sounds to me like an argument for reducing restrictions on private weapons ownership, and ensuring that a large percentage of the civilian population is armed and trained in resistance tactics.
That and more solid intelligence about what the government planned, which suggests requiring more citizen access to government information and a more unbiased media, may well have changed the course of history in Europe.
The really poor aspect if the argument is that no one, him included probably, wants Naziesque policing (if we don’t have it already) or public works (when not made in the interest of football). Okay, maybe the highways. But have you eve seen models for future cities of the Thousand Year Reich? They make Egyptians appear modest in comparison.
There’s a reason when we complain about cops we refer to “gestapo tactics” and “jackbooted thugs.” What the author should’ve asked was should we drop compulsory education, animal rights, or something else both Hitler and most Americans believe in, just because they existed in Nazi Germany. He’s a bad writer is what I’m saying.
Yes. Agenda 21
You obviously didn't read the article then.
“Alex Seitz-Wald”. I’ll add his name to the list.
More meme-building by the Partisan Media Shills.
Thanks Army Air Corps.
“You obviously didn’t read the article the”
What article? The one this thread is about doesn’t touch upon that topic, except to vaguely reference urban planning.
The article I linked to in post #10 which addressed urban planning and 0bama’s role in it.