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The Hitler gun control lie
Salon.com ^ | 11 January 2013 | Alex Seitz-Wald

Posted on 01/19/2013 4:14:27 PM PST by Army Air Corps

This week, people were shocked when the Drudge Report posted a giant picture of Hitler over a headline speculating that the White House will proceed with executive orders to limit access to firearms. The proposed orders are exceedingly tame, but Drudge’s reaction is actually a common conservative response to any invocation of gun control.

The NRA, Fox News, Fox News (again), Alex Jones, email chains, Joe “the Plumber” Wurzelbacher, Gun Owners of America, etc., all agree that gun control was critical to Hitler’s rise to power. Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership (“America’s most aggressive defender of firearms ownership”) is built almost exclusively around this notion, popularizing posters of Hitler giving the Nazi salute next to the text: “All in favor of ‘gun control’ raise your right hand.”

In his 1994 book, NRA head Wayne LaPierre dwelled on the Hitler meme at length, writing: “In Germany, Jewish extermination began with the Nazi Weapon Law of 1938, signed by Adolf Hitler.”

And it makes a certain amount of intuitive sense: If you’re going to impose a brutal authoritarian regime on your populace, better to disarm them first so they can’t fight back.

Unfortunately for LaPierre et al., the notion that Hitler confiscated everyone’s guns is mostly bogus. And the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesn’t make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.

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It seems that we have struck a nerve among the lefties. I know this article is old, but I didn't find it previously posted (I tried a search by title). I post this for an example of the sort of arguments that the Left shall attempt to use against us in conversation. I know a hard left individual who has recently been trumpeting this article as if it provides for him a complete refutation of any claims that Hitler was a gungrabber.
1 posted on 01/19/2013 4:14:33 PM PST by Army Air Corps
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To: admin

Please change the source title. The artilce is from Salon.com and not Politico - I goofed when I made the post.


2 posted on 01/19/2013 4:20:22 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Army Air Corps
The Politico is lying again. The 1968 GCA was modeled after the 1938 Nazi Weapons Control Act. It Sen. Thomas Dodd (D-CT) was heavily involved in writing the 1968 GCA and he used HIS copy of the 1938 Act as his source document.

Go here: http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/GCA_68.htm

3 posted on 01/19/2013 4:22:28 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Army Air Corps

“Gun Control’s” Nazi Connection
Startling evidence suggests that the Gun Control Act of 1968
was lifted, almost in its entirety, from Nazi legislation.
http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/GCA_68.htm


4 posted on 01/19/2013 4:22:49 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: MasterGunner01

Correction: Salon vice Politico.


5 posted on 01/19/2013 4:25:36 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Army Air Corps
The law did prohibit Jews and other persecuted classes from owning guns, but this should not be an indictment of gun control in general. Does the fact that Nazis forced Jews into horrendous ghettos indict urban planning?

What kind of murder-minded totalitarian could make that statement with a straight face? Oh, a University of Chicago law professor.

6 posted on 01/19/2013 4:26:50 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Army Air Corps

...Hitler also had a lying media who distorted the truth to support his regime...


7 posted on 01/19/2013 4:28:15 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Army Air Corps

the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesn’t make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.

Well, I thought about it but it still makes sense to me.
It might not have stopped the Holocaust but it sure would
have made the price higher and it sure would have saved
Jewish lives.


8 posted on 01/19/2013 4:29:35 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Army Air Corps

The left has a problem here. Sen. Thomas Dodd gave us the Gun Control Act of 1968 in the hysterical “do something” aftermath of the assainations of MLK and RFK. But he didn’t formulate the law, he just had it translated from German. The Nazi’s had already written it for him.


9 posted on 01/19/2013 4:31:58 PM PST by 230FMJ (...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
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Does the fact that Nazis forced Jews into horrendous ghettos indict urban planning?

That is an interesting question in the context of 0bama policies.

Obama's "community organizing" left Chicago neighborhoods in ruins.

Grim proving ground for Obama's housing policy

"About 99 of the units are vacant, many rendered uninhabitable by unfixed problems, such as collapsed roofs and fire damage. Mice scamper through the halls. Battered mailboxes hang open. Sewage backs up into kitchen sinks. In 2006, federal inspectors graded the condition of the complex an 11 on a 100-point scale - a score so bad the buildings now face demolition."


10 posted on 01/19/2013 4:32:16 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Army Air Corps
Sure just like Romney making up lies about Mali oh wait that was true. The left will twist and turn everything to the side they want. I am afraid of Obama and his regime I really think he wants to kill everyone who does not agree with him just like his friend Bill Ayers did. I am serious
11 posted on 01/19/2013 4:35:49 PM PST by funfan
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To: TigersEye

Nice catch!


12 posted on 01/19/2013 4:36:18 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: TigersEye
Does the fact that Nazis forced Jews into horrendous ghettos indict urban planning?

And they call us "tone deaf."

13 posted on 01/19/2013 4:36:58 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: Army Air Corps
Authored by Alex Seitz-Wald........

Does Alex pronounce his last name "Vald" with the hard v?

Just wondering....

14 posted on 01/19/2013 4:37:43 PM PST by wolf24
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To: TigersEye

Notice how the author completely glosses over the fact that those who were targetd for execution were the folks who were barred from having firearms.


15 posted on 01/19/2013 4:39:25 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Army Air Corps
And the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesn’t make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.

This person should educate himself about the Warsaw ghetto uprising.

16 posted on 01/19/2013 4:40:53 PM PST by wolf24
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To: Army Air Corps
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn
17 posted on 01/19/2013 4:44:16 PM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: tet68
the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesn’t make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.

That would depend a lot on target selection. Running out in the street to face off with a squad of soldiers with your bolt action rifle wouldn't work out too well. But that's not the only thing you can do with a bolt action rifle.

18 posted on 01/19/2013 4:47:05 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Kozak

Terrific insight from a man who suffered much. I have shared this quote often over the years.


19 posted on 01/19/2013 4:47:16 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: TigersEye
Does the fact that Nazis forced Jews into horrendous ghettos indict urban planning?

Uh.....first they had to disarm them before they could force them into the horrendous ghettoes. Get it now?

20 posted on 01/19/2013 4:48:35 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Army Air Corps
"And the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesn’t make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute."

Maybe they would not have stopped it, but they would certainly have made it much more difficult for the Nazis to exterminate them - and they would have died bravely instead of being mowed down like grass.



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21 posted on 01/19/2013 4:49:53 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: MasterGunner01

Both sites are moron controlled, Obozo has his foot in the door, sort of like all we want is to put a warning label on cigarettes.


22 posted on 01/19/2013 4:50:02 PM PST by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: tet68

“the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesn’t make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.”

Well, I thought about it, too, and the Warsaw uprising would have been strengthened with more arms. Every military engagement in history that ended because one of the combatants ran low on ammunition or had too few working arms is evidence of the nonsense of the above statement. Indeed, more or better arms strengthens superiority of one force against another—it is possibly the first and most important rule of conflict.


23 posted on 01/19/2013 4:51:49 PM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: boomop1
Both sites are moron controlled, Obozo has his foot in the door, sort of like all we want is to put a warning label on cigarettes.

Homosexuals - "All we're asking for is tolerance. Just tolerance. Is that too much to ask? "

24 posted on 01/19/2013 4:54:02 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Army Air Corps

If the author’s argument is correct, then why did the Allied forces ask their defeated German and Japanese foes to surrender their arms? Why not just give them even more guns?
The logic is invisible here.


25 posted on 01/19/2013 4:54:59 PM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: Army Air Corps
Should we eliminate all police officers because the Nazis used police officers to oppress and kill the Jews? What about public works — Hitler loved public works projects? Of course not. These are merely implements that can be used for good or ill, much as gun advocates like to argue about guns themselves. If guns don’t kill people, then neither does gun control cause genocide (genocidal regimes cause genocide).

That guy was so busy building strawman arguments, it's a wonder the price of hay didn't skyrocket.

In his/her writing, Jews armed with guns had no chance against Hilter and his war machine. Because most people are unwilling to die, so they prefer to be herded onto the train.

So American ragtag band had no chance against the Brits either. Right, Alex?

26 posted on 01/19/2013 4:56:30 PM PST by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Army Air Corps
Notice how the author completely glosses over the fact that those who were targetd for execution were the folks who were barred from having firearms.

He makes that sound totally irrelevant. He also makes it sound like being disarmed before the really evil people take power makes the fact of being disarmed irrelevant to being helplessly slaughtered.

Apparently it's possible to attain almost any scholastic degree without even a small child's understanding of cause and effect. All phenomena are entirely isolated events. You may have knocked that glass over but that has nothing to do with the water on the floor.

27 posted on 01/19/2013 4:56:53 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: iacovatx

So, according to the author, more guns would not have protected the civilian victims of Adolf’s rage. Well, then why should the author care if US citizens have guns. Those guns are of no benefit, right?
The logic is typical liberal—very shallow and melts under the slightest examination.


28 posted on 01/19/2013 4:58:01 PM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: Army Air Corps

“Bartov added that this misreading of history is not only intellectually dishonest, but also dangerous. “I happen to have been a combat soldier and officer in the Israeli Defense Forces and I know what these assault rifles can do,” he said in an email.”

So this guy compares fully automatic weapons he saw/used as a combat soldier in Israel to semi-automatic rifles here in America? Talk about intellectually dishonest and dangerous, this guy takes the cake.


29 posted on 01/19/2013 4:58:45 PM PST by Panama714
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To: concerned about politics
Uh.....first they had to disarm them before they could force them into the horrendous ghettoes. Get it now?

I think you're axing too much of a Chi-Town Univeristy professor. Maybe if you slipped him an envelope with the answer in it ... and a stack of cash.

30 posted on 01/19/2013 5:00:54 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Army Air Corps
“In Germany, Jewish extermination began with the Nazi Weapon Law of 1938, signed by Adolf Hitler.”

And in the US, if the liberals have their way, the extermination of conservatives will begin the same way! Thing is, I think that enough of us remember history to make that undertaking a much more difficult task for our national socialists than it was for Hitler's goons back in '38.

31 posted on 01/19/2013 5:02:06 PM PST by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: Army Air Corps
Surprised havent seen this yet...

32 posted on 01/19/2013 5:06:50 PM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: Army Air Corps
If guns don’t kill people, then neither does gun control cause genocide (genocidal regimes cause genocide).

OK, Professor Straw Man.

If gun control doesn’t cause genocide, then neither do guns kill people
(murdering lunatics kill people.) So gun control is pointless.

33 posted on 01/19/2013 5:15:43 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: TigersEye

Planning crappy cities and coralling pellet into closed-off areas with no travel privileges isn’t the same thing. That’s like calling proposed border fences Berlin walls. Still, ghettoization is kinda like urban planning; the way envirowackos do it, anyway. They want us to live like rats in a maze in giant low-cost housing, while they speed along autobahns and enmity the uncorrupted view of empty countryside.


34 posted on 01/19/2013 5:17:09 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: concerned about politics

Hitler played Races against each other. Stalin and Mao played classes against each other. 0bama does both. A larger “target” audience that is best not armed.


35 posted on 01/19/2013 5:19:23 PM PST by MtnClimber (I did not vote for 0bama, someone else did that!)
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To: Tublecane

It doesn’t mean anything to you that in a free country, without the use of force of arms and walls, 0bama was able to reduce a Chicago neighborhood to conditions that literally rival the appalling degradation and poverty of the Warsaw ghetto?


36 posted on 01/19/2013 5:20:11 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Army Air Corps
And the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesn’t make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute.

Well, the government's "war on poverty" (welfare)hasn't really reduced poverty, so.......

Somehow, I don't think liberals would like to hear that argument; also, the author's claim is just a strawman argument anyway, but it's always fun to fight fire with fire.

37 posted on 01/19/2013 5:23:43 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: wolf24

Yes, my favorite part of The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich was the section titled “The Warsaw Ghetto Is No More.” Jews and others were not the docile cattle we’ve made them out to be. There were also uprisings in Treblinka and Sobibor, and don’t forget the Bielski brothers.

Not to say more arms could’ve stopped the holocaust altogether. It certainly would’ve made it harder, and made Germany easier to beat.


38 posted on 01/19/2013 5:24:27 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: TigersEye

It means something to me, of course, though I wouldn’t say Obama is responsible persay. The havoc wreaked by urban planning and the welfare, environmental, and other leftist movements is bad enough to remind me of the Warsaw ghetto, despite the author’s argument. That’s why we call the inner city ghettos.

Still, you can’t go all the way and say it’s as bad. Residents of our ghettos are legally free to leave.


39 posted on 01/19/2013 5:33:03 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Army Air Corps

One note from the law is this “The law restricted ownership of firearms to ...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit.”

Question is who determined the “trustworthiness” of the applicant. Guess that would be some Nazi party hack who only approved the applications of other Nazi party hacks. Kinda like Democrats.

Kinda puts the law into a perspective for me.


40 posted on 01/19/2013 5:36:21 PM PST by unixman9627
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To: Army Air Corps

You had to know if you lived long enough, you see the democrats try to rehabilitate Hitler’s image...

Says the left: “Poor Hitler, he was just misunderstood...why no, we aren’t copyin hid exact policies and behavior....”


41 posted on 01/19/2013 5:36:50 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Army Air Corps
"the ancillary claim that Jews could have stopped the Holocaust with more guns doesn’t make any sense at all if you think about it for more than a minute."

Actually it sounds to me like an argument for reducing restrictions on private weapons ownership, and ensuring that a large percentage of the civilian population is armed and trained in resistance tactics.

That and more solid intelligence about what the government planned, which suggests requiring more citizen access to government information and a more unbiased media, may well have changed the course of history in Europe.

42 posted on 01/19/2013 5:44:37 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: Sir Napsalot

The really poor aspect if the argument is that no one, him included probably, wants Naziesque policing (if we don’t have it already) or public works (when not made in the interest of football). Okay, maybe the highways. But have you eve seen models for future cities of the Thousand Year Reich? They make Egyptians appear modest in comparison.

There’s a reason when we complain about cops we refer to “gestapo tactics” and “jackbooted thugs.” What the author should’ve asked was should we drop compulsory education, animal rights, or something else both Hitler and most Americans believe in, just because they existed in Nazi Germany. He’s a bad writer is what I’m saying.


43 posted on 01/19/2013 5:46:37 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: TigersEye
Does the fact that Nazis forced Jews into horrendous ghettos indict urban planning?

Yes. Agenda 21

44 posted on 01/19/2013 5:49:54 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Tublecane
It means something to me, of course, though I wouldn’t say Obama is responsible persay.

You obviously didn't read the article then.

45 posted on 01/19/2013 5:51:57 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: MileHi

Exactly!


46 posted on 01/19/2013 5:52:58 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Army Air Corps

“Alex Seitz-Wald”. I’ll add his name to the list.


47 posted on 01/19/2013 6:02:03 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

More meme-building by the Partisan Media Shills.

Thanks Army Air Corps.


48 posted on 01/19/2013 6:03:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: TigersEye

“You obviously didn’t read the article the”

What article? The one this thread is about doesn’t touch upon that topic, except to vaguely reference urban planning.


49 posted on 01/19/2013 6:12:19 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

The article I linked to in post #10 which addressed urban planning and 0bama’s role in it.


50 posted on 01/19/2013 6:18:16 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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